Russian special military operation in Ukraine #10

Ukrainian artillery is causing a lot of damages to Russian tank, IFV formation.

The Russian have been nominally practicing combined arms warfare for decades. That is a nice idea, but if the battalions, companies, and platoons don't actually emphasize and spend their training rubles on it, you end up with what we're seeing in Ukraine: tanks advancing before infantry, tanks and IFVs bunching up like sheep, top cover technology (helicopters, drones, aircraft) not being employed , and secure communications between units not present.

Artillery killed huge numbers of tanks in WW2. Remember that each howitzer can land numerous shells onto a point simultaneously using changes in propellant amounts and angle of the barrel. So when you have a battery or more laying it down on anything…yeah.

Hole wrote:
Ukraine is still to big. But OK. Keep it as a reservation for Nazi thugs and shooting range.

Yes, but it's gangbanged in that picture from the Novorussia from the south, from the north of Belarus and we all know about EAST.

Podlodka77 wrote:

Hole wrote:
Ukraine is still to big. But OK. Keep it as a reservation for Nazi thugs and shooting range.

Yes, but it's gangbanged in that picture from the Novorussia from the south, from the north of Belarus and we all know about EAST.  

Trans Carpathia should also be cut off it and given its own independance.

RTN wrote:Ukrainian artillery is causing a lot of damages to Russian tank, IFV formation.

The Russian have been nominally practicing combined arms warfare for decades. That is a nice idea, but if the battalions, companies, and platoons don't actually emphasize and spend their training rubles on it, you end up with what we're seeing in Ukraine: tanks advancing before infantry, tanks and IFVs bunching up like sheep, top cover technology (helicopters, drones, aircraft) not being employed , and secure communications between units not present.

Artillery killed huge numbers of tanks in WW2.  Remember that each howitzer can land numerous shells onto a point simultaneously using changes in propellant amounts and angle of the barrel.  So when you have a battery or more laying it down on anything…yeah.

The Western media and propaganda have done you a lot of damage, it seems.

Hole wrote:
 Really? How could such a dumbass become CEO?

Maybe someone in Israel should tell her about Gaza and the Palestinians - oh and the Syrians -oh and the Iranians - oh and the Lebanese?

Mir wrote:

Maybe someone in Israel should tell her about Gaza and the Palestinians - oh and the Syrians -oh and the Iranians - oh and the Lebanese?

"It is another thing"

Well I agree their use of the drones is shitty. And they clearly lack in numbers. They should have had 100 Orion and 500 Forpost-R/Korsar and 1000 lancet suicide drones.

The kalashnikov KUB suicide drone seems also to be a failure. They already showed 2 that crashed and not lot of hit.

Azerbaijan did a very good job hunting AD systems with similar drones.

Arkanghelsk wrote:https://t.me/istorijaoruzija/53457

Boris Johnson and Zelensky stroll through Kiev,

The BBC writes that the defeat of Russia is one for the ages,

Boris Johnson believes himself to be a real modern Churchill, and why not? We are not in Kiev, but he is

At least these Johnsons and Von Der Leyens are more patriotic to their states then Peskov or Sobchaks

The only things Boris and Churchill have in common is they are both racist and committed crimes at home and abroad. I doubt Boris will ever appear on a banknote and Churchill definitely had better dress sense.

Arkanghelsk wrote:Zelensky doesn't care about losing some villages and towns, he's keeping us without moving for 46 days now and takes more territory

He will stage false flags and be lauded as a hero

But yes you are correct, they cannot get into Mariupol, we might take it finally in about 3 weeks

Peskov is playing a role? What role is that? Breaking the morale of the army by disclosing "huge losses"?

That's some 10d chess

What u dont realise is that zelensky only has media lies, false flags, human shields, neo Nazis and untrained civilians left. That won't win a war.

While Russia is winning the war on the ground, beating sanctions, and still has all it's military infrastructure intact, firing cruise missiles whenever it feels like it, uncovered USA funded bio labs, got foreign agents/SF trapped, and stopped a planned Ukrainian invasion into the Donbass and Crimea which has averted a mass genocide of Russian speakers. Not bad I would say.

RTN wrote:Ukrainian artillery is causing a lot of damages to Russian tank, IFV formation.

The Russian have been nominally practicing combined arms warfare for decades. That is a nice idea, but if the battalions, companies, and platoons don't actually emphasize and spend their training rubles on it, you end up with what we're seeing in Ukraine: tanks advancing before infantry, tanks and IFVs bunching up like sheep, top cover technology (helicopters, drones, aircraft) not being employed , and secure communications between units not present.

Artillery killed huge numbers of tanks in WW2.  Remember that each howitzer can land numerous shells onto a point simultaneously using changes in propellant amounts and angle of the barrel.  So when you have a battery or more laying it down on anything…yeah.

Not saying artillery is not a threat but What is a lot of damages? Thats very ambiguous. Compared to Ukrop Wehrmacht losses its a drop in the in the ocean for example. So if Russia suffered “a lot” their losses are catastrophic.

Do you have any officially confirmed or coroborated figures outside of twittershere self appointed propaganda  “experts”?, Any other sources, images or videos to account for your claim?
Apart from the few we have seen in early days in Kiev that have been regurgitated to death, dont recall any other significant losses to artillery  that would back up your claim.

Serberus wrote:

sepheronx wrote:Of course they will take Kharkov. They have it surrounded. They are waiting till there are enough forces to put the squeeze further.

If there were more troops They would have done both at same time but they didn't use a ton for this op. They are still relying on meeting up with DNR and LPR forces in the middle.

I don’t think Kharkov is fully surrounded, at least not according to any of the maps I have seen even the most enthusiastic pro Russian ones, and I don’t think Russians themselves  have ever made the claim either.
But after the Donbas front is hopefully crushed or even during, it should be the priority target imo and doesn’t matter if it’s surrounded yet anyway, it appears as you said troops are building up so I would expect an attack to either coincide or just after Donbas . Odessa I think should be left until last, after Banderistan troops are demoralised and have lost the eastern front at least, its a huge city with almost a million people, heavily fortified , mined and defended by Nazi battalions, who would undoubtedly use the civilians as they did in Mariupol or even worse considering what they did during the protests years ago.

Odessa will be taken most likely when everything else has been taken that Russia wants, at this point troops in Odessa will have most likely have been sent elsewhere to bolster another front, they will be weaker, and let's not forget Odessa has a pro Russian element to it. And it's at the mercy of Russian ships, once cut off from the north it won't last long, ok lay siege to the city, blocking everything, the civilians will uprise and hoping that normal Ukrainian troops turn on the neo Nazis. As previously stated Russia needs to plan Odessa carefully and have full assets available to make a rapid push into Transnistria and Gagauzia, if it feels like it Moldova And this needs to happen rapidly if it chooses to. But what is certain Odessa will be taken. Landlocked Ukraine is coming

d_taddei2 wrote:
What u dont realise is that zelensky only has media lies, false flags, human shields, neo Nazis and untrained civilians left. That won't win a war.

While Russia is winning the war on the ground, beating sanctions, and still has all it's military infrastructure intact, firing cruise missiles whenever it feels like it, uncovered USA funded bio labs, got foreign agents/SF trapped, and stopped a planned Ukrainian invasion into the Donbass and Crimea which has averted a mass genocide of Russian speakers. Not bad I would say.

Only retaking of the water supply for Crimea is a strategic victory that will affect the daily life of 2.5mln people. Not to forget about giant economic importance, bringing back the whole agrarian industry of fertile land. Next year we will have a Crimean rice production, to begin with.

Erk wrote:

Sujoy wrote:U.K will send Mastiff armoured vehicles to Ukraine. Russian Kornet will destroy every last one of these. This is precisely why NATO doesn't want to supply western tanks, IFVs to Ukraine because they know how they will end up.

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-uk-sending-armoured-vehicles-for-first-time-as-zelenskyy-demands-firm-response-to-railway-blast-12585798

I think it's more like NATO wants countries to send Ukraine their old gear, so they need to replace it with expensive NATO gear.
NATO is a sales force for the US military industrial complex.

That's USA plan right there, send all your old gear, then do deals with us and we will rip u off with crap equipment, second hand equipment, and equipment with tons of red tape, all at rip off prices. The funny thing is these dumbass countries have fallen for the USA sales trap.

Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

During the night, high-precision sea-based missiles destroyed the headquarters and base of Dnepr nationalist battalion in Zvonetskoe, Dnepropetrovsk Region, where foreign mercenaries had recently arrived.

High-precision air-based missiles near Starobogdanovka in Nikolaev Region and at Chuhuev military airfield destroyed launchers of the Ukrainian S-300 anti-aircraft missile systems discovered by reconnaissance.

Russian air defence means shot down 8 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles in the air near Olkhovatovka, Novaya Astrakhan, Avdeevka, Shakhterskoe, Kurakhovo, Novoselovka Vtoraya and Vyseloye.

Operational-tactical aviation hit 86 military assets of Ukraine. Among them: 2 command posts, 2 ammunition depots, 3 fuel depots, 3 multiple launch rocket systems, and 49 strong points and areas of Ukrainian military equipment concentration.

In total, 127 aircfaft and 98 helicopters, 234 anti-aircraft missile systems(S-300, Buk-M1, Osa AKM), 436 unmanned aerial vehicles, 2,052 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 232 multiple launch rocket systems, 894 field artillery and mortars, as well as 1,975 units of special military vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed during the operation.

https://t.me/istorijaoruzija/53576
Kamyanka village south of Izyum, Looks to have been hotly contested, lots of destroyed and damaged armour presumably most belonging the Wehrmacht

https://t.me/anna_news/27818
Some images from the same village

https://t.me/istorijaoruzija/53581
Wehrmacht troops leave a bit of a stain on the ground after artillery strike

ALAMO wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:
What u dont realise is that zelensky only has media lies, false flags, human shields, neo Nazis and untrained civilians left. That won't win a war.

While Russia is winning the war on the ground, beating sanctions, and still has all it's military infrastructure intact, firing cruise missiles whenever it feels like it, uncovered USA funded bio labs, got foreign agents/SF trapped, and stopped a planned Ukrainian invasion into the Donbass and Crimea which has averted a mass genocide of Russian speakers. Not bad I would say.

Only retaking of the water supply for Crimea is a strategic victory that will affect the daily life of 2.5mln people. Not to forget about giant economic importance, bringing back the whole agrarian industry of fertile land. Next year we will have a Crimean rice production, to begin with.

And if these oblasts are taken away from Ukraine: Kharkov, Donetsk, Lugansk, Odessa, Kherson, Mykolaiv, Zaporizhzhia, Dnipropetrovsk, have access to ship building, heavy industries, coal, vast agricultural industries including sunflower oil production, neon production, amongst other industries. And any link up to Transnistria and Gagauzia will bring tobacco, wine, fruit, go one step further add Moldova then even more fruit, vegetables and wine, this provide everything any new federation would need. The rest of Ukraine would be left with very little decent industry with some agricultural industries only that would mostly only cover domestic market, with a little for export. They would be living off EU and IMF life support for decades

For the russian speakerss here, do you have some russian source about data of tactical missile use like kh-15 or kh-31 ?

Kh-15 is a solid propellent 1.5 ton mach 5 missile with a nuclear warhead intended to blow a clear path through enemy defences for strategic aircraft to get past air and ground based defences... it has never been used.

Is it ? It is a very powerfull missile, a mini kinzhal flying at mach 5. IMO they should still have some in reserve for anti radar role.

It only came in one version with a nuclear warhead.

It seems like mig-29 and su-27 were totally outranged and outgunned by su-30/35 armed with r-77-1. In which case it means Russia need to hurry to replace its own su-27 and su-33. They are not good anymore in modern wars.

Which has better range and better guns? Su-27 with R-77M or Su-35 with R-27ET?

The Russian have been nominally practicing combined arms warfare for decades. That is a nice idea, but if the battalions, companies, and platoons don't actually emphasize and spend their training rubles on it, you end up with what we're seeing in Ukraine: tanks advancing before infantry, tanks and IFVs bunching up like sheep, top cover technology (helicopters, drones, aircraft) not being employed , and secure communications between units not present.

You have no idea of what they are doing or how they are fighting. Tanks and infantry most often work together, but in some situations they don't... sending IFVs to fight enemy tanks is just as stupid as sending tanks against ATGM positions. IFVs are protected from artillery so "bunching up" is meaningless... spreading them out makes them easier to ambush because you can engage and isolate them and they can't support each other.

We have seen lots of videos from the Russians showing helicopters and drones and aircraft destroying Nazis.

WTF would you know about their communications?

If their communications were not secure and not effective there would not be any left... the nazis would know exactly what they were doing and be in a much better position to ambush and fight.

Artillery killed huge numbers of tanks in WW2. Remember that each howitzer can land numerous shells onto a point simultaneously using changes in propellant amounts and angle of the barrel.

They didn't in WWII, and these days that sort of trick is really only to impress stupid westerners... if you want numerous HE rounds to land together they have Grad, Uragan, and Smerch that can do a much better job than any tube artillery system.

So when you have a battery or more laying it down on anything…yeah.

Obvious problem for the nazis is when they fire they get spotted and taken out, so they are splitting up their artillery, which is why we see videos of Havocs taking out individual 2S1s and 2S3s all over the place...

Well I agree their use of the drones is shitty. And they clearly lack in numbers. They should have had 100 Orion and 500 Forpost-R/Korsar and 1000 lancet suicide drones.

Yes, the magic drones... I have heard about them.... problem is that you operate drones in airspace with air defence systems then you just lose lots of drones... which is not useful... or do you think they will ignore drones?

The kalashnikov KUB suicide drone seems also to be a failure. They already showed 2 that crashed and not lot of hit.

Two that were shot down? Perhaps that was two Stingers they can't now use on Russian helicopters?

Azerbaijan did a very good job hunting AD systems with similar drones.

The armed forces of NK was very very limited... they were essentially naked.

That's USA plan right there, send all your old gear, then do deals with us and we will rip u off with crap equipment, second hand equipment, and equipment with tons of red tape, all at rip off prices. The funny thing is these dumbass countries have fallen for the USA sales trap.

They think they will be getting brand new stuff that is a generation ahead of the Soviet stuff they have, of course what they get will be a generation behind and wont work properly anyway.