Russian Economy General News: #7

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Rmf wrote:

Austin wrote:Japan has domestic debt level of 250 % of GDP and they are doing fine , they havent collapsed

Having a project 15.7 % of state GDP to Debt ratio by 2019 is penuts , My own country India has public GDP to Debt ratio of around 50 % if you add the state debt it adds to around 67 %

yes but they havent grown for over 20 yrs, they have zombie economy , if you go to japan its like you back in time to late 80s. and they are slowly losing the edge in many industries.

I believe Japan's annual GDP growth rate has been a little bit better than Russia's since the big dip in 2009.  Obviously, this one data point comparing the 2 countries' economic performance does not give us the while story. However it is good to keep that data in mind.

Paper money has no real value. Looking at currency valuations in the big picture, a country's currency is a function of people's perceptions/confidence in its value now and in the future.  As such currency has value because people believe it has value and will continue to have value.  Japan can borrow in the manner it does because people "perceive" little repayment risk. Japan can borrow easily in yen because people "perceive" little currency valuation risk both.  In the future such perceptions may change for a variety of reasons.  If they do, then Japan will be in real trouble.  Japan's debt levels make me nervous.

Russia's debt situation is good. Part of that is due to impressive fiscal discipline. Part of that is due to limitations on its ability to borrow.  Part of that is due to its tremendous natural resources.  Because of the Ruble's short and eventful history, it may take a while before it is "trusted."  Russia is taking important steps to create this trust.

japan is finished , with fukushima you had 3 reactors melting , chernobil is nothing compared to that. lucky they removed core from  4th reactor before earthquake. hundreds of tonns of radiated water going into pacific every day , western media is hush hush but if that was in russia they would be going insane. it will take 50 years to close those reactors and they running out of room to store water they use to cool melted cores.  buildings are so dilapidated if another quake hits or tsunami its a worldwide disaster. https://youtu.be/JMaEjEWL6PU?t=8m46s

Rmf wrote:japan is finished , with fukushima you had 3 reactors melting , chernobil is nothing compared to that. lucky they removed core from  4th reactor before earthquake. hundreds of tonns of radiated water going into pacific every day , western media is hush hush but if that was in russia they would be going insane. it will take 50 years to close those reactors and they running out of room to store water they use to cool melted cores.  buildings are so dilapidated if another quake hits or tsunami its a worldwide disaster.            https://youtu.be/JMaEjEWL6PU?t=8m46s

Japan has good hardworking people but they are highly indebted nation and slave to US.

Can fukushima like reactor meltdown can happen to current operational Russian Reactor and what safeguards exisit on existing Russian reactor ?

no reactor uses mox fuel like fukushima its so hot and radioactive plus you have lots of spent fuel on top of those shaky buildings which can go supercritical too, it spewed more radiation then chernobil only in liquid form with water its poisoning pacific like crazy ,and there was coverup from japan authorities. plus in 50 years time it will take to decomission (and hundreds of billion of $) there is high chance of new earthquake and tsunami ,which will make things 100 times worst.

Austin wrote:

Rmf wrote:japan is finished , with fukushima you had 3 reactors melting , chernobil is nothing compared to that. lucky they removed core from  4th reactor before earthquake. hundreds of tonns of radiated water going into pacific every day , western media is hush hush but if that was in russia they would be going insane. it will take 50 years to close those reactors and they running out of room to store water they use to cool melted cores.  buildings are so dilapidated if another quake hits or tsunami its a worldwide disaster.            https://youtu.be/JMaEjEWL6PU?t=8m46s

Japan has good hardworking people but they are  highly indebted nation and slave to US.

Can fukushima like reactor meltdown can happen to current operational Russian Reactor and what safeguards exisit on existing Russian reactor ?

The only reason we are talking about Fukushima is that the TEPCO idiots copy and pasted the GE reactor layout from the US instead of
doing the obvious and protecting the backup generators from flooding. Regardless of the sea wall and any assumptions about maximum
tsunami swell, they should have move the generators out of the basement and into a building on the hill behind the reactors. High voltage
power lines do perfectly well under water given that they are fully encased in a PVC core and surrounded by a puncture resistant outer
weave of wires and protective casing. You can see this hill with Google Earth, it is real and it is close. The meltdowns occurred because
the backup power failed and stopped the cooling system. Without cooling pumps working the GE reactors were 100% doomed.

Supposedly modern water-cooled/moderated reactors have more passive cooling systems but they cannot be made safe. Russia has retrofitted
even its RBMK reactors with cooling and containment vastly better than at Chernobyl. The latest generation of pressurized water reactors
(VVER) have world standard protection. But water and molten metal being heated like magma do not mix. The only solution is pool type
molten metal fast neutron breeder reactors. The unpressurized vat of metal acting as the coolant can actually work 100% passively and
does not require backup power and pumps. If lead is used the needs to be heated to 1740 Celsius to boil which is long before even marginal
passive cooling would kick in. But even sodium based reactors can be designed to survive with passive cooling. The BN-800 is going to
be followed by commercial BN-1200 reactors after 2024 and is really the solution to:

1) Waste: which now becomes fuel and gives over 50 times more energy out of a unit of weight of uranium

2) Safety: even an aircraft crashing into the reactor would not cause a leak and meltdown. It is a massive assembly of
reinforced concrete and molten metal which is also surrounded by a containment dome. Neither the Chernobyl, nor the
Fukushima, nor the Three Mile Island scenarios apply at all. Some saboteur operator could not even force a meltdown with
the worst system configuration possible. But even a controller could not configure the reactor operation into any mode they
wanted.

Rmf wrote:no reactor uses mox fuel like fukushima its so hot and radioactive plus you have lots of spent fuel on top of those shaky buildings which can go supercritical too, it spewed more radiation then chernobil only in liquid form with water its poisoning pacific like crazy ,and there was coverup from japan authorities. plus in 50 years time it will take to decomission (and hundreds of billion of $) there is high chance of new earthquake and tsunami ,which will make things 100 times worst.

Fortunately for Russia the ocean currents in the Pacific seem to be carrying all the radioactive water northeast, striking land down the Alaska/Canada/US coast. There is a lot of debate, well away from the sheeple, about the significance but it does seem to be between bad and very bad. It is highly unlikely that there will be an open debate, even Greenpeace is silent on the subject, as it is probable that nothing can be done to stop the pollution so no point in worrying the people of the world.

On a personal basis, it would be a very prudent plan not to eat anything out of the North Western Pacific, like Tuna or salmon especially, just in case.

kvs wrote:

The only reason we are talking about Fukushima is that the TEPCO idiots copy and pasted the GE reactor layout from the US instead of
doing the obvious and protecting the backup generators from flooding. Regardless of the sea wall and any assumptions about maximum
tsunami swell, they should have move the generators out of the basement and into a building on the hill behind the reactors. High voltage
power lines do perfectly well under water given that they are fully encased in a PVC core and surrounded by a puncture resistant outer
weave of wires and protective casing. You can see this hill with Google Earth, it is real and it is close. The meltdowns occurred because
the backup power failed and stopped the cooling system. Without cooling pumps working the GE reactors were 100% doomed.

Supposedly modern water-cooled/moderated reactors have more passive cooling systems but they cannot be made safe. Russia has retrofitted
even its RBMK reactors with cooling and containment vastly better than at Chernobyl. The latest generation of pressurized water reactors
(VVER) have world standard protection. But water and molten metal being heated like magma do not mix. The only solution is pool type
molten metal fast neutron breeder reactors. The unpressurized vat of metal acting as the coolant can actually work 100% passively and
does not require backup power and pumps. If lead is used the needs to be heated to 1740 Celsius to boil which is long before even marginal
passive cooling would kick in. But even sodium based reactors can be designed to survive with passive cooling. The BN-800 is going to
be followed by commercial BN-1200 reactors after 2024 and is really the solution to:

1) Waste: which now becomes fuel and gives over 50 times more energy out of a unit of weight of uranium

2) Safety: even an aircraft crashing into the reactor would not cause a leak and meltdown. It is a massive assembly of
reinforced concrete and molten metal which is also surrounded by a containment dome. Neither the Chernobyl, nor the
Fukushima, nor the Three Mile Island scenarios apply at all. Some saboteur operator could not even force a meltdown with
the worst system configuration possible. But even a controller could not configure the reactor operation into any mode they
wanted.

The GE reactors in Fukushima was boiling water type, the russians are pressurised type.
The pressuresed has higher cooling water volume, because the steam generators and compensators are above the reactors.

So the operators has way more time to react than in Fukushima, and the reactor has way more cooling feeding point - all steam enerator and compensator can be used as cooling water feeding.

The fast neutron reactors has few unique characteristic, example after melting down the partial core in the proxiity of groundd water can go critical.

The ultimate solution is the molten salt reactor, with contionus reprocessing.

It can remove the xenon and Cs-137, and without that there can't be serious enviromental damage .

http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/91088/

On the financial performance of Russian enterprises in 2016



In 2016, according to operational data, balanced financial result (profit minus loss) of organizations (excluding small businesses, banks, insurance institutions and state (municipal) institutions) in current prices amounted to +11,587 trillion roubles (38.5 thousand organisations have got profit in the amount of 13,195 trillion, 13.5 thousand organisations had a loss in the amount of 1,608 trillion rubles) and compared with the corresponding period of the previous year increased by 37.9%.
In 2015, the balanced financial result (for the comparable range of organizations) amounted to +8,403 trillion rubles.

miketheterrible wrote:http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/91088/

On the financial performance of Russian enterprises in 2016



In 2016, according to operational data, balanced financial result (profit minus loss) of organizations (excluding small businesses, banks, insurance institutions and state (municipal) institutions) in current prices amounted to +11,587 trillion roubles (38.5 thousand organisations have got profit in the amount of 13,195 trillion, 13.5 thousand organisations had a loss in the amount of 1,608 trillion rubles) and compared with the corresponding period of the previous year increased by 37.9%.
In 2015, the balanced financial result (for the comparable range of organizations) amounted to +8,403 trillion rubles.

Isnt 11.58 trillion rouble a huge amount of profit ? Pretty much close to Russian budget income per year

In the Investment Forum in Sochi agreements were signed by almost 500 billion rubles.

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During the forum was signed 377 agreements and protocols of intent totaling 490.3 billion rubles (considered agreement, which amount is not a trade secret) The largest of them:. Vologda region signed 4 agreements worth 220 billion rubles, including an agreement with the company "Gazprom", Krasnodar region signed agreements worth 140 billion rubles, the Republic of Adygea - 11 agreements for 11.2 billion rubles Republic of Crimea - 4 agreements worth 11.1 billion rubles, Rostov region - 8 agreements 10.7 billion rubles, the Republic of Ingushetia - 6 agreements at 7.9 billion rubles, the city of Sevastopol - 3 agreements worth 2 billion rubles, "- said in a statement.

As noted in the "Roskongresse" forum was held in the new format, the emphasis was placed on the domestic agenda. "Postponement of the date of the forum from September to February allowed to evenly distribute in the country of key economic forums throughout the calendar year, as well as maximize the use after the Olympic Games created in Sochi infrastructure 41 event was held in the framework of the business program." - Added to the fund.

In debates and discussions on the Forum site was attended by more than 400 speakers and moderators. The participants discussed the issues of regional policy, investment climate in the Russian regions, the opportunities for business development and entrepreneurship, the challenges of the digital economy, improving production efficiency and accessibility of energy infrastructure, financing of infrastructure projects, inter-budgetary relations.

Forum attended by 4792 participants from Russia and 36 countries, including 900 media representatives. , Including 520 Russian and 80 foreign delegates to this year we sent 600 companies. 350 Russian and 50 foreign companies were represented by their leaders. The forum was also attended five ambassadors of foreign states.

Sport case is not an obstacle

In parallel with the business program of the Russian investment forum in Sochi were held sporting events for its members. Secondly corporate Sochi Games was attended by over 500 people. In athletics race on the track, "Formula 1" on start there were 453 party forum and a resident of Sochi.

Sports program of the investment forum in Sochi ended with a hockey match for the Cup "Roskongress" between the team of the Russian government in conjunction with the hockey club, "Phoenix" and a team of participants. Government Team, headed by Deputy Prime Minister Arkady Dvorkovich won with a score of 7: 3. Together with him on the ice came Transport Minister Maxim Sokolov and Minister for the North Caucasus Lev Kuznetsov. Team participants of the forum led by chairman of the bank "Russian Capital" Mikhail Kuzovlev and the first chairman of the bank "Yugra" Yuri Melnikov.

Russian Investment Forum held in Sochi on February 27-28. His program focused on three thematic blocks: "The new regional policy opportunities for development." "Increasing business efficiency opportunities for growth." And "Implementing the projects for life."

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kvs wrote:

Austin wrote:

Rmf wrote:japan is finished , with fukushima you had 3 reactors melting , chernobil is nothing compared to that. lucky they removed core from  4th reactor before earthquake. hundreds of tonns of radiated water going into pacific every day , western media is hush hush but if that was in russia they would be going insane. it will take 50 years to close those reactors and they running out of room to store water they use to cool melted cores.  buildings are so dilapidated if another quake hits or tsunami its a worldwide disaster.            https://youtu.be/JMaEjEWL6PU?t=8m46s

Japan has good hardworking people but they are  highly indebted nation and slave to US.

Can fukushima like reactor meltdown can happen to current operational Russian Reactor and what safeguards exisit on existing Russian reactor ?

The only reason we are talking about Fukushima is that the TEPCO idiots copy and pasted the GE reactor layout from the US instead of
doing the obvious and protecting the backup generators from flooding.   Regardless of the sea wall and any assumptions about maximum
tsunami swell, they should have move the generators out of the basement and into a building on the hill behind the reactors.   High voltage
power lines do perfectly well under water given that they are fully encased in a PVC core and surrounded by a puncture resistant outer
weave of wires and protective casing.   You can see this hill with Google Earth, it is real and it is close.   The meltdowns occurred because
the backup power failed and stopped the cooling system.   Without cooling pumps working the GE reactors were 100% doomed.    

Supposedly modern water-cooled/moderated reactors have more passive cooling systems but they cannot be made safe. Russia has retrofitted
even its RBMK reactors with cooling and containment vastly better than at Chernobyl.  The latest generation of pressurized water reactors
(VVER) have world standard protection.    But water and molten metal being heated like magma do not mix.   The only solution is pool type
molten metal fast neutron breeder reactors.   The unpressurized vat of metal acting as the coolant can actually work 100% passively and
does not require backup power and pumps.  If lead is used the needs to be heated to 1740 Celsius to boil which is long before even marginal
passive cooling would kick in.   But even sodium based reactors can be designed to survive with passive cooling.   The BN-800 is going to
be followed by commercial BN-1200 reactors after 2024 and is really the solution to:

1) Waste: which now becomes fuel and gives over 50 times more energy out of a unit of weight of uranium

2) Safety: even an aircraft crashing into the reactor would not cause a leak and meltdown.  It is a massive assembly of
reinforced concrete and molten metal which is also surrounded by a containment dome.   Neither the Chernobyl, nor the
Fukushima, nor the Three Mile Island scenarios apply at all.   Some saboteur operator could not even force a meltdown with
the worst system configuration possible.  But even a controller could not configure the reactor operation into any mode they
wanted.

Thanks for that info.

The VVER 1200+ reactor are mentioned to be the most safe in that class of reactors , We in India are building that in 2 locations.

So BN-1200 reactor are as safe as molten salt reactor technology ?

Austin wrote:kvs and others read the interview in full its interesting

Boris Titov: implementation of the "Growth Strategy" will allow Russia by 2035 to double the GDP

http://www.interfax.ru/interview/550606

Business Ombudsman spoke about the essence of the documents and the discrepancy with the proposals of the Center for Strategic Research

- The main targets of the program?

- The essence of the strategy is that in the present circumstances only the market, private business, competition could save the Russian economy.

The main indicator - GDP growth. We believe that in 2019 the growth should be 3.5 - 5%. Growth of 4-6% should remain until 2025. Then he may decline slightly by 2035 to 3-3.5%.

The consistent increase in the rate of growth and improvement of its quality will double the GDP by 2035.

The first stage of "Growth Strategy," (2017 - 2019 gg) we conventionally call "New Industrialization", whose mission - to restore economic growth. We must reach 30 thousand. Dollars of GDP per capita at purchasing power parity (PPP).

The second stage - "Innovative Economy" (2020- 2025 years), involves access to high speed and quality of economic growth and should provide 40 thousand dollars per capita at PPP.

The third stage - "Knowledge Economy" (2026 - 2035 years) involves ensuring sustainable development of the country with access to 45 thousand dollars per capita at PPP..

We believe that each of these stages has its own economic characteristics.

The first stage - is the use of domestic demand as the main driver of growth - import substitution and the use of traditional exports. There should be moderately low exchange rate of the ruble. That is, we have to support import substitution, to stimulate domestic producers. Thus the development should be provided primarily existing competitive dozagruzkoy capacity. Today we have about 25% are not employed capacity.

At the second stage the economy should grow by increasing productivity, investment, expansion of non-oil exports. At this stage it will be the strengthening of the ruble exchange rate in line with economic growth, regardless of the prices of raw materials. Development should ensure that increasing investment in fixed assets and human capital. This can be called the period of entering the high growth rates.

The third stage - a sustainable development, which should ensure a balanced mix of developing the internal market by improving the quality characteristics of the standard of living and dynamic development of non-commodity high-tech exports, opening new markets innovative products and services. At this stage, it will increase the share of Russia in the world economy through the development of innovative global markets and managing global production chains.

It is proposed to ensure the normal functioning of the economy in terms of nominal convergence rate parameters and PPP. That is, if it is in dollars have a hamburger costs three times cheaper than in New York, then in the normal functioning of the economy and the cost in dollars and in rubles should be almost the same. Now this is not because there is a big difference between the nominal rate and the rate at purchasing power parity.

After reading the entire interview I realised it's Styoplin club proposal for medium term growth.

Kudrin will come with his own by April.

I don't know which one Putin will select and will go ahead with it in 2018 polls but Kudrin enjoys more credibility in eyes of putin.

I hope they just look at all and choose the one that is in best interest of Russia and not the imf west or liberals.

Kudrin will suck up to the west , Styoplin looks more promising to me

Austin wrote:

Isnt 11.58 trillion rouble a huge amount of profit ? Pretty much close to Russian budget income per year

Seems as a serious wealth transfer from the workers to the companies.

Austin wrote:

Thanks for that info.

The VVER 1200+ reactor are mentioned to be the most safe in that class of reactors , We in India are building that in 2 locations.

So BN-1200 reactor are as safe as molten salt reactor technology ?

India has its own sodium cooled fasst breder, it will start this year.

No one will develop molten salt reactors, those are too usefull to make pu239/u233.
And once sameone developed them from the nuk 5 everyone else can buy it.

Molten salt very safe beause of the online continous reprecessing, and very usefull for military bomb making purposes due to the same reason.

Due to this the US stoped all development effort.

Singular_Transform wrote:

Austin wrote:

Isnt 11.58 trillion rouble a huge amount of profit ? Pretty much close to Russian budget income per year

Seems as a serious wealth transfer from the workers to the companies.

Russia's GDP is around 80 trillion rubles. Why compare it to the Russian non-consolidated budget? At least compare
it to the consolidated budget which is between 20% and 30% of GDP and not 15% like this figure is.

Austin wrote:

kvs wrote:

Austin wrote:

Rmf wrote:japan is finished , with fukushima you had 3 reactors melting , chernobil is nothing compared to that. lucky they removed core from  4th reactor before earthquake. hundreds of tonns of radiated water going into pacific every day , western media is hush hush but if that was in russia they would be going insane. it will take 50 years to close those reactors and they running out of room to store water they use to cool melted cores.  buildings are so dilapidated if another quake hits or tsunami its a worldwide disaster.            https://youtu.be/JMaEjEWL6PU?t=8m46s

Japan has good hardworking people but they are  highly indebted nation and slave to US.

Can fukushima like reactor meltdown can happen to current operational Russian Reactor and what safeguards exisit on existing Russian reactor ?

The only reason we are talking about Fukushima is that the TEPCO idiots copy and pasted the GE reactor layout from the US instead of
doing the obvious and protecting the backup generators from flooding.   Regardless of the sea wall and any assumptions about maximum
tsunami swell, they should have move the generators out of the basement and into a building on the hill behind the reactors.   High voltage
power lines do perfectly well under water given that they are fully encased in a PVC core and surrounded by a puncture resistant outer
weave of wires and protective casing.   You can see this hill with Google Earth, it is real and it is close.   The meltdowns occurred because
the backup power failed and stopped the cooling system.   Without cooling pumps working the GE reactors were 100% doomed.    

Supposedly modern water-cooled/moderated reactors have more passive cooling systems but they cannot be made safe. Russia has retrofitted
even its RBMK reactors with cooling and containment vastly better than at Chernobyl.  The latest generation of pressurized water reactors
(VVER) have world standard protection.    But water and molten metal being heated like magma do not mix.   The only solution is pool type
molten metal fast neutron breeder reactors.   The unpressurized vat of metal acting as the coolant can actually work 100% passively and
does not require backup power and pumps.  If lead is used the needs to be heated to 1740 Celsius to boil which is long before even marginal
passive cooling would kick in.   But even sodium based reactors can be designed to survive with passive cooling.   The BN-800 is going to
be followed by commercial BN-1200 reactors after 2024 and is really the solution to:

1) Waste: which now becomes fuel and gives over 50 times more energy out of a unit of weight of uranium

2) Safety: even an aircraft crashing into the reactor would not cause a leak and meltdown.  It is a massive assembly of
reinforced concrete and molten metal which is also surrounded by a containment dome.   Neither the Chernobyl, nor the
Fukushima, nor the Three Mile Island scenarios apply at all.   Some saboteur operator could not even force a meltdown with
the worst system configuration possible.  But even a controller could not configure the reactor operation into any mode they
wanted.

Thanks for that info.

The VVER 1200+ reactor are mentioned to be the most safe in that class of reactors , We in India are building that in 2 locations.

So BN-1200 reactor are as safe as molten salt reactor technology ?

The BN-1200 is an upscale version of the BN-800 which is now producing commercial power for a year. The BN-800 is a molten sodium,
unpressurized vat, fast neutron breeder reactor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCgXcfGv5J8

Singular_Transform wrote:

The GE reactors in Fukushima was boiling water type, the russians are pressurised type.
The pressuresed has higher cooling water volume, because the steam generators and compensators are above the reactors.

So the operators has way more time to react than in Fukushima, and the reactor has way more cooling feeding point - all steam enerator and compensator can be used as cooling water feeding.

That is not relevant for Fukushima. The meltdowns happened because there was no backup power. Not because there was operator
failure to route power from elsewhere in time.

The fast neutron reactors has few unique characteristic, example after melting down the partial core in the proxiity of groundd water can go critical.

You are confusing sodium fires on exposure to water with criticality of the core. These have nothing do with each other in an unpressurized
vat design. Gravity keeps the sodium in the "pool" and since the combustion is non-explosive there will be a long time before enough of the sodium
burns off to compromise the core. We are talking weeks. Any country planning to operate nuclear reactors can't go on a multi-week coffee break
and sodium reactors will have fire suppression measures like dumping halon or CO2 into the reactor room. You can see from the BN-800 layout
that exposure to water would require some terrorist to fire an RPG into one of the sodium pipes and then open up a fire hose with water on it.

The ultimate solution is the molten salt reactor, with contionus reprocessing.

It can remove the xenon and Cs-137, and without that there can't be serious enviromental damage .

Americans like to wank themselves silly with such talk. Too bad they can't be bothered to build a prototype plant. What are they waiting
for? These things don't get brought to market in a few years. They require decades of validation and debugging experience. These
claims of superior design while remaining vapourware smell of BS to me.

Didn't realise the numbers were so high. Forget everything else, in real politik Donbas does not matter, in the long term this, along with Crimea, is the really really big payoff for Russia from Washington's crazy plan.

Whilst the West's demographic problems of an ageing population steadily increase (their boost of 900,000 are a burden not a benefit) this huge and unexpected boost to Russia's population reverses their similar trend for quite a while. Probably one of the best and strategically important cases of the Law of Unintended Consequences we will see in our lifetimes. Drinks all round in the Kremlin. Also posted in Ukraine thread.

Russia accepted 2.5 million refugees from Ukraine since the beginning of Kiev's military operation in Donbass, the deputy chairperson of the Federation Council, the Russian upper house of parliament, said Tuesday.

MOSCOW (Sputnik) — The migration flows from Ukraine intensified in April 2014, when Donbass residents' refusal to recognize the new Ukrainian authorities, which came to power as a result of what many consider to be a coup, triggered Kiev's violent response.

“Europe has accepted and is convulsing from 900,000, while we accepted 2.5 million refugees,” Yury Vorobiev said.

In October 2016, managing director of the People’s Republic of Donetsk (DPR) Ombudsman administration Dmitry Popov said it was not only military actions that caused the forced displacement, but also the persecution of civilians supporting DPR by the Ukrainian authorities.

JohninMK wrote:Didn't realise the numbers were so high. Forget everything else, in real politik Donbas does not matter, in the long term this, along with Crimea, is the really really big payoff for Russia from Washington's crazy plan.

Whilst the West's demographic problems of an ageing population steadily increase (their boost of 900,000 are a burden not a benefit) this huge and unexpected boost to Russia's population reverses their similar trend for quite a while. Probably one of the best and strategically important cases of the Law of Unintended Consequences we will see in our lifetimes. Drinks all round in the Kremlin. Also posted in Ukraine thread.

Russia accepted 2.5 million refugees from Ukraine since the beginning of Kiev's military operation in Donbass, the deputy chairperson of the Federation Council, the Russian upper house of parliament, said Tuesday.

MOSCOW (Sputnik) — The migration flows from Ukraine intensified in April 2014, when Donbass residents' refusal to recognize the new Ukrainian authorities, which came to power as a result of what many consider to be a coup, triggered Kiev's violent response.

“Europe has accepted and is convulsing from 900,000, while we accepted 2.5 million refugees,” Yury Vorobiev said.

In October 2016, managing director of the People’s Republic of Donetsk (DPR) Ombudsman administration Dmitry Popov said it was not only military actions that caused the forced displacement, but also the persecution of civilians supporting DPR by the Ukrainian authorities.

The common number was about 2 million so 2.5 million is just a refinement. The EU is convulsing from 900,000 since a large number of them
are criminals and rapists and a vast number of Daesh sympathizers. Malmo, Sweden, is now a hell hole thanks to these vermin. The refugees
fleeing to Russia from Ukraine are mostly normal people who have lost jobs thanks the Kiev regime and who were terrorized by laws like the one
that put people in jail for 10 years for criticizing the government (yes, there is a such a law and it was enacted by the Kiev regime and not some
previously existing law).

The Kiev regime has seen the downsizing of Ukraine's population by over 9 million just from Donbass and Crimea. If we were to believe
that the population was 45 million in 2013, then it is now 36 million. But there is a brain drain as real jobs disappear since the regime is
killing off high tech industries (e.g. Antonov now basically has no orders, multiple military contractors have no customers either). Under
the economic collapse triggered by the coup in 2014 and the regime's insane policies, the birth rate must be collapsing (just as it did during
the 1990s). So Ukraine will have less than 30 million people in a few years. And unlike all the BS forecasts for Russia's demographic
implosion, the forecasts for Ukraine are grim and realistic. It will not crawl out of the current hole in the next 10 years and likely 20-30 years
since the current collapse is as bad as the 1990s and comes on top of only a partial recovery from the 1990s collapse. Ukraine will be
lucky to have 20 million people in 30 years. Of course, if the EU manages to dump its muslim problem into Ukraine then we have a different
scenario, but then we are not talking about Ukraine anymore.

kvs wrote:

That is not relevant for Fukushima. The meltdowns happened because there was no backup power. Not because there was operator
failure to route power from elsewhere in time.

So, no.
The BWR reactors has two hours time before the start of the core meltdown, the PWR ( like the VVER-440/213 ) has 24 hours in the event of the fall of all active cooling circuit.
Additionaly the BWR emergency cooling mechanism is quite complicated, and the PWR is quite simple.

Means that in Fukushima they had 2 hours to collect analyse the situation, make a plan and implement it.

It similar full loss of power happens in a VVER-440/213 then the operators have close to one day to figure out what to do.

First case the best enginering team should fail, second case even me can fix the issue with part bought at the local hardware shop.

kvs wrote:
You are confusing sodium fires on exposure to water with criticality of the core. These have nothing do with each other in an unpressurized
vat design. Gravity keeps the sodium in the "pool" and since the combustion is non-explosive there will be a long time before enough of the sodium
burns off to compromise the core. We are talking weeks. Any country planning to operate nuclear reactors can't go on a multi-week coffee break
and sodium reactors will have fire suppression measures like dumping halon or CO2 into the reactor room. You can see from the BN-800 layout
that exposure to water would require some terrorist to fire an RPG into one of the sodium pipes and then open up a fire hose with water on it.

Again,no.

The BN-600/800 fast neutron reactor, means that parts of the core can go critical if receive moderator.
It include like transportation of the fuel, storage of the fuel assemblies and so on.

And of course in worst case complete fuel meltdown, if the fuel mix up with the ground water.

kvs wrote:
Americans like to wank themselves silly with such talk. Too bad they can't be bothered to build a prototype plant. What are they waiting
for? These things don't get brought to market in a few years. They require decades of validation and debugging experience. These
claims of superior design while remaining vapourware smell of BS to me.

?
No one from the nuclear five ( including russia) spent any money for molten salt since the NP treatry .

Simply because the molten salt is very good and safe, and easy to utilise to make bomb material without any chance to catch the country.

while we are on the topic

Rosatom chief outlines commercial vision

http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/C-Rosatom-chief-outlines-commercial-vision-08031701.html

russia has conventional vver high presure light water programe , and then breeder programe with fast neutron reactors - liqid metal - sodium (built) , and liquid lead from military.

The bad news: Russia new vehicle sales dropped 4% in February.

The good news: Sales of LADA increased 5%, UAZ increased 13% and GAZ increased by 4%

https://www.autostat.ru/news/29282/

http://theduran.com/russias-inflation-better-central-bank-target/

Alexander Mercouris: Russia’s inflation fall exceeds Central Bank target

Russian inflation rate plunges to 4.5%, opening the way to cuts in interest rates and higher growth this year.

Rosstat, Russia’s state statistical agency, is reporting that the annualised inflation rate in Russia has now fallen to 4.5%, with Russia recording increasingly frequently weeks of zero inflation during the winter months.

This is most unusual.  Normally the inflation rate rises in Russia in the winter and falls in the summer.  The fact that Russia is now regularly recording weeks of zero inflation even in winter shows that inflation in Russia is falling faster than anyone (myself included) expected.

Suffice to say that less than a year ago the Russian Central Bank was predicting that inflation in Russia would not fall to 5% before April and would finally hit the 4% target at the end of the year.  Inflation has instead fallen to 4.5% less than midway through March, with some forecasts now predicting it will hit the 4% target by mid-year.  Indeed there is now a serious possibility that inflation for the whole year could significantly over-shoot the Central Bank’s target and fall significantly below 4%.

This plunge in inflation is crucial for the economy’s future.  As I have repeatedly pointed out, it is the sky high interest rates (currently 10%) the Central Bank has been imposing to achieve the 4% inflation target which caused Russian economic growth to slow from mid 2012.  Far more than low oil prices it is these high interest rates which are continuing to hold the economy back.  There is a direct historic correlation between the rise of Russian interest rates since the Central Bank began serious inflation targeting in 2012, the decline in inflation in Russia, and the fall in Russia’s GDP growth rate, even if most commentators are blind to it and even if the Central Bank itself downplays it.  I have discussed all this in detail previously here.

What this means is that the sooner and faster inflation falls, the sooner the Central Bank will start to cut interest rates, and the more Russia’s GDP growth rate will increase.

If inflation really does fall to an annualised rate of 4% by mid-year then even the inflation hawks in the Central Bank will most probably finally come to accept that a Central Bank lending rate of 10% is too high, in which case interest rates will start to come down faster, and Russia’s economy will start to grow more quickly, than even the most optimistic forecasts have been predicting.

Kimppis wrote:http://theduran.com/russias-inflation-better-central-bank-target/

Alexander Mercouris: Russia’s inflation fall exceeds Central Bank target

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If inflation really does fall to an annualised rate of 4% by mid-year then even the inflation hawks in the Central Bank will most probably finally come to accept that a Central Bank lending rate of 10% is too high, in which case interest rates will start to come down faster, and Russia’s economy will start to grow more quickly, than even the most optimistic forecasts have been predicting.

What was the target of the CB/govrment?

Redistribution of wealth from the workers to the businesses?

Kill credit addicted businesses?

Kimppis wrote:http://theduran.com/russias-inflation-better-central-bank-target/

Alexander Mercouris: Russia’s inflation fall exceeds Central Bank target

Russian inflation rate plunges to 4.5%, opening the way to cuts in interest rates and higher growth this year.

Rosstat, Russia’s state statistical agency, is reporting that the annualised inflation rate in Russia has now fallen to 4.5%, with Russia recording increasingly frequently weeks of zero inflation during the winter months.

This is most unusual.  Normally the inflation rate rises in Russia in the winter and falls in the summer.  The fact that Russia is now regularly recording weeks of zero inflation even in winter shows that inflation in Russia is falling faster than anyone (myself included) expected.

Suffice to say that less than a year ago the Russian Central Bank was predicting that inflation in Russia would not fall to 5% before April and would finally hit the 4% target at the end of the year.  Inflation has instead fallen to 4.5% less than midway through March, with some forecasts now predicting it will hit the 4% target by mid-year.  Indeed there is now a serious possibility that inflation for the whole year could significantly over-shoot the Central Bank’s target and fall significantly below 4%.

This plunge in inflation is crucial for the economy’s future.  As I have repeatedly pointed out, it is the sky high interest rates (currently 10%) the Central Bank has been imposing to achieve the 4% inflation target which caused Russian economic growth to slow from mid 2012.  Far more than low oil prices it is these high interest rates which are continuing to hold the economy back.  There is a direct historic correlation between the rise of Russian interest rates since the Central Bank began serious inflation targeting in 2012, the decline in inflation in Russia, and the fall in Russia’s GDP growth rate, even if most commentators are blind to it and even if the Central Bank itself downplays it.  I have discussed all this in detail previously here.

What this means is that the sooner and faster inflation falls, the sooner the Central Bank will start to cut interest rates, and the more Russia’s GDP growth rate will increase.

If inflation really does fall to an annualised rate of 4% by mid-year then even the inflation hawks in the Central Bank will most probably finally come to accept that a Central Bank lending rate of 10% is too high, in which case interest rates will start to come down faster, and Russia’s economy will start to grow more quickly, than even the most optimistic forecasts have been predicting.

I like Mercouris but here he is just spouting nonsense. Faking an inflation rate by brutal credit contraction such as what the CBR has been doing is
BAD for the economy. Since it is not a natural, quasi-equilibrium decline, there will be the inevitable overshoot and it will rebound. So I fully
expect the inflation rate to start climbing fast as soon as the CBR reduces its rates to let's say 5% (a dream). Theses f*cks at the CBR are the sole
source of both the inevitable inflation disaster and the criminal policy of maintaining the prime lending rate at 10.5% even when the inflation was below
8% for two years. The prime lending rate should have been 6% during this time.

Putin has failed big in dealing with the economic sabotage at the CBR. He should have organized a regime change at the CBR. People always talk about
checks and balances. Well, the CBR has none. It has been taken over by monetarist loons who are proving that they are also 5th columnists.