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    d_taddei2

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    Russian testing IL-76 bombers

    Post  d_taddei2 on Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:07 am

    Hi all and sorry if this has been mentioned already but i dont think it has.

    Russia has starting carrying out exercises/tests on using the IL-76 aS some form of bomber/troop transport, and would be equiped with 4 bombs as well carrying troops. So far it has only been tested using P-50T practice bombs. I am not sure using transport planes in this role without proper anti air counter measures is a good idea, but i will wait and see people comments on here. The link is below, but ive also copy and pasted it in case people have trouble with the link, ive also included pictures.
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    The Russian Air Force (Voyenno-Vozdushnye Sily: VVS) has performed bomb-carrying trials with its Ilyushin Il-76 'Candid' strategic transport aircraft, the company announced on 30 January.

    In the exercise, which took place in the Tver region of the country north of Moscow, an Il-76MD was fitted with P-50T practice bombs on four underwing hardpoints.

    According to Ilyushin, the modification is geared at enabling the aircraft to operate on unprepared and unfamiliar airfields behind enemy lines. The crews will first visually inspect the airfield using flares, before dropping bombs ahead of landing with troops on board. "Bombing is performed at a speed of 500 km / h at altitudes of 500 to 1,000 m (1,650 ft to 3,280 ft)," a company statement said.

    The Military Transport Aviation Command will train "more than 10 teams" in the capability, stationed in the Tver, Orenburg, Pskov, and Taganrog regions of Russia, Ilyushin noted.
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    Employing transport aircraft as strike assets is not itself something new. In the West, the Lockheed Martin C-130 Hercules has had a secondary role as a gunship almost since it entered service. What makes the Il-76 trials different, and somewhat curious, is that they do not involve the use of stand-off munitions, but of 'dumb' bombs that require the aircraft to fly directly over the target at medium level.

    Using troop-carrying transport aircraft as bombers in this way would appear to be an extremely risky tactic. If an enemy airfield needs to be seized by airborne ground forces, dedicated attack aircraft or helicopters would normally be employed to neutralise any surface-to-air defences ahead of the troop-carriers.

    Another interesting facet of the trials is where these specially trained Military Transport Aviation Command units will be located. With the exception of the Orenburg region, which borders Kazakhstan, the others are all within easy striking range of either Ukraine or the Baltic republics. As such, these exercises might just as easily be a demonstration of President Vladimir Putin's resolve and capabilities in the face of continued Western pressure over the crisis in Ukraine, as they are a tactic that the VVS would ever choose to employ.











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    Russian testing IL-76 bombers

    Post  GarryB on Thu Feb 05, 2015 10:30 am

    I am not sure using transport planes in this role without proper anti air counter measures is a good idea, but i will wait and see people comments on here.

    Well if you think of it as a troop transport helicopter with rocket pods... it has to go in anyway... with four bomb pylons it could carry a range of glonass or laser guided heavy bombs in case a threat appears near the landing zone...

    The crews will first visually inspect the airfield using flares, before dropping bombs ahead of landing with troops on board. "Bombing is performed at a speed of 500 km / h at altitudes of 500 to 1,000 m (1,650 ft to 3,280 ft)," a company statement said.

    So it is for landing troops at presumably an enemy airfield... I would expect the bombs would be used to take out enemy air defence positions and the tower before the aircraft full of troops lands.

    is that they do not involve the use of stand-off munitions, but of 'dumb' bombs that require the aircraft to fly directly over the target at medium level.

    What makes the author think just dumb bombs will be used?

    Using troop-carrying transport aircraft as bombers in this way would appear to be an extremely risky tactic. If an enemy airfield needs to be seized by airborne ground forces, dedicated attack aircraft or helicopters would normally be employed to neutralise any surface-to-air defences ahead of the troop-carriers.

    here he contradicts himself... how can it be risky using troop transports when dedicated attack aircraft and/or helicopters will take out the air defences?

    Or does he think four dumb bombs per transport aircraft will be to replace the attack aircraft?



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    IL-76 Special-Mission Modifications

    Post  Flanky on Thu May 21, 2015 11:58 am

    Im not sure if anybody has seen this: http://www.janes.com/article/48552/russia-exercises-with-il-76-bombers
    Are they studying a feasibility to turn Il-76 in sort of a "MC-130" equivalent for special operations infiltration and exfiltration... that would be great.
    Anyone any more info?
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    Re: IL-76 Special-Mission Modifications

    Post  GarryB on Tue May 26, 2015 12:17 pm

    Someone already posted pictures of bombs under the wings of Il-76 aircraft....


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    Re: IL-76 Special-Mission Modifications

    Post  George1 on Tue May 26, 2015 12:49 pm

    GarryB wrote:Someone already posted pictures of bombs under the wings of Il-76 aircraft....







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    Re: IL-76 Special-Mission Modifications

    Post  Werewolf on Tue May 26, 2015 2:06 pm

    That looks ridiculous tiny.

    It is ridiculous like this.


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    Re: IL-76 Special-Mission Modifications

    Post  victor1985 on Tue May 26, 2015 8:15 pm

    Look a idea. Take some photons from a laser. Then pass them to a amplifier. Then they can be used as radio waves. Powerfull ones.
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    Re: IL-76 Special-Mission Modifications

    Post  GarryB on Wed May 27, 2015 11:12 am

    That looks ridiculous tiny.

    If you read the markings on the bombs you will see P-50T at the top line, which means it is a 50kg practise bomb... it makes a big flash when it hits but does no damage other than direct impact damage... it is used for training and in this case testing.

    Operationally they would use much bigger much heavier bombs... and indeed possibly guided bombs or even rockets.

    I would imagine that a 150kg HE warhead would be effective against a range of targets, so the laser guided version of the S-25 heavy unguided rocket would have plenty of power and punch, would be accurate enough to hit point targets ahead of the aircraft instead of below or behind the aircraft which would be an advantage against a 30mm or 35mm anti aircraft gun position detected at the last minute... whether camouflaged or mobile on a vehicle... the ability to launch a rocket with laser guidance able to defeat a heavy bunker or heavy armoured vehicle 3-4km ahead of the aircraft would be very useful.

    Look a idea. Take some photons from a laser. Then pass them to a amplifier. Then they can be used as radio waves. Powerfull ones.

    Passing photons from any source whether it is a laser beam or sunlight and passing them through an amplifier results in a brighter light, not a radio wave.

    Image intensification scopes use photon amplifiers to allow a user to see in the dark...


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    Re: IL-76 Special-Mission Modifications

    Post  kvs on Thu May 28, 2015 4:20 am

    Bombs are so obsolete. Having 4 of them is just inane. It would be better if they mounted some cruise missiles instead.
    Hypersonic or subsonic.

    It does not look like those mounting points could hold 500 kg or higher bombs.
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    Re: IL-76 Special-Mission Modifications

    Post  Cyberspec on Thu May 28, 2015 7:36 am

    Flanky wrote:Im not sure if anybody has seen this: http://www.janes.com/article/48552/russia-exercises-with-il-76-bombers
    Are they studying a feasibility to turn Il-76 in sort of a "MC-130" equivalent for special operations infiltration and exfiltration... that would be great.
    Anyone any more info?

    That's either an experiment or a left over from Soviet times.....some of the An-72's have been seen with bombs and rockets as well


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    Re: IL-76 Special-Mission Modifications

    Post  GarryB on Thu May 28, 2015 11:41 am

    That is the An-72P patrol aircraft designed for border patrol duties with wing mounted rocket pods for warning shots and a twin barrel 23mm cannon pod near the main undercarriage, and of course 100kg bombs released out the rear cargo area. they are used against smugglers and illegal fishing boats...

    the use of bombs on the Il-76 used for dropping parachutists is to suppress enemy fire power during a drop... which means the first plane starts releasing troops and vehicles and spots a target ahead shooting up at it... it places a laser target marker on the muzzle flash or radar source and releases a couple of laser guided 250kg or 500kg bombs. It doesn't need to be able to destroy Saddams bunker... with high accuracy weapons you don't need that much power for most battlefield targets.

    even if a single M1 abrams tank is detected then a laser guided bomb will deal with the threat like no other weapon could...

    Bombs are so obsolete. Having 4 of them is just inane. It would be better if they mounted some cruise missiles instead.
    Hypersonic or subsonic.

    What would a troop transport plane do with cruise missiles?

    Think of this as being like an Mi-17 with rocket pods... it is to suppress enemy fire power during a landing...

    They are just testing some ideas... who knows what they might end up doing... How about a belt fed 120mm Nona gun/mortar system with laser guided shells...


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    Re: IL-76 Special-Mission Modifications

    Post  Militarov on Thu Sep 03, 2015 6:09 am

    kvs wrote:Bombs are so obsolete.  Having 4 of them is just inane.  It would be better if they mounted some cruise missiles instead.  
    Hypersonic or subsonic.

    It does not look like those mounting points could hold 500 kg or higher bombs.  

    Price of cruise missile 0,8-2mil USD, 500kg bomb - 10.000 + GPS/laser guidance 10-20k. Amount of smart ammunition used in war, even modern one is just a fraction of total gravity bombs dropped.
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    Re: IL-76 Special-Mission Modifications

    Post  Militarov on Mon Oct 26, 2015 8:35 pm

    On 23. October, PD-14 engine (MS-21 engine) was first time started on IL-76LL engine test platform. First flight is rumored to take place on novemeber 3.





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    Re: IL-76 Special-Mission Modifications

    Post  Militarov on Tue Nov 03, 2015 10:19 pm

    IL-76LL equipped with new PD-14 engine for MS-21 liner before taking-off, Flying laboratory basically.

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    Re: IL-76 Special-Mission Modifications

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Nov 09, 2015 7:38 pm

    Good picture at link.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — The Russian-built Il-76TD-90VD long-haul cargo aircraft has successfully completed a test landing on an ice airfield in Antarctica, the plane’s manufacturer, Ilyushin Aviation Complex, said in a statement Monday.

    "The joint crew under the command of chief pilot… [Nikolay] Kuimov and chief pilot… [Ruben] Yesayan successfully carried out the first landing on an ice airfield at Novolazarevskaya station in Antarctica on an Il-76TD-90VD aircraft, equipped with a PS-90A-76 engine," the statement reads.

    Ilyushin is a Russian company that manufactures passenger aircraft, military and civil transport aircraft, and special-purpose aircraft.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20151109/1029837195/antarctica-test-russia-plane.html#ixzz3r1LbEA9Z

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    Re: IL-76 Special-Mission Modifications

    Post  Svyatoslavich on Tue Nov 10, 2015 12:02 am

    JohninMK wrote:Good picture at link.
    Unfortunately, the plane in the pic is an old version of Il-76 (either MD or TD), with D-30 engines.
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    Re: IL-76 Special-Mission Modifications

    Post  JohninMK on Tue Nov 10, 2015 12:46 am

    Svyatoslavich wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Good picture at link.
    Unfortunately, the plane in the pic is an old version of Il-76 (either MD or TD), with D-30 engines.
    Thanks, still a good picture. I expect that the picture of the actual aircraft that landed there is somewhere in the post!
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    Re: IL-76 Special-Mission Modifications

    Post  George1 on Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:10 am

    Il-976 "SKIP" – (Airborne Check-Measure-and-Control Center)



    On September 12, 2017, the aircraft command and measuring unit (SKIP) Il-976 (registration 76455, serial number 54-02), which was preparing for take-off, was seen at the aerodrome of the Flight Research Institute named after MM Gromov in Zhukovsky. The aircraft actively participates in flight tests after the modernization.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2843735.html


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    Re: IL-76 Special-Mission Modifications

    Post  T-47 on Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:51 pm

    Isn't that the new Il-112V engine?

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