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A cynic might comment, following the shambles of the US Deir investigation, that it might not be totally accidental.OminousSpudd wrote:What is up with US intel these days? On our side we've had what, one Blue-on-Blue since the start of the VKS intervention? Yet I've lost count of the amount the US has managed to rack up in Iraq and Syria. The US is living up to its stereotype rather well... it would seem.KiloGolf wrote:
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According to Turkish sources US let coalition has mistakenly pounded Turkish troops near al Bab.
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Syrian War: News #11
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US-LED COALITION DOES NOT SUPPORT TURKEY’S OFFENSIVE ON AL-BAB
The US-led coalition does not participate in an offensive of the Turkish Army and militants of the Free Syrian Army (FSA) on the Syrian city of al-Bab, controlled by the Islamic State (IS) terrorist group, spokesman of the Command of the Coalition Forces, Colonel John Dorrian, said during a video conference for journalists from Baghdad on November 17.
According to Dorrian, the offensive of Turkish troops and “Syrian rebels” is “an independent national decision [of Turkey]” and “is not supported by air strikes of the coalition.” In addition, a group of the US Special Forces, which was deployed in the north of Aleppo province in order to support Turkish military, was also recalled.
https://southfront.org/us-led-coalition-does-not-support-turkeys-offensive-on-al-bab/
This is the US gently telling Erdogan to f off.
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US government doesn't even know what to do anymore lol... Here's to hoping Trump will fix this all up.
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What the US is saying, and it is very important, is that the NATO does not support their invassion of Syria. Then, if there is a war between Turkey and Syria, which at this point is likely, the NATO will not be involved.
A war between Turkey and Syria is likely because at some point Syria will want the Turkish troops out of Syria, and I would say they will not go by their own (like Israel in the Golan H).
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JohninMK wrote:What genius thought it was a good idea to deploy their Intel van in arctic white for desert use. Don't they have spray cans of brown paint? Sitting bloody duck, probably with well trained guys inside too.
Jandarma Truck pressed into military service.
Oooh Turkey. You gon' learn.
Also that SAA dude follows the path of the Hobo. Strength through NGAF. Living the way of the chainsmoker. Givi Approves.
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Yeah, they're trying hard to unlock KSA combat effectiveness level.
I know right. Decently kitted up as well. Vest, AKM with rifle grenade attachment (that a yugo AK?). Only thing missing for pro-level play is a helmet. Then again you get no street cred with dem helmetz in the hood (i.e. Middle East).
KoTeMoRe wrote:Jandarma Truck pressed into military service.
Oooh Turkey. You gon' learn.
Yeah, they're trying hard to unlock KSA combat effectiveness level.
KoTeMoRe wrote:Also that SAA dude follows the path of the Hobo. Strength through NGAF. Living the way of the chainsmoker. Givi Approves.
I know right. Decently kitted up as well. Vest, AKM with rifle grenade attachment (that a yugo AK?). Only thing missing for pro-level play is a helmet. Then again you get no street cred with dem helmetz in the hood (i.e. Middle East).
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Yes with the Hobo modification kit for hobo-made grenades. And yes Yugo (because of gas regulator for the muzzle grenade).
Turkey is clearly committing good people skill-wise but blended with worthless idiots. Guess that being as strong as your weakest link is true.
But clearly the IS-scum have become masters at this hunting. I think we owe an apology to the Syrian Army, they're not so bad after all.
Turkey is clearly committing good people skill-wise but blended with worthless idiots. Guess that being as strong as your weakest link is true.
But clearly the IS-scum have become masters at this hunting. I think we owe an apology to the Syrian Army, they're not so bad after all.
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KoTeMoRe wrote:I think we owe an apology to the Syrian Army, they're not so bad after all.
True that. Given the region SAA is very much on average performance. I'd like to think IDF and IRGC/IRI Army are a tad better in this infantry-armor combined operations game. We have trained to death for that scenario as well. Turks seem to lack infantry here, IS ATGM operators just pick them off as if nobody is up ahead combing the area, keeping heads down. Chatter that I trust says their infantry is both not deployed in sufficient numbers (don't count FSA for sht) and possibly some of their troops is a bit demoralized with a possibility due to failing/strained supply & logistics. Their casualties reveal that some conscripts are deployed in Syria.
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I honestly think at this rate Greece should just retake Constantinople already. 
Remember those ANNA vids of SAA ops in Latakia and Aleppo way back when? That was some pretty good sweep and clear operations going on then... But I'd also like to venture that RU training is really showing even after so shorter time.
Remember those ANNA vids of SAA ops in Latakia and Aleppo way back when? That was some pretty good sweep and clear operations going on then... But I'd also like to venture that RU training is really showing even after so shorter time.
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KoTeMoRe wrote:Yes with the Hobo modification kit for hobo-made grenades. And yes Yugo (because of gas regulator for the muzzle grenade).
Turkey is clearly committing good people skill-wise but blended with worthless idiots. Guess that being as strong as your weakest link is true.
But clearly the IS-scum have become masters at this hunting. I think we owe an apology to the Syrian Army, they're not so bad after all.
Not sure if hobo
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KiloGolf wrote:Agreed, there is zero excusses of letting such pockets exist right next to their capital. That northern one right next to Lebanon seems very large though.VladimirSahin wrote:Easy pockets... They need to just blitzkrieg those bastards and get it over with.
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According to almasdarnews an Hezbollah media maps, there are just one pocket.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0saKI0WEAA2ZuN.jpg
https://media.almasdarnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/15748150_165582107252886_1228373910_o.jpg
Something like this
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calm wrote:
According to almasdarnews an Hezbollah media maps, there are just one pocket.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0saKI0WEAA2ZuN.jpg
https://media.almasdarnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/15748150_165582107252886_1228373910_o.jpg
Something like this
In that case SAA will be busy in Damascus for another 2 years.
It's huge. Seems that the Lebanon axis for beardies into Syria is as strong as ever. Previous operations only pushed them out of towns, they're still around.
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Twilight zone?
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KiloGolf wrote:calm wrote:
According to almasdarnews an Hezbollah media maps, there are just one pocket.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0saKI0WEAA2ZuN.jpg
https://media.almasdarnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/15748150_165582107252886_1228373910_o.jpg
Something like this
In that case SAA will be busy in Damascus for another 2 years.
It's huge. Seems that the Lebanon axis for beardies into Syria is as strong as ever. Previous operations only pushed them out of towns, they're still around.
I remember not exactly, but in the las autumn three or four rebel pockets collapsed. With new forces free from them (including Aleppo), I would expect all them to collapse in the fist mounths of 2017. Maybe by the spring.
Note that pockets only would be the parts of the front surounded by the Syrian Armed Forces, and with borders only with Liban. I count 11 now in the areas of Damascus, Homs and the borders with Liban.
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Ceasefire in Syria comes into force at midnight December 30
The most influential commanders of the armed opposition groups have been taking part in the talks, according to the Russian defense minister
MOSCOW, December 29. /TASS/. Russia’s Defense Ministry has prepared a hotline for interaction with Turkey, which acts together with Russia as a guarantor of the general ceasefire in Syria, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said at a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday.
"The Defense Ministry has prepared a hotline for maintaining interaction with the Turkish side, which is acting together with Russia as a guarantor of the ceasefire and the observance of the accords achieved," the defense minister said.
The Russian Defense Ministry has established a direct communications channel with Turkish colleagues, Shoigu said.
According to the Russian defense minister, all the pre-requisites have been created for the cessation of combat operations in Syria and for a direct dialog between the Syrian government and the opposition interested in preserving the country’s territorial integrity and sovereignty.
"Conditions have been created for reducing the grouping of the Russian forces on the territory of Syria," the defense minister said.
The ceasefire regime in Syria will come into effect at midnight on December 30.
The deal's details
The militant groups joining the ceasefire agreement in Syria consist of over 60,000 insurgents, Shoigu said:
"In accordance with your order, the defense ministry has been holding talks though Turkey with the Syrian opposition leaders. These armed groups control most of central and northern Syria, the total number of their members exceeds 60,000".
"The most influential commanders of the armed opposition groups have been taking part in the talks," he added.
The defense minister also said that favorable conditions for dialogue between the Syrian government and the opposition, interested in preserving the country’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, have been created.
"Organizations that refuse to cease hostilities, will from now on be considered as terrorist groups. Action will be taken against them across Syria, as well as against IS and Jabhat al-Nusra [both terror groups outlawed in Russia]," the defense minister stated.
More:
http://tass.com/defense/923225
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George1 wrote:According to the Russian defense minister, all the pre-requisites have been created for the cessation of combat operations in Syria and for a direct dialog between the Syrian government and the opposition interested in preserving the country’s territorial integrity and sovereignty.
"Conditions have been created for reducing the grouping of the Russian forces on the territory of Syria," the defense minister said.
"In accordance with your order, the defense ministry has been holding talks though Turkey with the Syrian opposition leaders. These armed groups control most of central and northern Syria, the total number of their members exceeds 60,000".
What the sh**
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KiloGolf wrote:George1 wrote:According to the Russian defense minister, all the pre-requisites have been created for the cessation of combat operations in Syria and for a direct dialog between the Syrian government and the opposition interested in preserving the country’s territorial integrity and sovereignty.
"Conditions have been created for reducing the grouping of the Russian forces on the territory of Syria," the defense minister said.
"In accordance with your order, the defense ministry has been holding talks though Turkey with the Syrian opposition leaders. These armed groups control most of central and northern Syria, the total number of their members exceeds 60,000".
What the sh**
March 2016: Part Deux.
There's no indication so far that there will be any of this (MP's just arrived).
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KiloGolf wrote:George1 wrote:According to the Russian defense minister, all the pre-requisites have been created for the cessation of combat operations in Syria and for a direct dialog between the Syrian government and the opposition interested in preserving the country’s territorial integrity and sovereignty.
"Conditions have been created for reducing the grouping of the Russian forces on the territory of Syria," the defense minister said.
"In accordance with your order, the defense ministry has been holding talks though Turkey with the Syrian opposition leaders. These armed groups control most of central and northern Syria, the total number of their members exceeds 60,000".
What the sh**
-Declare ceasefire.
-Get diplomatic and PR points
-Give SAA some time to regenerate after Aleppo
-Get more groups to surrender without a fight
-Give another batch of psychos a chance to out themselves as bona fide terrorists and then add them to priority kill list
-Give more reasons to tangos to start killing each other and their sponsors
-Make it easier for Lord Kek to play nice after Jan. 20. should he really want to
-Once there is another clear line of separation start scratching names of newly updated kill list
-Reinforce Russian military presence on the coast where it really matters
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PapaDragon wrote:KiloGolf wrote:George1 wrote:According to the Russian defense minister, all the pre-requisites have been created for the cessation of combat operations in Syria and for a direct dialog between the Syrian government and the opposition interested in preserving the country’s territorial integrity and sovereignty.
"Conditions have been created for reducing the grouping of the Russian forces on the territory of Syria," the defense minister said.
"In accordance with your order, the defense ministry has been holding talks though Turkey with the Syrian opposition leaders. These armed groups control most of central and northern Syria, the total number of their members exceeds 60,000".
What the sh**
-Declare ceasefire.
-Get diplomatic and PR points
-Give SAA some time to regenerate after Aleppo
-Get more groups to surrender without a fight
-Give another batch of psychos a chance to out themselves as bona fide terrorists and then add them to priority kill list
-Give more reasons to tangos to start killing each other and their sponsors
-Make it easier for Lord Kek to play nice after Jan. 20. should he really want to
-Once there is another clear line of separation start scratching names of newly updated kill list
-Reinforce Russian military presence on the coast where it really matters
Rinse & Repeat.
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Russia has well over 4000 troops in Syria. That's a lot. Imo, they only need enough to service both Air force base and navy base and that's it. Lot less than 4k
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Infighting in Idlib on its way 
Russia MoD now describes Jaish al-Islam & Ahrar al-Sham as moderate
List of armed formations, which joined the ceasefire in the Syrian Arab Republic on December 30, 2016
http://eng.mil.ru/en/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12107227@egNews
Russia MoD now describes Jaish al-Islam & Ahrar al-Sham as moderate
List of armed formations, which joined the ceasefire in the Syrian Arab Republic on December 30, 2016
http://eng.mil.ru/en/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12107227@egNews
1. Feilak al-Sham
19 detachments, total strength: over 4,000 people.
Its formations conduct combat actions in the Aleppo, Idlib, Hama and Homs provinces.
2. Ahrar al-Sham
The full name is Harakat Ahrar al-Sham al-Islamiyya.
Over 80 detachments, total strength: about 16,000 people.
Formations of the grouping conduct combat actions in the Aleppo, Damascus, Daraa, Idlib, Latakia, Hama and Homs provinces.
3. Jaysh al-Islam
64 detachments, total strength: about 12,000 people.
Jaysh al-Islam formations conduct combat actions in the Aleppo, Damascus, Daraa, Deir ez-Zor, Latakia, Hama and Homs provinces.
4. Thuwar al-Sham
8 battalions, total strength: about 2,500 people.
Armed formations conduct combat actions in the Aleppo, Idlib and Latakia provinces.
5. Jaysh al-Mujahideen
13 detachments, total strength: about 8,000 people.
Armed formations conduct combat actions in the Aleppo city and provinces of Aleppo, Idlib and Hama.
6. Jaysh Idlib
3 large detachments, total strength: more than 6,000 people.
Jaysh Idlib conducts combat actions in the Idlib province.
7. Jabhat al-Shamiyah
5 large detachments, total strength: about 3,000 people.
The grouping detachments conduct combat actions in the Aleppo, Idlib and Damascus provinces.
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Ahahahahah, clear reckoning from Turkey that Ahrar is their monster.
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@you_guys are probably right, there is a clear trend pattern here. Lets hope it works out like that. 
We're gonna pass on that, finances over here are horrific.
But I wouldn't be surprised if SDF went for it, especially after capturing 47 Raqqa countryside villages in one day
OminousSpudd wrote:I honestly think at this rate Greece should just retake Constantinople already.
We're gonna pass on that, finances over here are horrific.
But I wouldn't be surprised if SDF went for it, especially after capturing 47 Raqqa countryside villages in one day
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KiloGolf wrote:@you_guys are probably right, there is a clear trend pattern here. Lets hope it works out like that.OminousSpudd wrote:I honestly think at this rate Greece should just retake Constantinople already.
We're gonna pass on that, finances over here are horrific.
But I wouldn't be surprised if SDF went for it, especially after capturing 47 Raqqa countryside villages in one day
1. It's not over. It's merely a pause between Russians and Turks to clear up their own front porch (Russia to rebuild the Syrian State forces properly, no offense to Iran, they bore the brunt of Jihadi rats, but a heavy weight was needed to help stabilize both the front and the force). Turkey to get rid of the GCC cancer in favour of their own cancer.
2. I don't expect this "truce" to last beyond a huge rollback of the Kurdish forces within winter. Russia needs Turkey to get in and out of Northern Syria ASAP, Turkey needs Russia to at least help with the Squash the Daish, if not to get out of wedlock with the PKK bros.
3. I think this is a problem. Russia went in for a tactical deal instead of a strategic one. First such thing in 15 months of intervention. Russia is going to get the Ahrar and JaI rats next, it needs only to have the Turks busy with the Kurds while it purges those fucks.
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