Russian special military operation in Ukraine #41

look at the next Lada niva, prob with some Chinese input

ALAMO wrote:As an interesting side-by comparison.
Iranian automotive business is being introduced in Russia as well, and what is a funny observation is a fact, that Russian giants must seriously reconsider some aspects.
Iranians offer cars with the same French heritage, only PSA instead of Renault.
But the prices are extremely competitive, a quite nice sedan of P308 size with safety subsystems, A/T and multimedia is being calculated at less than 8000 euro.  
And that is only because of some dealers' profit margins they are trying to get while the market is fragile.
In the usual circumstances, it should cost less than E7k...
Production localization is solely in Iran, which is why Iran became a quite potent subcontractor for tons of car manufacture subsystems.
Russian airliners of Boeing and Airbus have started to be serviced by the Iranian companies, as they mastered the components production and sanction avoidance for decades.
There is no way both countries won't benefit from that cooperation.
Have you even checked the tourism perspectives Iran can offer?
Or Syria?
Russkie are wealthy tourists, they spent 40% more on holidays than the European average.
In total, we talk a E20 bln a year spendings.
Imagine that cash influx into Syrian economy.
Or Iranian tourism.

The Yak just doesn't have the protection that the su 25 does. It's most likely training with a real gun. Unless maybe they have a role that is a real Turkey shoot. Can a Yak trainer even carry flairs?

Backman wrote:First Erdogan. Now Vucic. The same claims and counter claims.

Serbian media deny Vučić's hospitalization. It is alleged that oppositionists could spread false information on social networks.

He has been on vine tasting tour today down south

Serbian ''nationalist'' opposition (Soros basically) seems to be too stupid to use any playbook written after 1950s so we get stuff like this

How diabolical, the lithium battery will be blown to pieces sending burning fragments all over the place that cannot be extinguished easily.

Attacked fuel depot Sevastopol
https://m.vk.com/video-123538639_456298266
https://m.vk.com/video-123538639_456298267

Arrow wrote:Attacked fuel depot Sevastopol
https://m.vk.com/video-123538639_456298266
https://m.vk.com/video-123538639_456298267

Hopefully this means a drive on Odessa. The worry is this could be an attempt to soften Russian positions as an offensive could be coming soon.

sepheronx wrote:

I'm not following your logic here.  It's a fuel depot in Sevastopol. Russia has so many of these and fuel up the Ying yang.  

True, but if one is preparing an offensive you do try to hinder your opponent's ability to move and that means you hit oil stocks.  Of course with Ukraine being the ones behind this, its probably more a looks at me thing than any offensive.  Still, Russia needs to drive Ukraine and its crazies back west and north of the Dniepr to put an end to these childish attacks because the little crack whores in Kiev and Lvov will continue trying to attack Russia and harm Russians until they are taken out of range of Russian territory.

Russians don't report their losses. So it's half reliable.

They admit attacks and losses, but not in detail.

Kiev blames Russia when their own S-300 missiles hit things on the ground after missing the targets they were supposed to be shooting down.

The Politico publication reported that from 150 to 200 people from Chechnya take part in the hostilities on the side of Ukraine , most of them are the sons and grandsons of militants who fought in the first and second Chechen wars and subsequently emigrated.

Them fighting justifies their elimination so I am all for it.



The advantage of drone in overwatch and attack roles is that they can spot fakes and also thermal covers on the real systems missiles to make them look fake...

Reportedly Iranian made Kornet copies with thermobaric load in use by the Russian army.

Yeah, because obviously Russia doesn't mark its missile tubes with red to indicate they are thermobaric too.

This is no more evidence that these missiles are Iranian than green tipped 5.45x39mm rounds prove they are Iranian made tracer rounds supplied to Russia.

It means far less systems are defending cities.

They didn't seem to be that effective in defending the cities anyway...

Roughly half of the missile tubes in your pics from Iran got no red tape. Does this mean those missiles are not from Iran?

The red indicates they are not anti armour, they are thermobaric warhead models.

Like the Kornet-EM comes in two versions, the anti armour missile with the 8.5km range and the HE equipped model with the 10km range that can also be used against aircraft and soft targets.

The red distinguishes the different warhead so it is not wasted on a tank or heavy armoured vehicle.

They are marking thermobaric variants this way, so it is much easier to distinguish.

But Russian troops are smarter than Iranian troops and don't need their missiles with thermobaric warheads to be marked at all?

Possibly Iran requested Russia to test out their equipment on the battlefield as a form of gesture toward further deals between the two countries economically.

Or as Alamo suggested it was a consignment of Iranian weapons seized from their ships and given to the Orcs and captured by the Russians to be used against the Orcs.

But the assumption that they don't use a similar red to indicate with their own missiles that they are not anti armour and therefore the red is proof that they are Iranian and not Russian made is interesting...

Check the photos of missile containers, you will spot an interesting thing.
All are marked with a combo of old Soviet nomenclature and English.

They are excellent export products and this conflict will only reinforce that.

Who is to say they are not using up stocks made for export... especially if any contracts have been suspended due to western sanctions or threats of sanctions?

Kornet is insanely cheap anyway, but if you can have it at 1/3rd of a price - one must be stupid not to benefit.

Not saying you are wrong, but would like to see the made in Iran stamp before accepting your assumption as being true.

It would be sensible to use Iranian made Russian missiles and the Russians are sensible people but that alone is not evidence of anything.

I lean towards Yak being considered for front line use??

More likely training in that configuration... if it was going into conflict it would likely carry wing pods on the free weapon pylons with EW equipment and flares and jammers.

(not sure about what the 2nd one really is)

The first looks like the sensor window they use on the upgraded Su-25SM3, which would make sense, the second looks to me like it might be an IRST port but low drag and without the sensors actually fitted.

Note I didn't like this:

All of the passengers on board were said to have been killed, and the vehicle completely burned out.

But I gave it a like because that is why Russia is fighting... they are not aiming at military targets, they are terrorising the civilian population... if Russia did that it would be called a war crime, but because Kiev are doing it they will call it self defence.

They look pretty realistic. Wonder if they have mimicking electronics fitted.

The problem is that they only make sense if you also have the real things shooting down enemy threats.

These are just targets.

BetAB bombs have always rocket boosters to increase their impact speed.

Yes, anti runway munitions.

Or for use against concrete bunkers in buildings.