Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20

Tsavo Lion wrote:There will be protests & riots against vaccination, as Ks, if not Ms already know that those vaccines won't be any more safe than the unproved drugs Trump pushes to treat the Covid-19.
The US military enlisted personnel, NG & police come from the same general well armed population, so it will be unenforceable & will boomerang on Gates & others who push it.
With all the latest revelations, their plot is already failing.

Thats the only hope ,that can stop this.. at least partially..that people start to protest in the millions
against vaccines..but they still control how medicines are done ,and how your food are done , and you can't stop eating food , if you are hungry you will eat genetically modified food from mcdonalds . still stopping forced vaccines will be a major victory for sure..

and it had to be made clear , the problem is not vaccines..the problem are not medicines ,neither microbiologist
,or science the problem . neither biolabs that do research on live viruses ,in their labs to understand how to counter them. if research and vaccines done right ,they can be helpful for society. The problem we face  today ,is that the nations that more influence the world with their business and influence more world economy are corrupt and selfish and controlled by a very corrupt and satanic elite.. that controls the policy of those countries.. controls its laws.  so is a problem of trust and credibility.  


The problem is that anglozionist powers are controlled by the super rich corrupt elite ,
lobbies and military industrial complex ,can't be trusted.. Those government have lied so much to their society,
and have shown a total disrespect for anglo english speaker societies. and those anglo saxon governments

heck ,even ,your dentist and those who take care of your hair ,that give you a hair cut, if they had bad
reputation ,should be avoided ,is just common sense.. when it comes to your health ,you should never take
anything if you don't trust in the outcome ,based of many reports by credible health authorities ,that you should
avoid it.. but if now it is made law ,that in order to get a job or go outside ,you need to be vaccinated  ,by the government then major nation wide protest  will be need, demanding their leaders promoting this to step down.

that said .. i don't think japanese people ,or russians, or most europeans nations ,had to be worried about vaccines ,if they trust in their governments and their vaccines are locally made ,or not given by a nation of dubious integrity. Doctors will be the ones ,that will speak , and those with biggest credential and that show
more honesty and don't depend of a government pay check ,the ones listened. Still i don't think vaccines
should be taken regardless of trust , and people own body should be allowed to deal with any natural virus
and if people having major problems to deal with any virus and too sick  , then take medicine from a doctor
they trust.  is just common sense ,to take very seriously your health and don't take anything for granted
or unless is really need.

In more news Germany intel..
is firing back at trump blaming of china labs conspiracy ...

German intel say US-fueled ‘China lab theory’ is smokescreen for Trump’s flaws in fighting Covid-19 – report

US President Donald Trump, the BND says, is trying to employ the allegations in order to “distract [attention] from his own mistakes and direct the Americans’ anger towards China.”

https://www.rt.com/news/488139-german-intel-trump-coronavirus-distraction/


By the way.. there is a new theory , going around that is growing ...
According to the last interview with a Doctor judith video ,with 40 years experience in viruses, the real
pandemic is not the virus , that trump claims escaped a chiness lab..(without any evidence to backup that.)
The virus in question today is  SARsCOv2, which is an evolution of Sars virus..that is claimed to produce
the famous covid-19 illness.

In her last video ,posted by me ,where she says the virus came from monkey not from bats,
she claims coronaviruses don't do that ,what is happening in the world..
Is that the pandemic cheat is on the vaccines against influenza , That US labs designed
,fake vaccines , that their real goal was to make SARsCov2 more lethal and more virulent that it really
is.. and that US military bio labs where working with it . So in her view.. is the combination of
[influenza]fake vaccine ,that american pharma companies promoted around the world with Sarscov2 virus ,
what creates covid-19.. that basically confuse the human body natural defenses ,how to respond to the virus ,
and so the same defenses of the body ,end killing people.. by drowning people lungs with a liquid ,
that is trying to combat the illness.  Young and healthy people , blocks better the virus and respond better
to it ,but old people that already are sick with respiratory problems are very vulnerable to this fatal combination , of a fake vaccine that the CDC was promoting world wide ,that was designed to make certain viruses more virulent and more lethal on population.. she basically says ,US was designed fake vaccines ,to fuel and make
viruses explode on people bodies , to aid viruses become more lethal and more virulent  . so what cause the pandemic is not the virus.. but the fake vaccines. designed to help virus kill more people and multiply like wildfire
on the planet..  if her testimony is proven to be correct.. this will be the most serious terrorist attack on humanity by any government sponsored organization. She blames CDC , [Centers for Disease Control and Prevention] which is an american federal agency ,as the masterminds for this pandemic in the world.. because they promoted  this vaccines world wide. I can't imagine Putin lowering his guard and accepting a vaccines from
a nation already at war with Russia.. that will be like Stalin accepting medicine from the nazis ,after they were invaded by them.. But from Putin ,nothing surprise me anymore , he incompetence and his weakness ,makes him and russia an easy prey for the west.. So you can't underestimate Putin incompetence ,He is always underestimating his enemies which he calls partners .  

What vann7 is saying is not just stupid it's dangerous, now is against vaccines...we will all be dead because of stupid people...like the idiots drinking bleach...

dino00 wrote:What vann7 is saying is not just stupid it's dangerous, now is against vaccines...we will all be dead because of stupid people...like the idiots drinking bleach...

Vann7 is stupid antivaxer as well? Oh my what a plot twist, say it isn't so...

The shaved orangutan, the uneducated jackass believes proving US debt is insolvent is the way to strike back at China, the unrepentant goober believes it can't cause a chain reaction backlash, a panic run from the Dollar that could harm the U.S. economy   :

China threatens US with disposal of American securities



China’s ongoing accusations of spreading the coronavirus and Washington’s threat to cancel part of its US debt could force Beijing to retaliate with US securities. About this writes the Chinese publication South China Morning Post. According to the newspaper, China, tired of US accusations, may sell part of the US public debt, thereby collapsing the dollar. According to reporters, Beijing is considering the option of using a "trump card up its sleeve", which at the most inopportune moment could shake the American securities market. The fact is that Washington is currently busy issuing new bonds to finance a number of programs adopted to combat coronavirus infection and its consequences, and their volume reaches 4 trillion. dollars.

There is a strong desire for countries such as China and Russia to move away from settlements in US dollars. At least in order to "disarm" the US government

- said the chief economist at Deloitte China Xu Sitao.

Note that the US public debt to China is 1.1 trillion. dollars, part of which Washington is threatening to write off as a response to China’s spread of the coronavirus. But the United States will not go for it, the newspaper writes. But China can sharply reduce the volume of investments in US securities or even sell part of the US public debt, which will lead to a sharp jump in interest rates on US Treasury securities.

However, according to some experts, the dumping by China of even the entire US public debt will not lead to any collapse of the dollar, since the US Federal Reserve will buy it "to the last cent." What is 1.1 trillion. US government debt, owned by China, against the background of the fact that the Fed over the past month and a half bought up government bonds by 2.5 trillion. dollars and continues to engage in such a ransom. On the other hand, the dumping of the US public debt by China may lead to a chain reaction, which cannot but affect the American economy.

https://topwar.ru/171025-kitaj-prigrozil-ssha-izbavleniem-ot-amerikanskih-cennyh-bumag.html

Also:

German intelligence considers US allegations against China a "distracting maneuver"



China’s US accusations of spreading coronavirus are a distraction used by US authorities to cover up their own blunders. This conclusion was made by the Federal Intelligence Service of Germany (BND), the portal Der Spiegel reports. German intelligence requested evidence of American allegations from its allies from the Five Eyes intelligence network, which includes the United States, Australia, Britain, Canada and New Zealand, but did not receive a response. According to German intelligence, blaming China, Washington is engaged in a “calculating distracting maneuver,” with the help of which it wants to distract the American people from their own mistakes and redirect “the anger of the Americans to China.”

However, according to the BND, China at the highest level tried to influence WHO, so that it would not rush to declare a coronavirus pandemic. Because of this, according to German intelligence, the world has lost about 4-6 weeks in the fight against infection.

Recall that earlier in the US administration said that China is guilty of the spread of coronavirus infection and Washington allegedly has evidence of the artificial origin of the virus, which was created in a biological laboratory in Chinese Wuhan. But according to recent data, intelligence in many Western countries are inclined to the natural origin of the coronavirus, leaving only Beijing’s accusation of untimely notification of other countries about a new disease.

https://topwar.ru/171035-nemeckaja-razvedka-schitaet-obvinenija-ssha-v-adres-kitaja-otvlekajuschim-manevrom.html

dino00 wrote:What vann7 is saying is not just stupid it's dangerous, now is against vaccines...we will all be dead because of stupid people...like the idiots drinking bleach...

His lord and savior Stumpy-Trumpy told him to drink bleach, and inject disinfectants...his posts are the result lmao!

I would advice to wait a few years to see how effective those new vaccines will be & what side effects & infections they'll cause; in the meantime, take Vitamin C, drink green tea, wear a mask to public spaces, & lead a healthy lifestyle.
If not stopped, they'll later create a new virus to start the process over again to make more $. https://www.juancole.com/2020/05/interested-profiteering-coronavirus.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/08/us/cuomo-child-nyc-dies-coronavirus-trnd/index.html

https://www.juancole.com/2020/05/countries-economies-president.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/coronavirus-task-force-trump-u-turn-pence-not-real-a9504766.html

https://www.pravdareport.com/opinion/144549-usa_pandemic/

https://qz.com/1852646/tens-of-thousands-are-still-stuck-on-cruise-ships/

https://asiatimes.com/2020/05/how-covid-19-will-and-wont-change-vietnam/?mc_cid=1d6d3291ee&mc_eid=5455568640

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/08/americas/brazil-coronavirus-bolsonaro-response-intl/index.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO8mKnoOz94

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFBIQLiDxzI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHhNvskLWG4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRxflrAwiI0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0siRXdCLy_g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_PvkzU1uBc

dino00 wrote:What vann7 is saying is not just stupid it's dangerous, now is against vaccines...we will all be dead because of stupid people...like the idiots drinking bleach...

the only stupid here is you.. and those saying im a trump supporter ,
i never said ,im against vaccines idiot...

i only said that people should not take anything into their body ,if they don't trust , in the source
who wants you to take it..  whether is medicine or a vaccine ,will you allow your children to be
vaccinated by satanic people ,who have a long history of poisoning families? not even a bottle of water
you should drink ,if you don't trust in the person giving you it.. is simply common sense to say ,
you should not allow anyone to force you ,against your will to use any medicine or be vaccinated
if you don't want to.

so again imbecile , read again what i said.. the problem is not vaccines.. neither is medicines,
neither is doctors ,or neither is labs.. the problem is corrupt people and evil people ,take control of
the health institutions or their country , and use those institutions to get people sick or killed ,
so people shoud not take anything if they have no trust of those forcing them ,to to put anything in their bodies.. whether is government or a company or a doctor ..so stop saying bullshit of things i have never said..

So if you want to blindly trust in bill gates foundation ,i could care less , if you get cancer ..
or aids ,because stupid people no matter what you tell them ,they will not listen and will not care ,
the live in a fantasy land ,where everything is great ,and nobody is seeking to harm them.

in more news..

this doctor judy with a phd in molecular biology ,and decades experiences in virology is saying people have been injected viruses and other illness through vaccines.. in US federal health institutions  and she went to jail ,for refusing to change her claims... and standing by what she said..



Dr Rashid A buttar is also saying the same thing..  and Dr Erickson of california ,
they also hinted this planndemic is for forced vaccinations later.. when there is no need for it..

this doctor judy with a phd in molecular biology ,and decades experiences in virology is saying people have been injected viruses and other illness through vaccines.. in US federal health institutions  and she went to jail ,for refusing to change her claims... and standing by what she said..

This may not be true: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/plandemic-mikovits-arrest/

Thats the only hope ,that can stop this.. at least partially..that people start to protest in the millions
against vaccines..but they still control how medicines are done ,and how your food are done , and you can't stop eating food , if you are hungry you will eat genetically modified food from mcdonalds . still stopping forced vaccines will be a major victory for sure..

Individuals refusing vaccinations is not helping... and the GM situation is totally different... if you are hungry there are plenty of products that do not include GM food... avoid starvation by eating those and the companies saving money by using GM ingredients will realise when their bottom line gets hit that it is important to their customers and they can either remove GM foods from their products or sell less product... which do you think they will pick?

From my own reading of your post above Vann is that you are not advocating people don't get vaccinated as such, what you seem to be saying is that western white governments can't be trusted at any level and that you should use your own judgement.

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The problem we face today ,is that the nations that more influence the world with their business and influence more world economy are corrupt and selfish and controlled by a very corrupt and satanic elite.. that controls the policy of those countries.. controls its laws. so is a problem of trust and credibility.

The problem there is that the average person has no real idea about this... you might as well be saying that the local builders federation has been taken over by the Illuminati so rather than buy a new house or an old house or get a builder to build you a new house what you should do is either build your own or live in a cave.

heck ,even ,your dentist and those who take care of your hair ,that give you a hair cut, if they had bad
reputation ,should be avoided ,is just common sense.. when it comes to your health ,you should never take
anything if you don't trust in the outcome ,based of many reports by credible health authorities ,that you should
avoid it.. but if now it is made law ,that in order to get a job or go outside ,you need to be vaccinated ,by the government then major nation wide protest will be need, demanding their leaders promoting this to step down.

But that is a problem too... most of the bad people selling products will make their product look good by running down their opponents or rivals product... take natural gas sales to the EU for example... most western people will believe the US over Russia, so they think they are making a good choice but in fact they are not... it really depends on who you trust and who you can trust... Trump might be an idiot and a total ahole but is CNN and the BBC doing the public any favours by plastering all over their websites when trump tells them to drink bleach or inject it directly to cure something?

The government is broken but so is the media.

In her last video ,posted by me ,where she says the virus came from monkey not from bats,
she claims coronaviruses don't do that ,what is happening in the world..

Yeah... human beings never went to space.. before we did right?

Life is capable of all sorts of stuff.

The shaved orangutan, the uneducated jackass believes proving US debt is insolvent is the way to strike back at China, the unrepentant goober believes it can't cause a chain reaction backlash, a panic run from the Dollar that could harm the U.S. economy

Would be a good way to destroy the US dollar and the US as an entity to try to claim the suggestion that China started the virus is an excuse to write off all US debt held by China... especially without proof of any of that... watch countries demand immediate payment of the debt... US printing presses over heat and the value of the US dollar drops to slightly below apple tree leaf... and then countries of the world find they have to start to reevaluate the worlds monetary system that does not involve the US.

I would advice to wait a few years to see how effective those new vaccines will be & what side effects & infections they'll cause;

I would advise everyone to talk to their doctor about this and not consult doctor Vann or doctor Tsavo online...

Vaccinations prevent vastly more suffering than they create, and any story telling you different investigate before you spread as being true. Most of the anti vaccine stories are not even remotely true and persist because dumb people prefer a good story to finding out the real truth for themselves.

the only stupid here is you.. and those saying im a trump supporter ,
i never said ,im against vaccines idiot...

VANN... we talked about this only a few days ago... calling another member stupid and an idiot when he said he thought you were an anti vaxer and that that is stupid. The fact that you deny being an anti vaxer shows you think it is stupid too, but while you are agreeing with him you are calling him an idiot.

You need a four day break from this forum, and this is a good reminder that attacking a message is OK, but attacking the messenger is not.

so again imbecile , read again what i said.. the problem is not vaccines.. neither is medicines,
neither is doctors ,or neither is labs.. the problem is corrupt people and evil people ,take control of
the health institutions or their country , and use those institutions to get people sick or killed ,
so people shoud not take anything if they have no trust of those forcing them ,to to put anything in their bodies.. whether is government or a company or a doctor ..so stop saying bullshit of things i have never said..

I appreciate that being misunderstood is frustrating, but you could have said everything you said without the abuse... we can chat about it in 4 days time perhaps?

Vann7 wrote:So if you want to blindly trust in bill gates foundation ,i could care less

I've noticed that Bill Gates on a regular basis talks about how millions of people can be killed, especially in Asia and Africa. He has already predicted that millions will die in Asia and Africa from COVID19.

I wonder what he and people like him (for example Elon Musk) are up to. Probably they are working on some U.S government project that intends to kill millions across Asia and Africa.

The unsinkable US-PRC war may happen:

https://nypost.com/2020/05/09/cellphone-data-could-indicate-october-shutdown-at-wuhan-lab/

https://vz.ru/world/2020/5/10/1038622.print.html https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-usa/china-refutes-24-lies-by-u-s-politicians-over-coronavirus-idUSKBN22M0DV

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-52600618

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/09/politics/obama-trump-coronavirus-response-flynn-case/index.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/why-have-14-000-people-volunteered-be-infected-coronavirus-n1203931

Is This the Start of the Second Wave That Will Be Far More Deadly to Children?


https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/3-ny-children-die-of-virus-linked-syndrome/ar-BB13UoTg?li=AAggFp5&ocid=SKY2DHP



Apparently there are also such cases in the U.K., and reportedly "a very small number" in Boston and Philadelphia.

Soros has announced why this "pandemic ".

"Billionaire currency speculator George Soros has hailed the Covid-19 pandemic as the crisis of his lifetime, all but salivating over the chance to remake society amid the “revolutionary moment” he claims preceded the virus.
“Even before the pandemic hit, I realized that we were in a revolutionary moment where what would be impossible or even inconceivable in normal times had become not only possible, but probably absolutely necessary,” Soros told Project Syndicate on Monday. “And then came Covid-19.”

Acknowledging the “unprecedented event that probably has never occurred in this combination…really endangers the survival of our civilization,” the philanthropist warned “we will not go back to where we were when the pandemic started.”

https://www.rt.com/news/488386-soros-revolutionary-pandemic-possibilities/

"China to test ENTIRE POPULATION of Wuhan for Covid-19 after disease reemerges."

China will test 11 million people, the Chinese are not fooling around. That is insane they are going to test 11 million in a short span of time.

https://www.rt.com/news/488416-wuhan-mass-testing-china/

https://fpif.org/trump-isnt-the-first-to-threaten-who-but-his-threat-is-the-most-dangerous/

https://www.pravdareport.com/news/society/144555-russian_ventilators_fire/

https://iz.ru/1010282/izvestiia/v-sostoianii-defekta-prichinoi-tragedii-mog-stat-apparat-ivl

https://iz.ru/1010345/2020-05-12/v-rossii-sozdali-mnogorazovyi-kostium-dlia-raboty-s-bolnymi-covid-19

https://jamestown.org/program/moscow-using-pandemic-to-shore-up-alliance-with-serbia-against-nato-and-china/

https://regnum.ru/news/society/2947495.html

Absolutely disgusting kleptocracy/plutocracy to rain down on NYC post-Covid-19:



As Obama's bath spa/hot tub buddy, Rahm Emmanuel, would say "Never let a crisis go to waste!"

I've noticed that Bill Gates on a regular basis talks about how millions of people can be killed, especially in Asia and Africa. He has already predicted that millions will die in Asia and Africa from COVID19.

Yeah, I can predict that in the future there is going to be another world war, and also that a large object from space will hit the earth and do some serious damage.

That does not mean I created the war, nor have any capacity to direct large objects at the earth... what it means is that I can read a book and know human history is full of wars and as was shown by WWI where everyone thought having agreements to help each other in a conflict with someone else would mean everyone is fighting everyone so no one would be that mad would they?

Organisations like HATO ensure that even a small conflict can quickly get out of control and become huge... and of course the existence of a military organisation like HATO means countries not in HATO will feel vulnerable and start making their own defence arrangements... either agreements of their own or lots of nuclear weapons...

Such a situation makes my prediction of another world war a pretty safe bet, and the history of things hitting the planet periodically mean my other guess is pretty safe too.

Bill Gates perhaps read a book and saw Pandemics happen and air travel make them even more dangerous.... 300 years ago pandemics were largely contained because the one month boat trip from Europe to the Americas means most of those who were sick when they left didn't make it to where they were going...

An 8 hour flight on the other hand just gives you time to infect everyone else on the plane.... I am honestly surprised they are not more common...

GarryB wrote:Bill Gates perhaps read a book and saw Pandemics happen and air travel make them even more dangerous.... 300 years ago pandemics were largely contained because the one month boat trip from Europe to the Americas means most of those who were sick when they left didn't make it to where they were going...

Or maybe because he intends to predict the future by creating it.

Why else would a tech mogul try to venture into territories that are not his forte? Clearly he is up to something. Already the ill effects of the vaccination program that he sponsored in Africa is taking a big toll on individuals who were administered that vaccine.

Not so good news for Aventa-M users.

It seems this ventilator is suspected to cause fires.

https://tass.ru/obschestvo/8459185

https://www.juancole.com/2020/05/together-americans-greater.html

https://www.juancole.com/2020/05/bungling-coronavirus-conspiracy.html

https://iz.ru/1010714/2020-05-13/uchenye-nazvali-vozmozhnyi-istochnik-rasprostraneniia-koronavirusa

https://www.concordmonitor.com/An-economic-tsunami-could-soon-thrust-half-a-billion-people-into-extreme-poverty-34301209

https://asiatimes.com/2020/05/china-australia-edge-towards-covid-19-trade-war/?mc_cid=4b971fcf34&mc_eid=5455568640

https://youtu.be/5SDUm1bx7Zc?t=488

https://business.financialpost.com/transportation/nightmare-at-sea-ends-in-death-for-some-cruise-ship-workers

https://regnum.ru/news/society/2948732.html
https://www.pravdareport.com/news/society/144561-funeral_covid/

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/05/kills-latin-america-faces-epidemics-200512141149180.html

Last month US and UK based defence analysts, academicians were quite concerned that despite India's 1 billion plus population why is it that not too many Indians are dying from coronavirus? Goldman Sachs chief (of UK origin) even went on to suggest indirectly that India does have the intention to release viruses like COVID 19 worldwide.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/thank-god-coronavirus-didnt-start-in-india-goldman-chief-economist-jim-oneill/articleshow/74595347.cms

Today West is asking the same question about RUSSIA. Why too many Russians are not dying from coronavirus?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-13/experts-want-to-know-why-coronavirus-hasn-t-killed-more-russians

dino00 wrote:

Regular wrote:Not so good news for Aventa-M users.

It seems this ventilator is suspected to cause fires.

https://tass.ru/obschestvo/8459185

In use since 2012 only now causes fires...

Yes, just one of the situations when it rains it pours. Could have overused or maybe it was dodgy units. Just have to wait for investigation as this is looked into very seriously. For now, use of them is suspend. They will probably get an upgrade as well, better than shelving them completely. It's good that Russia has substitutes and able to produce components.