US Missile Defense Agency

Hahahaha... in the article itself it mentions that speed is the problem and a faster interceptor is not really a solution... it makes things harder not easier.

America can't shoot down hypersonic manouvering missiles... just like the Russians and Chinese can't either.

A hypersonic falling item like a Scud or other ballistic target can be intercepted because its flight path is predictable... for an object flying at hypersonic speeds that is not ballistic and could go anywhere things are much much harder...

Imagine an incoming Zircon missile moving at mach 8... which is 320m/s x 8 = about 2.5km/s...


If you detect the target 100km away, you need to calculate its trajectory... its expected flight path... so with computers and three pings from the radar lets say that takes 4 seconds, so the missile is now 90km away, so you launch your missile to intercept and you vector that missile to hit the target... it will take your missile 25 seconds to get to the interception point because it needs to accelerate and climb... so that means the interception point will be at about 30km from your launch platform for the SAM... (the incoming Zircon will cover about 62km in the 25 seconds it takes your missile to get to the interception point... but hang on... unlike a ballistic missile... the Zircon can manouver in 3 dimensions... it can climb or descend and turn left or right... and it can speed up or slow down... in which case the interception point can change in a second and suddenly be several kilometres away from the original interception point.

The problem is that any SAM launched it heading towards the old interception point and to now turn and head to an new interception point uses up energy... which slows it down... the target is still coming at 2.5km per second and that first missile might not make it to any interception point in time... it is not just a case of getting that interception missile to the same 3 dimensional point in space... it also has to be there at exactly the same time... half a second either way and you miss by over 1km... no amount of HE will be effective with such a miss distance.

More importantly they will have programmed the missile to manouver to be difficult to hit... it is actively trying to avoid any missiles fired at it, though it has no way of actually detecting anything coming at it... unless they have made the radar antenna in its nose sensitive to ARH missile signals... it wont be able to track them but detection would warn the missile to manouver more... it is scramjet powered so it is still powered so manouvers wont reduce speed very much at all anyway.

The Granit has titanium armour to protect the warhead from incoming Phalanx rounds... during testing it took two AA-9 missile hits to bring one down and it only moves at Mach 2...

For intercepting missiles detonating the warhead is your best chance of defeating it... which is really hard if you can't hit it.

US plans satellite network to track hypersonic weapons of China and Russia

Basically what this means is that the U.S network of satellites in low earth orbit will provide mesh of sensors to reduce kill chain. And, it will provide alternate network if GPS constellation is disrupted.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3085342/us-plans-satellite-network-track-hypersonic-weapons-china-and

And.... So what? They will get to see from space their own destruction since they have no means to counter the missiles. Lol

miketheterrible wrote:And.... So what? They will get to see from space their own destruction since they have no means to counter the missiles. Lol

Certainly Chinese missiles can be destroyed.

Russian missiles can be engaged too for interception, maybe not an exo atmospheric interception but certainly endo atmospheric.

RTN wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:And.... So what? They will get to see from space their own destruction since they have no means to counter the missiles. Lol

Certainly Chinese missiles can be destroyed.

Russian missiles can be engaged too for interception, maybe not an exo atmospheric interception but certainly endo atmospheric.

Hahaha no. The failure rate of thaad and rest is far too high against any kind of Russian ballistic missile (it was already very low against a standard ballistic missile that flies in a ballistic path
God forbid they try against quasi). Since Topol M, no Russian missile flies in a basic ballistic path.

You sure sound like someone who has not paid attention at all in recent years here.

Austin posted the findings years ago. These missile defense systems of US are more or less useless. Hell, Iran proved that. Same with Yemen.

RTN wrote:US plans satellite network to track hypersonic weapons of China and Russia

Basically what this means is that the U.S network of satellites in low earth orbit will provide mesh of sensors to reduce kill chain. And, it will provide alternate network if GPS constellation is disrupted.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3085342/us-plans-satellite-network-track-hypersonic-weapons-china-and

I love the buzzwords of US MIC marketing, lol kill chain! I can observe a comet/asteroid strike the Earth, it doesn't mean I have anything it to prevent it. All it means is that they have a front-row seat to their own ass-kicking!

RTN wrote:US plans satellite network to track hypersonic weapons of China and Russia

Basically what this means is that the U.S network of satellites in low earth orbit will provide mesh of sensors to reduce kill chain. And, it will provide alternate network if GPS constellation is disrupted.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3085342/us-plans-satellite-network-track-hypersonic-weapons-china-and

The planned US satellite network has literally nothing to do with hypersonic missile's interception; since the cold shiver of two years ago, when US's authorities realized suddenly how much it has been left behind in the most cutting edge military technologies (and it has absolutely not seen all....) the Pentagon's officlals have conceived a plan to leverage on residual geo-political influence and changes in the paradigm of military struggle (in particular up to now forbidden solutions) to attempt to counterbalance the technological gap that would be very difficult to bridge within the next two decades.

The first part of the response plan is already in motion, it envision the abandonement of all the existing international weapon control treaties and agreements, while contemporaneously using coldly the territories and the population of its supposed "allies" (with the agreement only of theirs corrupted ruling elites) as nothing more than sacrificeable shields, with the aim to put theirs existing arsenal of nuclear weapons and strategic defense structures closer to the Federation's borders so to effectively force it to plan sub-strategic attacks against those nations even before continental USA and also expend resources in defensive systems against those forward based US offensive means.

The second part envision a completely space-based closed engagement cycle of strategic weapons, those low orbit geostationary satellites will provide target discovery and positional update to allow the foreseen paired satellite-based nuclear/conventional strike component ,placed on higher orbit, to attack directly the aimed point. The orbit of those planned satellites would be absolutely unsuitable for effcient tracking of hypersonic missile's motion in the atmosphere.

Obviously those strategic ideas are nothing short of coldly inhumane and cynical to the edge of the abominable , but the madness and total irresponsibility of those self-proclaimed chosen ones and exceptionalists with theirs grotesquely incompetent elites, as repeteadly proved also in those days, have a very unique understanding of the value of other's lives.....

Mindstorm wrote:with the aim to put theirs existing arsenal of nuclear weapons and strategic defense structures closer to the Federation's borders so to effectively force it to plan sub-strategic attacks against those nations even before continental USA and also expend resources in defensive systems against those forward based US offensive means.

In that case Russia too can send in their troops to a place like Mexico. They can't because they don't have this capability.

Instead the Kremlin used their political capital to create useless organizations like SCO. There was no need for a SCO when CSTO already exists.

Mindstorm wrote:those low orbit geostationary satellites will provide target discovery and positional update to allow the foreseen paired satellite-based nuclear/conventional strike component ,placed on higher orbit, to attack directly the aimed point. The orbit of those planned satellites would be absolutely unsuitable for effcient tracking of hypersonic missile's motion in the atmosphere.

Couldn't understand what your point is. What foreseen paired satellites are you referring to? How are they targeting the aim point?

The Commander of U.S. Strategic Command already said before they have no defences against such technology .

China and Russia are 'aggressively pursuing' hypersonic weapons — and the US doesn't have any defenses

RTN wrote:

Mindstorm wrote:with the aim to put theirs existing arsenal of nuclear weapons and strategic defense structures closer to the Federation's borders so to effectively force it to plan sub-strategic attacks against those nations even before continental USA and also expend resources in defensive systems against those forward based US offensive means.

In that case Russia too can send in their troops to a place like Mexico. They can't because they don't have this capability.

Instead the Kremlin used their political capital to create useless organizations like SCO. There was no need for a SCO when CSTO already exists.

Meanwhile you like to pretend Cuba doesn't exist lmao, brush up on your geography! BTW if Nudol with it's 3,500km range was to be based in Havana, it would cover D.C., N.Y.C., Boston, Philadelphia, Chicago, Denver, Phoenix, Houston, Dallas, Las Vegas.

Meanwhile useless NATO couldn't even lift a finger to help Italy, or Spain, or the rest of the EU during the Covid-19 crisis   ....NATO's sworn enemies Russia and China were called in by Italy and Spain respectively for help against the Corona virus, while Breedlove, Wolters and Stoltenberg sat down with their thumbs up their asses doing nothing for NATO's so called allies. NATO is only good at turning Europeans in to Meat Shield like this.

All these yanqui "counter-measures" are lame and predictable. The problem for self-anointed, exceptional guiding empire of humanity
is that none of them have the effectiveness they envision:

1) Breaking all arms control treaties while accusing Russia of cheating. Lame BS since there are provisions in those treaties to
reconcile cheating cases. So nullifying a treaty based on this pretext is for premature retarded babies. Russia can dish out
an epic amount of advanced nuclear warheads and ICBMs and IRBMs. Nothing the yanquis will produce will "out compete" Russian
nuclear weapons.

2) Parking nukes in LEO. (Not geostationary since that is a 33,000 km up and in the equatorial plane. Orbit nukes have value only
in LEO due to the time savings for delivery to target. This "solution" is fanboi masturbation spooge. Russia will instantly react by
parking its own nukes in LEO. I guess the yanquis are planning on bitching and moaning to the world what an aggressor Russia is
for deploying space based nukes. The boy who cried wolf comes to mind.

3) Using low yield nukes. This is a pathetic attempt to keep the war conventional. Nobody is going to force Russia to play any
game. Russia has already announced that it will consider any nuke, regardless of yield, a nuke and respond with nukes.

4) Using eastern European retards as meat shields. Russia has already announced that it will go for the jugular in any war. So
Russia will be nuking Langley and similar from hour zero and will not be traversing some BS trajectory that yanqui retards have
planned for it. Yanquis will not be safe behind some oceanic moat like they were during WWII. They will be glassed ASAP.
This is really bad news for yanqui freaks since they routinely yap about conventional war with Russia. Russia will not
fight on yanqui terms.

5) Endless yanqui masturbation about "decapitating" first strike. More premature baby drivel for brainless drones to lap up.
Any attempt at first strike will be identified in seconds and will receive a massive counter-strike. I am sure yanqui self-perceived
stellar intellects are planning all sorts of ruses like launching one missile or B-2 into Russia and pretending it was an accident
while launching the first strike attempt when Russia is "distracted". Too bad for yanquis, but every scenario they can game
is gamed by Russia as well.

magnumcromagnon wrote:Meanwhile you like to pretend Cuba doesn't exist lmao, brush up on your geography! BTW if Nudol with it's 3,500km range was to be based in Havana, it would cover D.C., N.Y.C., Boston, Philadelphia, Chicago, Denver, Phoenix, Houston, Dallas, Las Vegas.

Since you are both a geography and history expert maybe you can post the image of one such map where Cuba borders the United States.

This is a perfect example of how analytically challenged you are. Evidence is presented of troops placed by US in Europe but you turn to some unproven, un researched claim, trying to knock down ground realities. Somebody asks you if you bathe regularly, you'd respond with a screed on Aquafina vs tap water

Could you say if there is defense against this

The counter to American space based nuclear attack systems is to destroy the space based weapons before they can be activated... with is going to flood space with billions of fragments from paint chip to truck sized parts including nuclear warheads...

Space travel will not be an option till it is at least partially cleared and existing satellites will be rendered useless within months of being bombarded by all that material flung around the place.

In that case Russia too can send in their troops to a place like Mexico. They can't because they don't have this capability.

Why do you think Russia couldn't send a contingent of troops to Mexico assuming Mexico welcomes them?

They sent troops to Syria easily enough... ironically if the US sets up weapons on Russias border and in space, then Russia could easily send a few unlimited flight range cruise missiles and TOPOLs on trucks to Cuba... just to send a message.

Instead the Kremlin used their political capital to create useless organizations like SCO. There was no need for a SCO when CSTO already exists.

Why do you think political organisations that don't include the US are a bad thing?

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Meanwhile useless NATO couldn't even lift a finger to help Italy, or Spain, or the rest of the EU during the Covid-19 crisis   ....NATO's sworn enemies Russia and China were called in by Italy and Spain respectively for help against the Corona virus, while Breedlove, Wolters and Stoltenberg sat down with their thumbs up their asses doing nothing for NATO's so called allies. NATO is only good at turning Europeans in to Meat Shield like this.  

What has NATO got to do with helping European countries with Covid-19? NATO is a military alliance, defending against the evil enemies you mention.

The responsibility you mention is the EU's but even then the main, and in most countries total, responsibility is for their national government.

GarryB wrote:

They sent troops to Syria easily enough... ironically if the US sets up weapons on Russias border and in space, then Russia could easily send a few unlimited flight range cruise missiles and TOPOLs on trucks to Cuba... just to send a message.

Much cheaper, easier to deploy and as big a nasty shock for the US would be the sudden appearance of a few mobile Kalibre batteries, with SAMs, on Cuba. Not expensive to do and the Russian military would be fighting to get the 6 months postings there!

The Americans sometimes forget when they boast about their 'carrier off Europe' that is us, that someone else has a potentially very inconvenient carrier off the US coast, Cuba. Facing the very soft underbelly of US defence, the Gulf.

At the moment Cuba is one of the countries that Trump, or the people behind him, is trying to increase pressure on. Implementing the latest US foreign policy strategy of 'why talk' when you have a couple of big sticks called the $ and the incredible (Trump favourite word) US military.

The US is blindly arrogant, the Department of Defence having implemented a change in function after WW2 to offence without bothering the change the name. So they have a virtually defenceless homeland against external enemies. After all no-one was ever going to attack them so they didn't need SAMs. Right?

Cuba back in the time was good because their medium range ballistic missiles could reach US in 5 minutes and they had no alternatives.

Now they are getting hypersonic missiles mounted on subs, ships and any plane they have with enough range to hit US coasts safely or any european country from homeland.

They don't need Cuban bases anymore. For intel' it would be nice or to use their ports for their ships but certainly not to deploy nuks.

RTN wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:Meanwhile you like to pretend Cuba doesn't exist lmao, brush up on your geography! BTW if Nudol with it's 3,500km range was to be based in Havana, it would cover D.C., N.Y.C., Boston, Philadelphia, Chicago, Denver, Phoenix, Houston, Dallas, Las Vegas.

Since you are both a geography and history expert maybe you can post the image of one such map where Cuba borders the United States.

This is a perfect example of how analytically challenged you are. Evidence is presented of troops placed by US in Europe but you turn to some unproven, un researched claim, trying to knock down ground realities. Somebody asks you if you bathe regularly, you'd respond with a screed on Aquafina vs tap water

Goofball sandwich, you like to pretend Cuba isn't 103 miles away from mainland U.S., you also love to believe that Nudol's parked in Havana won't permanently change your pseudo-strategic calculus, it's range covers the whole east coast of the US, that's why Stumpy-Trumpy's howler monkey cronies are crying their eyes out demanding for Nudol's program to be cancelled!  Troops on the border of Russia will be obliterated with tactical nuke equipped MLRS, let alone Hypersonic weapons......your WW2 era understanding of conflict falls flat on it's ass when you don't even realize their SHORAD structure (let alone IAD) in Eastern Europe is absolutely pitiful, even Aegis Ashore is stationary and lacks any form of mobility, which further exacerbates the fact that the European allies are nothing more than meat-shields. You still haven't disproven the fact that useless NATO was utterly helpless to help it's allies during the current Covid-19 crisis. Do what you can to help you sleep easier at night, and don't forget to change your soiled adult diapers before your start to chafe!

magnumcromagnon wrote: You still haven't disproven the fact that useless NATO was utterly helpless to help it's allies during the current Covid-19 crisis.

As I said above, it wasn't useless/helpless, just not its job/responsibility.

JohninMK wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Meanwhile useless NATO couldn't even lift a finger to help Italy, or Spain, or the rest of the EU during the Covid-19 crisis   ....NATO's sworn enemies Russia and China were called in by Italy and Spain respectively for help against the Corona virus, while Breedlove, Wolters and Stoltenberg sat down with their thumbs up their asses doing nothing for NATO's so called allies. NATO is only good at turning Europeans in to Meat Shield like this.  

What has NATO got to do with helping European countries with Covid-19? NATO is a military alliance, defending against the evil enemies you mention.

The responsibility you mention is the EU's but even then the main, and in most countries total, responsibility is for their national government.

They're supposed to have planning, provisions and united strategies to fight biological contagion, sorry but you can't ignore their ineptitude in this crisis.

dino00 wrote:Nuclear weapons in Cuba is nearly impossible, why will Cuba want to be a nuclear target?

Space base weapons are not so easy to destroy

Nonsense, Uncle Sham engaged in no less than over 700 attempts of regime change against Cuba....they've been a target the entire time!!! BTW, Iran doesn't host any Russian nuclear weapons, but the Pentagram has stated they plan on using Nuclear Bunker Busters against Iran, meanwhile they have no plans of doing the same with North Korea...I wonder why?

What has NATO got to do with helping European countries with Covid-19? NATO is a military alliance, defending against the evil enemies you mention.

I am surprised HATO has not stood up and stated that Covid 19 could be a Russian virus they are stitching up China as having created because they are evil and that is highly likely the sort of thing they would do, but of course then they would be obliged to actually be able to do something about it... when they are completely impotent... what a surprise.

The responsibility you mention is the EU's but even then the main, and in most countries total, responsibility is for their national government.

Everyone must be in step when Washington orders them to impose sanctions on Russia or China or Iran or North Korea or Cuba, but when countries in the EU need help it is every country for themselves and screw everyone else...

Much cheaper, easier to deploy and as big a nasty shock for the US would be the sudden appearance of a few mobile Kalibre batteries, with SAMs, on Cuba. Not expensive to do and the Russian military would be fighting to get the 6 months postings there!

Well the Russian version of AEGIS Ashore... with UKSK-M launch tubes able to carry Zircon and Kalibr and of course S-400 and S-500 SAMs... I am sure they will be reassured to know it wont be directed at them... Russia has evidence that Argentina and Chile have ballistic missile programmes and those systems will be placed in Venezuela and Cuba to help them defend themselves... nothing at all to do with the US... so don't complain about it...

The Americans sometimes forget when they boast about their 'carrier off Europe' that is us, that someone else has a potentially very inconvenient carrier off the US coast, Cuba. Facing the very soft underbelly of US defence, the Gulf.

Indeed... Sauce for the Goose is Sauce for the Gander...

The US is blindly arrogant, the Department of Defence having implemented a change in function after WW2 to offence without bothering the change the name. So they have a virtually defenceless homeland against external enemies. After all no-one was ever going to attack them so they didn't need SAMs. Right?

To be fair the political correctness started early.... the Ministry of War and Department of War fairly quickly were renamed Ministry of Defence and Department of Defence... but once a snake always a snake...

Nuclear weapons in Cuba is nearly impossible, why will Cuba want to be a nuclear target?

Cuba is a nuclear target, little they could do to change that except capitulate to the US.

The US has been tearing up agreements... so the agreement about nuclear weapons stationed in Cuba could be the next reaction to Americas tearing up obsolete old agreements.

Space base weapons are not so easy to destroy

Very true, but also not so true... ground based lasers could target satellites in orbit, but most importantly... bombs in space make everyone vulnerable when the US initiates its attack with missiles from space... Russia could push a button and set off EMP bombs as they fly over the US and EU easily enough and then launch a full strike... their S-500s and Nudol and other systems should protect silo and truck mounted weapons so they will be launched, and of course SSBNs and Poseidon and unlimited range cruise missiles can be launched too... what they are creating with such talk is another hair trigger.... just like IRBMs and cruise missiles in Europe meant there would be 2-3 minutes to decide if it was an attack or a mistake... weapons in space create the same hair trigger... and the consequences of getting it wrong will cost far worse than the current pandemic...

They don't need Cuban bases anymore. For intel' it would be nice or to use their ports for their ships but certainly not to deploy nuks.

They don't need them like HATO does not need the Baltic states and Ukraine and Georgia to be members... that does not seem to bother the US though...

New radar of the US missile defense system in Alaska will allow monitoring the territory of Siberia and the Far East

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The United States has completed construction of a new radar station in Alaska. The completion ceremony took place on Monday December 6, according to the US Department of Defense's Missile Defense Agency (MDA).

The new long-range target detection radar (LRDR, Long Range Discrimination Radar) will allow the Americans to track Russian ballistic missile launches not only from the European part, but also from Siberia and the Far East. At the same time, the Pentagon has traditionally stated that the radar is designed to track the launch of missiles from Iran and North Korea.

The radar is slated to enable the US military to detect all classes of ballistic missile warheads at "very long range" in "continuous mode" and track satellites in low-Earth orbit. The new station will be part of the US missile defense system, the received data will be transmitted to anti-missiles installed in Alaska and California.

Currently, the radar, located at the Clear Air Force airbase, is in test mode, it is planned to be commissioned next year, and it will be put on alert in 2023, although it was previously stated that construction was to be completed in 2020, and in combat he was supposed to get up on duty in 2022. The delay in construction, which began in 2018, was attributed to the coronavirus pandemic at the Pentagon.

It is noted that recently the United States has taken seriously the strengthening of Alaska, deploying new military bases and means of detection and control on its territory. This is due, first of all, to the desire to control the Arctic space, including the Northern Sea Route, as well as to oppose Russia, which has significantly strengthened its positions in the North. The new radar will allow the United States to track the Far East and Siberia, while Russia controls Alaska with the Voronezh radar station, which creates a radar field around our entire territory.

https://en.topwar.ru/189911-novyj-radar-sistemy-pro-ssha-na-aljaske-pozvolit-sledit-za-territoriej-sibiri-i-dalnego-vostoka.html