Syrian War: News #13

eehnie wrote:

Militarov wrote:

eehnie wrote:Well, No-Fly Zone has been officially stablished for the US and allies in most of the Syrian territory.

And has been stablished with the explicit compromise of Russia of enforcing it.

Russia and Syria would not do it if they would not be ready to do it at this point.

Of course the tricks of the US trying to dress their employees of Kurds worked not.

Syria cant enforce no fly zone over two blocks of Damascus, let alone Syria lol

Fairly wrong. Fairly silly comment that put yourself in the right place. Selfdamage.

Militarov wrote:

eehnie wrote:

Militarov wrote:

eehnie wrote:Well, No-Fly Zone has been officially stablished for the US and allies in most of the Syrian territory.

And has been stablished with the explicit compromise of Russia of enforcing it.

Russia and Syria would not do it if they would not be ready to do it at this point.

Of course the tricks of the US trying to dress their employees of Kurds worked not.

Syria cant enforce no fly zone over two blocks of Damascus, let alone Syria lol

Fairly wrong. Fairly silly comment that put yourself in the right place. Selfdamage.

Oh, my bad sorry. Syrian Airforce, best airforce. Go, go power rangers!

miketheterrible wrote:

As said by SOC, even at very long range it is effective.  It was mentioned in 2012 by the developers that 48N6D maximum range is 300km.  You can question it all you want but SOC knows his shit and has been talking about this for almost over a decade on keypublishing forums.  Wish he was still around wherever he is so he can finally put this to rest.  Since the Radar systems would see the targets farther than 400km then the missile would reach its destination quite well.  Within the 300km range of the 48N6D/M and as mentioned, would fly in then turn on its sensors at near last minute giving no time for the jets to circumvent the launch.

The simple fact that Russia stated they would use both their AF and SAM systems to target and engage aircrafts west of the Euphrates gives indication that they know their own system.  The mentioned range of 48N6E that you mention is based upon export model.  They don't use export of their own hence why it is called E at the end of it.  Add to that, if they knew they couldn't they wouldn't bluff like that AND then pull off the communication structure.  If US didn't believe them, they wouldn't have now eased off their aircrafts to prevent provocation.

JohninMK wrote:

eehnie wrote:

This smell to fake news thousands of Kms.

I suspect that's correct and W-i-B is well known for it. But this article went to a curious level of detail that could have been fed to them but still as rubbish of course. If there had have been more Su-22 it is probable someone would have spotted them and their reaction to their buddy being shot down would have been interesting, unless a sudden command came over the radio "return to base" in Russian. Suspect there will be Mig-23s around next time, assuming the SyAF have enough, otherwise its the RuAF.

Incidently, once the SAA gets to Deir I doubt there will be any problems for the RuAF if they want to use Iran for fuel stopovers again. About time the RuAF big boys laid some more waste.

Militarov wrote:

MiG-23s wont do you much good tho in that fight

Militarov wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

As said by SOC, even at very long range it is effective.  It was mentioned in 2012 by the developers that 48N6D maximum range is 300km.  You can question it all you want but SOC knows his shit and has been talking about this for almost over a decade on keypublishing forums.  Wish he was still around wherever he is so he can finally put this to rest.  Since the Radar systems would see the targets farther than 400km then the missile would reach its destination quite well.  Within the 300km range of the 48N6D/M and as mentioned, would fly in then turn on its sensors at near last minute giving no time for the jets to circumvent the launch.

The simple fact that Russia stated they would use both their AF and SAM systems to target and engage aircrafts west of the Euphrates gives indication that they know their own system.  The mentioned range of 48N6E that you mention is based upon export model.  They don't use export of their own hence why it is called E at the end of it.  Add to that, if they knew they couldn't they wouldn't bluff like that AND then pull off the communication structure.  If US didn't believe them, they wouldn't have now eased off their aircrafts to prevent provocation.

And who is he exactly to put anything to rest lol? Seriously...stop being retarded fanboy. Most of your posts are just braindamaging, do you ever stay aside and read your posts like you read someones else posts? None ever, with any legit source, claimed that 48N6D or any variant of it (as there were few developments) was fielded with 300km range. Just because someone, somewhere posted shit on forum...doesnt make it true. Learn to filter BS, plausible claims and truth.

You missed seeing that i included both domestic and export variant in my statement, not only E. I am not moron i know what i am saying.

Also you have very, twisted image of what maximum range means. It doesnt mean you can hit target 300km away, let alone attack target that is forming with its path tangent line for maximum range. That is just absurd. If you want some drawing or math i am very happy to provide.

And please dont go into guidance methods i will vomit, seriously. Stop claiming to understand things you never even saw irl.

PapaDragon wrote:

calm wrote:

CNN: US F-15E fighter jet shoots down Iranian-made Shahed 129 pro-regime drone in Syria; was armed and in firing range of US troops

https://twitter.com/CNNnewsroom/status/877158038993424384

Father the Lout is getting desperate to start trouble lately

Best response would be for SAA to grab some more of that sweet territory from ISIS and rebels

Mother wants that alimony moneyz

Isos wrote:Does someone have numbers of naval units and fighter jets, awacs of US forces around Syria ? And those of Ru forces ? Can someone summerize it ?

miketheterrible wrote:

Militarov wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

As said by SOC, even at very long range it is effective.  It was mentioned in 2012 by the developers that 48N6D maximum range is 300km.  You can question it all you want but SOC knows his shit and has been talking about this for almost over a decade on keypublishing forums.  Wish he was still around wherever he is so he can finally put this to rest.  Since the Radar systems would see the targets farther than 400km then the missile would reach its destination quite well.  Within the 300km range of the 48N6D/M and as mentioned, would fly in then turn on its sensors at near last minute giving no time for the jets to circumvent the launch.

The simple fact that Russia stated they would use both their AF and SAM systems to target and engage aircrafts west of the Euphrates gives indication that they know their own system.  The mentioned range of 48N6E that you mention is based upon export model.  They don't use export of their own hence why it is called E at the end of it.  Add to that, if they knew they couldn't they wouldn't bluff like that AND then pull off the communication structure.  If US didn't believe them, they wouldn't have now eased off their aircrafts to prevent provocation.

And who is he exactly to put anything to rest lol? Seriously...stop being retarded fanboy. Most of your posts are just braindamaging, do you ever stay aside and read your posts like you read someones else posts? None ever, with any legit source, claimed that 48N6D or any variant of it (as there were few developments) was fielded with 300km range. Just because someone, somewhere posted shit on forum...doesnt make it true. Learn to filter BS, plausible claims and truth.

You missed seeing that i included both domestic and export variant in my statement, not only E. I am not moron i know what i am saying.

Also you have very, twisted image of what maximum range means. It doesnt mean you can hit target 300km away, let alone attack target that is forming with its path tangent line for maximum range. That is just absurd. If you want some drawing or math i am very happy to provide.

And please dont go into guidance methods i will vomit, seriously. Stop claiming to understand things you never even saw irl.

strong words from someone who made quite retarded comments in the past. If SOC is still around, ill let him tell you. Maybe if TR1 ever comes back.

And what is your experience with 48N6? Nothing? Figured so.

So please, save your drivel for someone else. Not like I take your opinion seriously.  But please, keep telling how I'm wrong. Seems the Russians themselves are fine with their statements and if you want to say they are bluffing, then that is fine. But like I said, the Americans took it seriously. Even though you think they can't strike past 250Km

Militarov wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

Militarov wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

As said by SOC, even at very long range it is effective.  It was mentioned in 2012 by the developers that 48N6D maximum range is 300km.  You can question it all you want but SOC knows his shit and has been talking about this for almost over a decade on keypublishing forums.  Wish he was still around wherever he is so he can finally put this to rest.  Since the Radar systems would see the targets farther than 400km then the missile would reach its destination quite well.  Within the 300km range of the 48N6D/M and as mentioned, would fly in then turn on its sensors at near last minute giving no time for the jets to circumvent the launch.

The simple fact that Russia stated they would use both their AF and SAM systems to target and engage aircrafts west of the Euphrates gives indication that they know their own system.  The mentioned range of 48N6E that you mention is based upon export model.  They don't use export of their own hence why it is called E at the end of it.  Add to that, if they knew they couldn't they wouldn't bluff like that AND then pull off the communication structure.  If US didn't believe them, they wouldn't have now eased off their aircrafts to prevent provocation.

And who is he exactly to put anything to rest lol? Seriously...stop being retarded fanboy. Most of your posts are just braindamaging, do you ever stay aside and read your posts like you read someones else posts? None ever, with any legit source, claimed that 48N6D or any variant of it (as there were few developments) was fielded with 300km range. Just because someone, somewhere posted shit on forum...doesnt make it true. Learn to filter BS, plausible claims and truth.

You missed seeing that i included both domestic and export variant in my statement, not only E. I am not moron i know what i am saying.

Also you have very, twisted image of what maximum range means. It doesnt mean you can hit target 300km away, let alone attack target that is forming with its path tangent line for maximum range. That is just absurd. If you want some drawing or math i am very happy to provide.

And please dont go into guidance methods i will vomit, seriously. Stop claiming to understand things you never even saw irl.

strong words from someone who made quite retarded comments in the past. If SOC is still around, ill let him tell you. Maybe if TR1 ever comes back.

And what is your experience with 48N6? Nothing? Figured so.

So please, save your drivel for someone else. Not like I take your opinion seriously.  But please, keep telling how I'm wrong. Seems the Russians themselves are fine with their statements and if you want to say they are bluffing, then that is fine. But like I said, the Americans took it seriously. Even though you think they can't strike past 250Km

I stand behind all of my comments, liked you them or not, all of them have solid base. Yours i am afraid do not. Oh yes, let him tell me, please

I have very rich general experience with air-defence equpipment. What is your experience with anything related to military? You always somehow skip remembering fact i am military edcuated, you are not.

Yea... because i value your opinion so much

miketheterrible wrote:

mine is entirely based on family members experience with NORAD of the 80's. No direct military myself. Your educated on air defense systems. Wonderful. Ones not used in Serbia might I add?

The feeling is mutual anyway. So you can collectively fuck off if you dont like my views, and views shared by others. I tend to take Sean O Connor at face value even if you don't.

Militarov wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

mine is entirely based on family members experience with NORAD of the 80's. No direct military myself. Your educated on air defense systems. Wonderful. Ones not used in Serbia might I add?

The feeling is mutual anyway. So you can collectively fuck off if you dont like my views, and views shared by others. I tend to take Sean O Connor at face value even if you don't.

Oh please stop insulting our lntelligence please. NORAD , go away now seriously Or actually tell us more, please, we had one already that worked in NASA here, maybe you could join your resources  

Military education provides alot more than training on system you are supposed to work on you know. General knowledge of equipment used by not only your own forces but plausible enemy, allies. You dont need to spend 20 years on S-300PMU2 to know its limitations that appear on every single AD system ever produced, due to things called laws of physics and math.

I am here alot longer than you, there are people around here that met me irl even, i dont need your approval for anything nor i seek for it. Just slight appreciation.

miketheterrible wrote:

Militarov wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

mine is entirely based on family members experience with NORAD of the 80's. No direct military myself. Your educated on air defense systems. Wonderful. Ones not used in Serbia might I add?

The feeling is mutual anyway. So you can collectively fuck off if you dont like my views, and views shared by others. I tend to take Sean O Connor at face value even if you don't.

Oh please stop insulting our lntelligence please. NORAD , go away now seriously Or actually tell us more, please, we had one already that worked in NASA here, maybe you could join your resources  

Military education provides alot more than training on system you are supposed to work on you know. General knowledge of equipment used by not only your own forces but plausible enemy, allies. You dont need to spend 20 years on S-300PMU2 to know its limitations that appear on every single AD system ever produced, due to things called laws of physics and math.

I am here alot longer than you, there are people around here that met me irl even, i dont need your approval for anything nor i seek for it. Just slight appreciation.

northern Winnipeg is called the Dewlines. Figure the rest out. Didn't say I did though. But I don't care if you believe me or not.

Anyway, like you don't believe me, I sure don't believe you. And you are not gonna get appreciation from me so don't worry. Don't want to talk to me or listen to views different than your own? Block me then. As well, I don't know you and don't give a fuck if some other no name on here met you irl. Like you said, it is a forums.

Militarov wrote:

Isos wrote:Does someone have numbers of naval units and fighter jets, awacs of US forces around Syria ? And those of Ru forces ? Can someone summerize it ?

Hard to say, those numbers change on fairly frequent basis.

Isos wrote:

Militarov wrote:

Isos wrote:Does someone have numbers of naval units and fighter jets, awacs of US forces around Syria ? And those of Ru forces ? Can someone summerize it ?

Hard to say, those numbers change on fairly frequent basis.

Yes but for US force I tried to see on their media and website, there is 0 information. I know when their was the Su-24 incident their F-15 left the incirlik air base. In Jordania they have an airbase with the French, maybe no more airbases in Irak with fighters. Their is 1 carrier near Syrian cost too.

For Russian navy you can follow they movement on the turkish navy website where spotter posts photos od military ship going through bosphorus.

The carrier could be in danger if Syrian forces decide to destroy it. It's reachable at low altitude to evry Syrian bombers and they have 72 onix in two Bastion P complexe, plus they have data from Russian radars. Even if I doubt they will try to but now with Russia saying it will target any foreign jet out there, they couldn't go back if Syria wants a revange.

Militarov wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

mine is entirely based on family members experience with NORAD of the 80's. No direct military myself. Your educated on air defense systems. Wonderful. Ones not used in Serbia might I add?

The feeling is mutual anyway. So you can collectively fuck off if you dont like my views, and views shared by others. I tend to take Sean O Connor at face value even if you don't.

Oh please stop insulting our lntelligence please. NORAD , go away now seriously Or actually tell us more, please, we had one already that worked in NASA here, maybe you could join your resources  

Military education provides alot more than training on system you are supposed to work on you know. General knowledge of equipment used by not only your own forces but plausible enemy, allies. You dont need to spend 20 years on S-300PMU2 to know its limitations that appear on every single AD system ever produced, due to things called laws of physics and math.

I am here alot longer than you, there are people around here that met me irl even, i dont need your approval for anything nor i seek for it. Just slight appreciation.

eehnie wrote:

Militarov wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

mine is entirely based on family members experience with NORAD of the 80's. No direct military myself. Your educated on air defense systems. Wonderful. Ones not used in Serbia might I add?

The feeling is mutual anyway. So you can collectively fuck off if you dont like my views, and views shared by others. I tend to take Sean O Connor at face value even if you don't.

Oh please stop insulting our lntelligence please. NORAD , go away now seriously Or actually tell us more, please, we had one already that worked in NASA here, maybe you could join your resources  

Military education provides alot more than training on system you are supposed to work on you know. General knowledge of equipment used by not only your own forces but plausible enemy, allies. You dont need to spend 20 years on S-300PMU2 to know its limitations that appear on every single AD system ever produced, due to things called laws of physics and math.

I am here alot longer than you, there are people around here that met me irl even, i dont need your approval for anything nor i seek for it. Just slight appreciation.

Militarov again giving lessons of physics and maths, I can not pee...

Militarov wrote:

eehnie wrote:

Militarov wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

mine is entirely based on family members experience with NORAD of the 80's. No direct military myself. Your educated on air defense systems. Wonderful. Ones not used in Serbia might I add?

The feeling is mutual anyway. So you can collectively fuck off if you dont like my views, and views shared by others. I tend to take Sean O Connor at face value even if you don't.

Oh please stop insulting our lntelligence please. NORAD , go away now seriously Or actually tell us more, please, we had one already that worked in NASA here, maybe you could join your resources  

Military education provides alot more than training on system you are supposed to work on you know. General knowledge of equipment used by not only your own forces but plausible enemy, allies. You dont need to spend 20 years on S-300PMU2 to know its limitations that appear on every single AD system ever produced, due to things called laws of physics and math.

I am here alot longer than you, there are people around here that met me irl even, i dont need your approval for anything nor i seek for it. Just slight appreciation.

Militarov again giving lessons of physics and maths, I can not pee...

You should check that out.