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    nastle77

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    Soviet Air Defence Forces (PVO)

    Post  nastle77 on Wed Jul 29, 2015 1:44 am

    Does anybody know how many S-300 launchers were operational at the end of the cold war in the late 80s ?
    I have read number of 80 - 85 launchers but it did not list a source ( it was the "essential weapon identification guide" series)
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    Post  Viktor on Thu May 26, 2016 8:40 pm

    nastle77 wrote:Does anybody know how many S-300 launchers were operational at the end of the cold war in the late 80s ?
    I have read number of 80 - 85 launchers but it did not list a source ( it was the "essential weapon identification guide" series)

    1500-2000 launchers or 200 - 250 operational baterries - that includes S-300V and S-300P series.
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    Could the PVO have destroyed massed XB-70 attacks in the early 60s?

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Mon Aug 07, 2017 11:40 am

    That is lets say 4 years before the MiG-25 finished testing. Lets say the US procured around 150 XB-70s , and 80 of them go on a massed nuclear attack at Mach 3 against the USSR at around 17000m. Are there any soviet fighters and missiles that could've reliably destroyed them? And don't tell me about MAD, I'm specifically asking if the USSR could destroy XB-70s, not if they could retaliate.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Aug 08, 2017 4:31 am

    Do you think if they could they might not have cancelled them (XB-70s) in the first place?

    If they had managed to build 150 B-70s then they would not have needed the Vietnam war to spend all that excess money they had...

    Flying high and straight is no way to penetrate an enemy air defence network... they do communicate with each other via radio so approaching over the north pole means all Soviet airfields would be alerted and all SAM sites would also be alerted.

    They only ended up building one or two and one managed to crash into a chase plane... they tested them through the 1960s so the very idea they might have a viable force of 150 aircraft in the 1960s is a joke.

    From wiki:

    At two secret meetings on 16 and 18 November 1959, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Air Force General Twining, recommended the Air Force's plan for the B-70 to reconnoiter and strike rail-mobile Soviet ICBMs, but the Chief of Staff of the Air Force, General White, admitted the Soviets would "be able to hit the B-70 with rockets" and requested the B-70 be downgraded to "a bare minimum research and development program" at $200 million for fiscal year 1960. President Eisenhower responded that the reconnaissance and strike mission was "crazy" since the nuclear mission was to attack known production and military complexes, and emphasized that he saw no need for the B-70 since the ICBM is "a cheaper, more effective way of doing the same thing". Eisenhower also identified that the B-70 would not be in manufacturing until "eight to ten years from now" and "said he thought we were talking about bows and arrows at a time of gunpowder when we spoke of bombers in the missile age"


    So even the US didn't think they could get B-70s operational till the 1970s and even in 1960s thought they would be vulnerable to SAMs.


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    During the cold war, how did the soviets plan to use their various kind of SAMs? their tactics

    Post  nastle77 on Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:40 pm

    During the cold war, how did the soviets plan to use their various kind of SAMs? their tactics
    Is there any article /book in english that covers this ?
    e.g were SA-4 only at a divisional level
    SA-6 and SA-8 at battalion level accompanying mobile units
    SA-9 and SA-7 with mechanized  infantry
    and the SA-5 /SA-10 defended strategic sites only like rocket and airbases etc

    any info is appreciated
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:30 am

    Different branches had different SAM types and different focuses.

    The PVO strany or air defence forces were tasked with defending all of Soviet airspace... a pretty tall order of course due to the size and low population density of lots of areas.

    The Army and Navy used different systems and were mainly interested in controlling the airspace above their forces at any one time.

    The SA-1, SA-2, SA-3 and SA-5 were large fixed systems with no mobility in missiles or radar.

    The SA-4 and SA-6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21, and 22 were mobile and able to fire from short stops.

    Different systems had different battle management setups, which could control groups of missiles and manage engagements.
    Later systems tended to net in smaller systems to defend the larger systems from attack while the large system destroyed the aircraft launching the attack, the smaller systems would defend against any munitions fired.


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    Re: Soviet Air Defence Forces (PVO)

    Post  nastle77 on Thu Aug 31, 2017 1:48 pm

    Can you recommend a good source in English language that goes over the organization and the deployment of the different surface-to-air missile systems of the Soviet era
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    Re: Soviet Air Defence Forces (PVO)

    Post  franco on Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:03 pm

    nastle77 wrote:Can you recommend a good source in English language that goes over the organization and the deployment of the different surface-to-air missile systems of the Soviet era

    See if this helps... http://www.ausairpower.net/sams-iads.html

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    Post  nastle77 on Wed Sep 06, 2017 5:19 am

    Thanks a lot

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