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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  kvs on Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:49 pm

    BKP wrote:Turks aren't digging it:

    Breaking: Turkish regime summons Iranian, Russian ambassadors after Syrian Army gains in Idlib
    By Leith Fadel - 09/01/2018

    https://mobile.almasdarnews.com/article/breaking-turkish-regime-summons-iranian-russian-ambassadors-syrian-army-gains-idlib/

    Erdo-turd's regime is trying to act like Israel. A special, above the law regime that can dictate what happens inside foreign countries.
    Russia should summon the Turdkish ambassador and tell him to pack his bags.
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:55 pm

    The Iranian's and Russians will state that if the "de-escalation" zone is carrying terrorists, it isn't part of the de-escalation zone and that whatever regions that Turkey deems as de-escalation zones but is not backed by the other groups, is classified as fair game.

    This isn't going to work in Turkey's favor of course.
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  JohninMK on Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:03 pm

    Turkey's big problem is that it now has large numbers of uninvited terrorists streaming across its border, fleeing from the SAA. It desperately wants it to stop as it would find it difficult to export them to the EU. They should have put their defences on this border not the northern Syria one.

    It was called called poetic justice, now its blowback..
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  calm on Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:44 am

    SAA is advancing this fast because Turkey is keeping all "moderate" groups on the leash in Idlib, they are not resisting to SAA. HTS ignored Turkish warning and ended up fighting back against SAA around Khanesser, that resulted in a series of assasinations of head figures of the group in Idlib. Work of Turkey's MIT. Reason behind this is, if Turkey do not follow the deal neither will Russia. If that happened Turkey will have problem with the Kurds. In return Turkey got that part of land south of Afrin, but they are still not allowed to attack, because they need to fulfil the deal in full.Same happened in Aleppo. First they ordered all militants to retreat, after all were finished they got a green light to invade north Syria. Al Bab was overstretched, possible Turkish violation of deal. For now Idlib is out of the equation, we will see about Fua and Kefraya and west neighbourhoods of Aleppo where HTS is still present.


    Rebels have left the entire al-#Hoss plateau area due to positions becoming untenable in face of new frontlines. Hundreds of km2 will most likely be abandoned to advancing pro-gov forces.
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  calm on Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:00 am

    Eliah back at it again
    https://elijahjm.wordpress.com/2018/01/10/turkey-has-its-eye-on-afrin-what-is-damascuss-position-difficult-challenges/
    For more than six months, Turkey has been waving the flag of war over the Syrian-Kurdish city of Afrin (in the north-west) pouring in so far over 15,000 men and their equipment (artillery, logistics, medics, ammunition) these last few months. These preparations for war are apparently directed towards the Kurdish People’s Protection Units (Yekîneyên Parastina Gel – YPG), the Syrian branch of the PKK, Turkey’s fiercest enemy, of course. But what are positions of Russia and of the Damascus government towards the bellicose Turkish plans?

    There is no doubt that Damascus is in an uncomfortable position regarding both the Kurds and the Turks. It is clear that the Syrian government sees in the Kurds a major threat due to the US’s support to the Syrian Kurdish militia (YPG) in the north-east of the country. These are used by the US forces to dislodge the “Islamic State” group (ISIS) and to achieve Washington’s interests and objectives in the Levant.

    The Syrian President Bashar al-Assad also sees in Turkey yet another occupation force in the north of Syria, similar to the US forces: he would like to liberate the entire Syrian territory, contrary to Russia, which would prefer to end the war as quickly as possible and start negotiating around the table.

    However, it must be said that the Turkish intervention in the north of Syria saved the country from what seemed an inevitable partition when the Kurds were heading from al-Hasaka towards Afrin to form a new Kurdish state along the Turkish-Syrian borders, supported, in addition, by the US. The Americans were looking for a large and stable military base (there are over 10 US temporary bases in al-Hasaka) in a non-hostile environment and among submissive populations and armed group, the YPG. In fact, the Turkish intervention was a necessity for Ankara itself and for its national security (categorically rejecting a Kurdish state on its borders that would fuel dangerously the eagerness of 16 million Kurds living in Turkey for an independent state). Therefore, Damascus’s and Ankara’s interests met in this same objective: to prevent a Kurdish enclave ruled by the US on Syrian territory.

    But Damascus is aware that Ankara is not only aiming to stop a new Kurdish “state” on its border, it has a much larger appetite as regards Syria, and has had from the beginning of the war. When Turkey failed to see its ideological religious militants at the head of the government in Damascus, its eyes went towards Aleppo, the Syrian industrial city: this is where all the pro-Turkish Syrian militants were highly active at the end of the first year of war, dismantling giant plants to be smuggled and re-assembled in Turkey. In fact it was in 2012, a year after the beginning of the uprising, that pro-Turkish Syrian militants from rural Aleppo and Idlib had marched towards the industrial capital and dragged it into the war.

    Certainly the inability of Damascus’s army to be engaged on multiple fronts simultaneously forced it to recover cities by order of priority and therefore it aimed for the most dangerous enemy in the first years of the war. Assad wanted to recover all main cities first, secure the capital, and to move onward towards Aleppo. When the Syrian Army and its allies liberated the Syrian industrial city of Aleppo, the Turkish dream fell apart, at least partially: the loss of Aleppo was compensated by the occupation of several other cities in the north of Syria still, to date, under Turkish direct control and influence.

    However, Turkey did complain to the US regarding its intentions in Syria and its support to its Kurdish proxies, the enemies of Ankara. The US Defense Secretary James Mattis was very clear: US cooperation with the Kurds was not a question of choice but a necessity imposed by circumstances and the need to fight ISIS. It seems the Kurds were happy to be used by the US, and aware of being dropped later on. There is no doubt that the US won’t support the Kurds against its Turkish strategic alliance, particularly when Russia is so close and waiting to deprive Washington of its Turkish ally at the first false step.

    Nevertheless, the Turkish presence and expansion in the north of Syria is deeply worrying to Damascus. Without Turkey, the US would no doubt seize a chunk of Syria. Yet with Turkey occupying Syrian territory (al-Bab, Jarablus, Azaz, Dabiq), Ankara is transforming the north into a Turkish enclave, imposing a governor, the Turkish language and a large military base.

    For Damascus, the larger and most significant danger therefore comes more from the US than from Turkey. The Americans are allowing the Kurds to control 39,500 sq km (23% of the Syrian territory) and large reserves of oil and gas. Moreover, the US forces are offering protection to what remained of ISIS forces: they have allowed thousands of terrorists to leave via Turkey and to remain east of the Euphrates (the US is preventing the Syrian Army, its allies and Russia from crossing the river to eliminate ISIS), and therefore to represent a direct threat to Syria and its allies- especially when the time is coming to liberate the Syrian Golan Heights and attack the US’s first ally, Israel.

    Assad has a dilemma, although his position is very clear: all Syrian territories must be liberated. The problem is, how to deal with two strong occupiers? Assad is certainly willing to resume fighting – especially now that he enjoys the upper hand and that the Syrian Army is growing very fast. Nevertheless, Russia is unwilling to continue the war, but is ready to eliminate al-Qaeda and its allies around Idlib since the city itself has been given to Turkey’s administration in Sochi following a de-escalation agreement. Assad also believes he has enough Syrian resistance forces, mirroring the Lebanese Hezbollah, who have sufficient training and readiness to start an insurgency against all occupation forces when the time comes.



    According to Assad – and according to a close contact within his inner circle – Syria can free the north-east of Syria even if this takes many years. Assad observed the result of Hezbollah’s resistance in Lebanon following the 1982 Israeli invasion, and how, in the year 2000, Israel retreated unilaterally and unconditionally from most of the occupied territory in the south of Lebanon. Moreover, the Syrian President believes Ankara failed to overwhelm ISIS, and that only by common agreement was it possible to secure the militants’ withdrawal. According to Assad, the Syrian Armed forces (not only the regular Army) employ today thousands of Syrian nationals who have enough training (thanks to six years of war) to turn the north of Syria into hell on earth for both sets of occupying forces. And lastly, as long as the Kurds are hiding behind the US’s skirts, the Kurds of al-Hasaka will be considered traitors by Damascus.

    Assad knows there are Kurds who support the Syrian government in Aleppo, Afrin and even al-Hasaka. The Syrian Army still maintains, along with its allies, a substantial force in the Kurdish province, not far from the US presence.

    For now, Assad’s priority is to secure a large safety perimeter around Damascus and also around the principal Aleppo-Hama-Homs main road. The national Syrian resistance can manifest only when the country recovers, which will be slowly, and makes a start on rebuilding the devastating damage caused by the war, whose cost is estimated at over 300 billion dollars.

    Assad can only call for both the Turkish and US forces to pull out, stating the official Syrian position. He can limit al-Qaeda to within Idlib, and cut the grass under its feet in the north of the country by allowing Turkey to try and control the city which, Damascus hopes, could eventually create an internal conflict between the jihadists themselves and the pro-Turkish Syrian groups. *(he means about Idlib)*

    Russia is present in Afrin and is not expected to give a free hand to Turkey to occupy the city and withdraw from it. Russia doesn’t want further demographic shifts and is aiming to end the war, moving towards a political negotiation, including all parties. Russia doesn’t want to support forces in the south of Syria, nor beyond the Euphrates (under the US control) but is happy to clean up most of Idlib’s surrounding area.

    The post-war – even with some fronts that are still active – can be expected to be much more difficult than the war itself. Many interests intertwine, and two strong countries – Turkey and Iran – have forces in Syria, as well as two superpower countries (Russia and the US), and will require navigating between these, taking into consideration the interests of the “axis of the resistance”- plus Israeli nervousness. Diving into peace negotiations, uniting rebel groups that were split for all the years of war, reconstructing the damaged country and its infrastructure, and achieving reconciliation among Syrians are all near impossible tasks for any Syrian government to face this year 2018.
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  eehnie on Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:36 am

    kvs wrote:
    BKP wrote:Turks aren't digging it:

    Breaking: Turkish regime summons Iranian, Russian ambassadors after Syrian Army gains in Idlib
    By Leith Fadel - 09/01/2018

    https://mobile.almasdarnews.com/article/breaking-turkish-regime-summons-iranian-russian-ambassadors-syrian-army-gains-idlib/

    Erdo-turd's regime is trying to act like Israel.    A special, above the law regime that can dictate what happens inside foreign countries.
    Russia should summon the Turdkish ambassador and tell him to pack his bags.  

    The attitude of Turkey has been obvious since the begin.

    And Russia knows it. We saw it in Sochi.
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  calm on Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:50 am

    miketheterrible wrote:The Iranian's and Russians will state that if the "de-escalation" zone is carrying terrorists, it isn't part of the de-escalation zone and that whatever regions that Turkey deems as de-escalation zones but is not backed by the other groups, is classified as fair game.

    This isn't going to work in Turkey's favor of course.

    looks like they thought that HTC will stay and fight, and SAA will finish them off in 2017, with only moderates will left for next Astana. Now with HTC in full run mode, they will end up in Idlib fighting over power with rest of the groups. SAA should wait and watch.

    From that Eliah analisis i posted earlier.

    He(Assad) can limit al-Qaeda to within Idlib, and cut the grass under its feet in the north of the country by allowing Turkey to try and control the city which, Damascus hopes, could eventually create an internal conflict between the jihadists themselves and the pro-Turkish Syrian groups. *(he means about Idlib)*

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  ATLASCUB on Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:11 pm

    See not what Turkey says, but what Turkey does.

    Turkey doesn't need to summon anyone to complain. Erdo can pick the phone and talk about it with Putin if it was that urgent. A little PR to calm some restless rebel groups? Probably likely. Gotta sell the sellout well and keep appearances among the diehards of the cause.
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  eehnie on Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:21 pm

    ATLASCUB wrote:See not what Turkey says, but what Turkey does.

    Just right.

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  par far on Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:01 pm

    "SYRIAN WAR REPORT – JANUARY 10, 2018: MILITANTS’ DEFENSE COLLAPSES IN SOUTHERN IDLIB."

    Good to see those missiles being intercepted.



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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  JohninMK on Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:41 pm


    Ivan Sidorenko
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    #Syria #Idlib #Idleb ANY REPORTS OF #SAA STORMING OR CAPTURING ANYWHERE CLOSE TO Abu Duhur Airbase IS COMPLETE FALSE - NEW MAP FROM #Tiger_Forces Shaheen Group Commander released MINUTES AGO with a report that says they are 4 - 5 KM AWAY FROM THE AIRBASE (Report being translated)
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  Cyberspec on Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:22 pm

    It's only a matter of time now....it's a pretty impressive advance. I thought Al-Queda and friends would put up more of a fight
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  zorobabel on Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:17 am

    calm wrote:SAA is advancing this fast because Turkey is keeping all "moderate" groups on the leash in Idlib, they are not resisting to SAA. HTS ignored Turkish warning and ended up fighting back against SAA around Khanesser, that resulted in a series of assasinations of head figures of the group in Idlib. Work of Turkey's MIT. Reason behind this is, if Turkey do not follow the deal neither will Russia. If that happened Turkey will have problem with the Kurds. In return Turkey got that part of land south of Afrin, but they are still not allowed to attack, because they need to fulfil the deal in full.Same happened in Aleppo. First they ordered all militants to retreat, after all were finished they got a green light to invade north Syria. Al Bab was overstretched, possible Turkish violation of deal. For now Idlib is out of the equation, we will see about Fua and Kefraya and west neighbourhoods of Aleppo where HTS is still present.


    Rebels have left the entire al-#Hoss plateau area due to positions becoming untenable in face of new frontlines. Hundreds of km2 will most likely be abandoned to advancing pro-gov forces.
    The Turkish regime ordered the rebel counterattack today. The terrorists were heavily armed with Turkish-supplied weapons, including LAWs and armoured vehicles

    https://twitter.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/951415388520280064
    https://twitter.com/OmerOzkizilcik/status/951421414212603911

    Surprised to see Turkey providing open support in this way to the rebels

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  ATLASCUB on Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:32 pm

    Sending diehards to their graves? No one can really attribute this to the Turks other than conjecture due to links and armament used which we all know was provided a while ago and would eventually be used in any operation in Idlib....

    BUT, if indeed it's the Turks giving the go-ahead, the fact is this changes nothing and sooner or later these clowns will need to be erased off-the-map. So, what better way than send the jihadist to a sure defeat in a hasty, ill-prepared counter-offensive that will achieve nothing but failure - as has been reported already?

    If I were the Turks with a problem in my hands (that is, unruly retards dreaming of jihad) then I would give them enough rope to hang themselves at opportune moments while keeping control and appearances to shape the outcome as I see fit - that's, a controlled-managed defeat.

    Putin on the tube saying the attacks on Hmeimim airbase done by a foreign power looking to undermine relations with partner Turkey...

    https://ria.ru/syria/20180111/1512459824.html

    Not to mention the possibility of a tussle going on between intelligence services for the allegiance of these groups. Turkey has nothing to gain long-term from supporting these clowns and the Turks know that. They already made a mistake, it blew up in their face..... they're not going to double down now. The Turks have a massive problem going forward with these jihadi's.


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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:45 pm

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    Last call before closing time Cool


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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  ATLASCUB on Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:06 pm

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4706015/leave-syria#

    The president has committed as a matter of strategy that WE WILL NOT LEAVE SYRIA. We are not going to declare victory and Go. That's not my opinion, that's the president's strategic judgement. We're going to stay for several reasons: stabilization and assistance in the vital North and NorthEast, protection of our allies, the Syrian Democratic Forces who have fought so valiantly against ISIS in the NorthEast. Try to work to help transform the political structures in that area to a model for the rest of Syria and capable of being credibly represented in a new Syrian state, but for other reasons as well; including countering Iran and its ability to enhance its presence in Syria. And serving as a weight, a force, able to help us achieve some of those broader objectives we've been speaking about.

    Someone's seen eehniee around?

    On a serious note. Someone's gotta force them to leave. They won't leave by themselves.....they only understand strength, anything else they perceive as weakness - talk, threats etc. Blood, bullets and costs - easy language.
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  eehnie on Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:08 pm

    ATLASCUB wrote:https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4706015/leave-syria#

    The president has committed as a matter of strategy that WE WILL NOT LEAVE SYRIA. We are not going to declare victory and Go. That's not my opinion, that's the president's strategic judgement. We're going to stay for several reasons: stabilization and assistance in the vital North and NorthEast, protection of our allies, the Syrian Democratic Forces who have fought so valiantly against ISIS in the NorthEast. Try to work to help transform the political structures in that area to a model for the rest of Syria and capable of being credibly represented in a new Syrian state, but for other reasons as well; including countering Iran and its ability to enhance its presence in Syria. And serving as a weight, a force, able to help us achieve some of those broader objectives we've been speaking about.

    Someone's seen eehniee around?

    On a serious note. Someone's gotta force them to leave. They won't leave by themselves.....they only understand strength, anything else they perceive as weakness - talk, threats etc. Blood, bullets and costs - easy language.

    This is fairly obvious, Israel, the US and Turkey are doing the three the same policy in Syria. Saudi Arabia has been expelled, but the rest of the original enemies of Syria remain. They want to keep their Golans. They want to assure at this point some gains, even desperately, but all them are losing territory, and will continue losing territory.
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  Big_Gazza on Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:32 pm

    Very Happy
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  d_taddei2 on Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:56 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:'
    Last call before closing time Cool


    Can barely keep up with all these map changes loooool.

    Some other news.
    Isis take advantage of Syrian Army offensive targets both HTS and SAA.

    Once this pocket closes it's finally time to eradicate isis no deals just death.
    https://mobile.almasdarnews.com/article/isis-takes-advantage-syrian-armys-idlib-offensive-stage-big-assault/

    Article stating they expect pocket and adu dhur to closed in 48hrs
    https://mobile.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-inches-closer-besieging-southeast-idlib-map/


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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  KiloGolf on Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:03 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:Isis take advantage of Syrian Army offensive targets both HTS and SAA.

    More like HTS fled south joined IS and lead whatever IS leftovers, up north against SAA, in a last ditch effort to save themselves.
    It's not going to work.

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  ATLASCUB on Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:46 pm

    More on the airbase attack by Putin:

    https://www.rt.com/news/415641-putin-syria-base-attack-turkey/

    “Those were provocations aimed at disrupting the earlier agreements, in the first place. Secondly, it was about our relations with our partners – Turkey and Iran. It was also an attempt to destroy those relations.” “We have a perfect understanding of that and will act in solidarity.”
    “There were provocateurs there, but they were not Turks.”“We know who they are. We know whom and how much they paid for these provocations.”
    “We know when and where those unmanned aerial vehicles were handed over and how many there were.”“Those aircraft were only camouflaged – I want to emphasize this – to look like handicraft production. In fact, it is quite obvious that there were elements of high-tech nature there.”

    Before his Thursday meeting with Russian media chiefs, Putin held a phone conversation with his Turkish counterpart Recep Tayyip Erdogan, during which the Khmeimim attacks were discussed. During the conversation, Putin and Erdogan agreed to “intensify the coordination of efforts by the military and special services of the two countries in order to effectively combat terrorist groups in Syria.”
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  Airman on Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:44 am

    zorobabel wrote:
    calm wrote:SAA is advancing this fast because Turkey is keeping all "moderate" groups on the leash in Idlib, they are not resisting to SAA. HTS ignored Turkish warning and ended up fighting back against SAA around Khanesser, that resulted in a series of assasinations of head figures of the group in Idlib. Work of Turkey's MIT. Reason behind this is, if Turkey do not follow the deal neither will Russia. If that happened Turkey will have problem with the Kurds. In return Turkey got that part of land south of Afrin, but they are still not allowed to attack, because they need to fulfil the deal in full.Same happened in Aleppo. First they ordered all militants to retreat, after all were finished they got a green light to invade north Syria. Al Bab was overstretched, possible Turkish violation of deal. For now Idlib is out of the equation, we will see about Fua and Kefraya and west neighbourhoods of Aleppo where HTS is still present.


    Rebels have left the entire al-#Hoss plateau area due to positions becoming untenable in face of new frontlines. Hundreds of km2 will most likely be abandoned to advancing pro-gov forces.
    The Turkish regime ordered the rebel counterattack today. The terrorists were heavily armed with Turkish-supplied weapons, including LAWs and armoured vehicles

    https://twitter.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/951415388520280064
    https://twitter.com/OmerOzkizilcik/status/951421414212603911

    Surprised to see Turkey providing open support in this way to the rebels

    Those vehicles are Minerva Panthera F9. Build by United Arab Emirates. There are no such vehicles in Turkish Armed Forces ınventory.
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  Cyberspec on Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:36 am

    Interesting footage in the link below...

    E. #Damascus:
    first #HTS footage from #Harasta battle shows a rare sniper's shot taking out a #Konkurs launcher on top of Irrigation Ministry.
    https://twitter.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/951453783933976576
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  calm on Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:54 am

    Airman wrote:

    Those vehicles are Minerva Panthera F9. Build by United Arab Emirates. There are no such vehicles in Turkish Armed Forces ınventory.

    Turkey is the only country bordering Idlib. Turkey is responsible for this crimes, again.
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:11 am

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    Drone attacks, armoured vehicles, political noise in media and all that crap are just usual distraction to take away steam from SAA offensive

    It can all be sorted out later, what matters now is that offensive keeps going and that massive amounts of territory are retaken

    Everything else is white noise just like those Israeli airstkes during previous offensives, ignore the background noise and focus on achieving objectives

    These random irelevant details pale in comparison to retaking entire province

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