US-Iran standoff 2019-

Isos wrote:

Nothing of this will happen. Iran will do nothing.

They have already started few hours ago.




Funny thing, none of US allies helps them (just Israel but not a surprise).

French denied their airspace to US cargo transporting weapons to the middle east. Turkey also denied its airspace yesterday.

France did not denie airspace. Dont make things up please.

The guy who was killed was a terrorist. In 1991 they murdered a former iranian politician in France and killed a police officer.

We have not forgot this in France.

We follow a different approach regarding Iran than USA but i dont see anything wrong in this case.

I have some information that Iran trying to put the axis Iran-Turkey-Russia into the game and work a solution that would include Iraq, Syria and Libya.

Isos wrote:

France did not denie airspace. Dont make things up please

Next time check a little bit more before talking.

https://mobile.twitter.com/planesonthenet/status/1213207310237126658



https://mobile.twitter.com/durosekevin/status/1213151499074887683

The guy who was killed was a terrorist. In 1991 they murdered a former iranian politician in France and killed a police officer.

We have not forgot this in France.

Forgot what ? If France chosed to protect this iranian then it means they knew it could bring danger inside of France. They played a game nit for them and lost a citizen for nothing. Iranian are known to kill their opposition leaders in foreign countries, when you can't protect them you don't bring them and put in daner your citizens. French government fault.

Anyway I don't know that story and France is not going to help US in their war agaibst Iran for Israeli interest. It was already made clear by Macron.

You should check your facts. It was a refueling aircraft. We dont allow those to fly over France in general. When it was empty at morning it did fly over France.

Hannibal Barca wrote:I have some information that Iran trying to put the axis Iran-Turkey-Russia into the game and work a solution that would include Iraq, Syria and Libya.

Not happening

Neither Russia or Turkey give a crap about this guy

And by erasing him from existence USA just officially delivered Syria to Russia, Assad's little bro just lost his sugar-daddy

Besides, what ''solution'' would Russia need for Iraq or Libya? They don't exactly care all that much now.

@ Aristide

Iran has no problems with Europe. As long as they do not participate in this war against Iran, then I see no problems in them having normal relations with any country in region. Including Iran. The problems was and has been the choke hold of yank over World commerce. I am sure Europe will benefit greatly by expanding trade and relation with Asia. Iran has been left now to carry the heavy lifting. The job of freeing Europe too.


So with Europe, no problems with military bases or normal troop deployments or training. As long as no funny business or spy work to help Yanks. Peace.

"Another thing worthy of notice is the visit of Qatar’s foreign minister to Iran in an attempt to mediate between Washington and Tehran. Unconfirmed reports on Twitter claim that the US asked Qatar to mediate with Iran over the retaliation to Washington’s terrorist attack. Deputy PM/ FM Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al Thani met with his counterpart Mohammad Javad Zarif and offered a “nuclear deal” and lifting sanctions in exchange of no response."

There is more than we know that is going, I have no idea what Iran will and I have suggestions on what Iran will do. But after reading that statement, my opinion (and this is just my opinion), is that most of people in US government were not aware of this and were against it.

My thinking is(this is just my thinking), some warmongers that want war, put this idea into Trumps head, while not telling anyone and Trump being the idiot that he is, went with it, thinking it will distraught from the impeachment whore show.

I don't know how true that statement is.

https://thesaker.is/sitrep-soleimani-and-al-muhandis-murders/




This is why I think the US is scared now:

"The presence of figures such as Sayyed Ahmad al-Safi and Hadi Al-Ameri, who are otherwise rivals, in the funeral procession is a message to Washington that the assassinations have unified the Iraqis more than ever against the US.

The same can be said when Moqtada Al-Sadr who us known to have been opposed to Iranian presence in Iraq, traveled to the home of Soleimani’s family in Kerman to offer his condolences."

If the Iraqi government invites Russia to Iraq, it maybe game over for the US in Iraq. If the Iraqis want to make their country respectable, than they should invite Russia and China.

https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/476762-waist-deep-and-sinking-in-the-middle-east-were-now-at-war-with-iran

Can Iran respond asymmetrically to the US assassination of Suleimani?
https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2823069.html

Aristide wrote:

Isos wrote:

Nothing of this will happen. Iran will do nothing.

They have already started few hours ago.




Funny thing, none of US allies helps them (just Israel but not a surprise).

French denied their airspace to US cargo transporting weapons to the middle east. Turkey also denied its airspace yesterday.

France did not denie airspace. Dont make things up please.

The guy who was killed was a terrorist. In 1991 they murdered a former iranian politician in France and killed a police officer.

We have not forgot this in France.

We follow a different approach regarding Iran than USA but i dont see anything wrong in this case.

if you what you claim is true.. then why Macron have good relations with Iran and was leading
the negotiations for a nuclear deal with iran ????  France actually today have better relations with Iran,
than with your lovely America and Israel. Macron even invited the foreign minister of Iran ,to a G5 meeting..
to try to get US and Iran to negotiate.. but iran backed down..and refused to meet Trump until he drop the sanctions first.. and limited himself only to greet everyone there  minus american delegation , that is the only one in the group against the iranian deal..  and let me remind you  that France good relations with Iran goes back to previous 2 presidents... not just a Macron thing.. but hollande and Sarkozy have been pushing for ending
the cold war against Iran..  probably france is one of the rare european nations that all political parties..
from center ,left and right .wants good relations and business with Iran.  so your claims apparently either are bullshit.. or.... they don't give a shit about it... which one it is ?  

either the entire french government and the german too..
their intelligence agencies and politicians....
1)not well informed about your wikipedia discoveries..and you are much smarter than them..
2)or the entire story is simply bullshit.. fake news..

however im sure you will not forget your lovely american navy shutdown an iranian airliner
, killing about 300 hundreds civilian passengers,, women and children.. and later the US government
gave a medal and celebrated like heroes to all the generals.. who participated in that international
act of terrorism , a mass crime against humanity.. and US navy can't say they didn't knew it was a civilian
plane , since they are big targets , and fly in exclusive zones for airliners only and had transponder on..
identifying as the plane identity ,flying over international airspace.

go watch this..


so don't try to lecture ,people about who are the terrorist..
US ,Turkey ,Saudi arabia ,israel , are the terrorist and the muslim extremist that joined forces with NATO
like ISIS ,ALqaeda ,and Free Syrian Army ) and many others ,that you did not deny your sympathy for them..

Isos wrote:Russia could use its ships in Caspian Sea to fire at US targets if Iran and USA start missile war...

Why the hell would Russia want to put their ass on the chopping block for Iran?

They are their competitors in Caspian region and offer precisely nothing, they didn't even want to allow Russia to station bombers in Iran during Syrian War but Russians are supposed to get themselves all killed for some Iranian clown who walked into drone killbox like a retard?

Isos wrote:They just need to erase everything written on them and put some iranian missile's names on them.

This wouldn't even fool Lesotho let alone USA, have you been playing too much videogames lately?

Isos wrote:That way they destroy US air force C5 galaxy or f22 raptors in huge number.

And accomplish what exactly in the process? Other than starting nuclear war?

Isos wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

Hannibal Barca wrote:I have some information that Iran trying to put the axis Iran-Turkey-Russia into the game and work a solution that would include Iraq, Syria and Libya.

Not happening

Neither Russia or Turkey give a crap about this guy

And by erasing him from existence USA just officially delivered Syria to Russia, Assad's little bro just lost his sugar-daddy

Besides, what ''solution'' would Russia need for Iraq or Libya? They don't exactly care all that much now.

Russia could use its ships in Caspian Sea to fire at US targets if Iran and USA start missile war. They just need to erase everything written on them and put some iranian missile's names on them. That way they destroy US air force C5 galaxy or f22 raptors in huge number.

They can hit any gaz production facility and have the monopoly of gaz delivries. Then increases prices and make billions every month for at least 2 years until ME repair their own facilities.

Turkey on the other side would be happy with no more US troops in Iraq to expend their "empire". But I doubt they would succeed.

Syria and Assad are too weak to do anything and they are not that friendly to Iran.

Please stop playing video games, nothing like this is going to happen.

Iran will increase support to Iranian militias and slowly drain the US, sort of what happened to Soviets in Afghanistan and the US in Vietnam.

More Iranian weapons are going to be going to Syria, Iraq, Yemen and Afghanistan.

The General knew full well, what the risks were.

The best thing Iran can do now arm anti-US/NATO forces, they have the upper hand in Syria and Iraq and are doing good in Yemen, just arm them more.

Russia and China also have a good thing going for them, the US is just bogged down in the Middle East, fighting endless fruitless wars, while Russia and China develop their militaries and economics.

Iran won't do anything stupid because they have not in the past. They will go over all the information, go over all the risks and than decide what to do.

no idea if true.. but iranian generals are saying
in iran tv.. that americans as asking iran that if they will retaliate to do it
proportionally..  

no idea if that is true or not...
but .. im 100% sure.. that the number#1 concern american military have,,
is that iran manage to sink an american warship (which they can do, since the
hormus strait at times is only about 20km wide..  a distance that it will be very easy to hit
a very large aircraft carrier...with small room for maneuver .. to evade a massive wave of
underwater torpedos attack..

so this is a big problem , because if iran sinks an american destroyer . it will be fatal a death sentence
for trump re-election and presidency ,and on top of that he will have to retaliate with a full scale strike on iran and still ,that will not bring back the lost warship..  iranian military could will want to do a devastating response to send a powerful signal to any other american president ,or even targeting iran.. remember that iranian are under full scale economic sanctions war too.. so there is very little reasons for iran to not retaliate.. and
any warship commander from iran ,can also attack on their own an american warship to avenge their general death.. so with muslims is more normal to be guided by emotions ,than by logic or common sense.. . they can commit a suicide attack on an aircraft carrier or warship. to get their revenge regardless of consequences..

and a full scale war means hormus strait will be closed and oil prices sky rocket to heaven and us economy
dollar value devalue... and face recession... since a war with iran ,over opening the hormus strait if they close it will be very long..

here is the article..

Israel: US Asks Iran to Not Sink an American Carrier, “Just Kill Some Troops Instead” (You just can’t make this stuff up)

https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/01/04/israel-us-asks-iran-to-not-sink-an-american-carrier-just-kill-some-troops-instead-you-just-cant-make-this-stuff-up/

so my bet is iran will hit some americans ,they have plenty of ways to do it.. a simple anti air manpand in bagdad can take down a low flying apache.. it will be easy for iran to smuggle lethal weapons to the heart of badgad.. like kornets against us military will be letal .. and iran will even receive help from iraq , so is not only
iran but iraq military , could join forces to strike back. at us troops.
i predict a response in the next 2 weeks..  but if they don't do it in that time . it could be they waiting to pick a very big target..like a warship..   time will tell.. but those that says iran "will do nothing" , just don't hide later
when they do something.. i really think trump presidency is bust.. it will be impossible for trump to avoid a war
with iran... now..  iran will target them..and they will want to safe face and respond and iran respond back and so and so... it will be ugly.. i do see us troops abandoning iraq.. since it will be unsafe to be in iraq with iraquis and iranians starting a guerrilla war against them..  even israel had problems to protect their military ,when invaded lebanon..and was forced to leave.. by their soldiers losses.

Well the obvious assymetric response would be to kill Bolton or Pompeo... I don't have any problem with that... they have caused plenty of suffering and death between them so eliminating them makes perfect sense for the good of the planet.

The guy who was killed was a terrorist. In 1991 they murdered a former iranian politician in France and killed a police officer.

We have not forgot this in France.

Hahahaha.... you mean like Dominique Prior convictions and Alan my farts don't smell are terrorists too... if murdering people in foreign countries makes you a national hero doesn't it?

Yes it seems the Yanks asked Iranians to just do proportional response. But it is not possible. A proportional response is, if yank could be put under blockade and yank can not travel to say Canada or Mexico and say pompeo or Trump is assassinated or executed! So complete nonsense.

The only answer Iran can give is to free itself from the choke hold. It should do this in two stages :

( 1) First to establish supply and trade routes for safe transport and supply to China and Russia, through land route. And to connect Afghanistan to Iran to Iraq to Syria to med coast. For belt and road. Also to clear road north to Russia. So yank bases north in R. Of . Azerbaijan should be removed. Following this initial attacks, either demand removal of blockade against Yemen, and removal of all sanction against Iran and allies. And they do it. Or :

( 2 ) Attack bases in PG states to drive out and take over oil fields and world supply. Followed by attack through Saudi to liberate Yemen. At this stage the world has no choice but to lift blockade. For it's own survival.

During this process, the Yanks may at any stage resort to using nukes. So Iran needs a Nuke detterent now. Or ASAP. Since this will stop wars or limit them altogether. This is priority.

NB : Timescale for each operation only six months. Entire operation and offensive one year max or shorter. Start of operations ASAP.

Vann7 wrote:

Aristide wrote:

Isos wrote:

Nothing of this will happen. Iran will do nothing.

They have already started few hours ago.




Funny thing, none of US allies helps them (just Israel but not a surprise).

French denied their airspace to US cargo transporting weapons to the middle east. Turkey also denied its airspace yesterday.

France did not denie airspace. Dont make things up please.

The guy who was killed was a terrorist. In 1991 they murdered a former iranian politician in France and killed a police officer.

We have not forgot this in France.

We follow a different approach regarding Iran than USA but i dont see anything wrong in this case.

if you what you claim is true.. then why Macron have good relations with Iran and was leading
the negotiations for a nuclear deal with iran ????  France actually today have better relations with Iran,
than with your lovely America and Israel. Macron even invited the foreign minister of Iran ,to a G5 meeting..
to try to get US and Iran to negotiate.. but iran backed down..and refused to meet Trump until he drop the sanctions first.. and limited himself only to greet everyone there  minus american delegation , that is the only one in the group against the iranian deal..  and let me remind you  that France good relations with Iran goes back to previous 2 presidents... not just a Macron thing.. but hollande and Sarkozy have been pushing for ending
the cold war against Iran..  probably france is one of the rare european nations that all political parties..
from center ,left and right .wants good relations and business with Iran.  so your claims apparently either are bullshit.. or.... they don't give a shit about it... which one it is ?  

either the entire french government and the german too..
their intelligence agencies and politicians....
1)not well informed about your wikipedia discoveries..and you are much smarter than them..
2)or the entire story is simply bullshit.. fake news..

however im sure you will not forget your lovely american navy shutdown an iranian airliner
, killing about 300 hundreds civilian passengers,, women and children.. and later the US government
gave a medal and celebrated like heroes to all the generals.. who participated in that international
act of terrorism , a mass crime against humanity.. and US navy can't say they didn't knew it was a civilian
plane , since they are big targets , and fly in exclusive zones for airliners only and had transponder on..
identifying as the plane identity ,flying over international airspace.

go watch this..


so don't try to lecture ,people about who are the terrorist..
US ,Turkey ,Saudi arabia ,israel , are the terrorist and the muslim extremist that joined forces with NATO
like ISIS ,ALqaeda ,and Free Syrian Army ) and many others ,that you did not deny your sympathy for them..

Actions speak louder than words.

France dos almost nothing to keep the treaty alive. Last time i checked all french companies left Iran.

The french-iranian relationship is ambivalent. We like Iran, we hate the regime.

We have not forgotten Iran taking french hostages under Ahmadinejad. We have ot forgotten the police officer who got killed by iranians here.

@ ISOS

The Russian DM, said only radio and communication support in defensive use to be sent. I agree with you ISOS, when you say covert help can happen. By missile launch. But should only target carriers. Hoping Saudi, see sense of self preservation and disallow use of Saudi airfield. But also Iran has trained Mig pilot. Could use a few more  of MIG 29 to arrive in Tehran shortly. Look like transport plane on Radar. Land in remote airfield.

Isos wrote:....Israel and US are doing the same in syria by bombing iranians and SAA without any confirmation.

Israelis gladly and proudly admit to hitting Iranians and SAA every time it happens

And Russia will not be going to nuclear war over some jihadi idiot so please put down the gamepad and take the crack pipe out of your piehole

Perhaps you are right. But nothing stopping supplies getting to Iran from Russia or China. For the same argument the Yanks will not go to Nuke war with Russia. And Iran will need supplies over next few years. I don't know what the stocks of essential gear are? Like AA missiles or spare parts or fuel. They could all come over as powdered milk or medical supplies. Even if Iran likes to make a limited strike, then this will not lift sanctions or blockade or stop retaliation and prolongation of war. Unless material conditions change on the ground. So that Yanks have so much to loose, that they will opt to lift sanctions. This means loosing significant interests in region. Economic and political and military.

Also heard yank navy pulling back into Indian Ocean! Cowards. This suits Iran fine. When they hit targets on ground, they will be forced to come closer. But then they will be sunk!

What dilemma. If it was me, I pretend to drop my load in Ocean and eject. Hoping I will be picked up by Iranian navy. I will sit out war in Iran. Instead of jail in yank prison. Or refugee in Canada. LOL.

The discussion here is cute.

Iran is a weak country with a weak economy. Its not worthy of any support.

I would escalate this up now to get rid of the Mullah regime and be done with it.