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medo wrote:https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1423599321757409288
Zaranj city at Afghanistan-Iran border and capital of Nimruz province fall to Taliban.
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First provincial capital to fall
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That's a remake of Vietnam war...
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Yeah, the Americans will fret about the spread of terrorism (communism), but in the end it is the Afghan (Vietnamese) people who actually suffer and live the punishment that has been inflicted.
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Russian defense analyst Dmitry Stefanovich posted on Twitter that Tu 22M3 are are carrying out sorties near the Afghan border.
This probably means, there is a threshold to Russia's tolerance and Russia will have to bomb Taliban positions at some point of time.
This probably means, there is a threshold to Russia's tolerance and Russia will have to bomb Taliban positions at some point of time.
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That was an exercice. This guy is lying.
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Possible. Maybe Russia is not planning to bomb Afghanistan but rather just trying to figure out how best to protect Uzbekistan and Tajikistan in case of a Taliban misadventure.Isos wrote:That was an exercice. This guy is lying.
It's unlikely though that Taliban will try to enter Central Asia if they manage to run over Afghanistan. Even at the heydays of Taliban rule before 2001 they did not try to invade Central Asia.
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GarryB wrote:Yeah, the Americans will fret about the spread of terrorism (communism), but in the end it is the Afghan (Vietnamese) people who actually suffer and live the punishment that has been inflicted.
Only when it suits them. They were right behind the IRA in Ireland, a rather nasty terrorist group, who yet again showed that it works. Did help having a big Irish element in the US.
Afghanistan is another in a long line of revolutions going back into time immemorial where the people rise up against the then oligarchs (Lords, Kings, Presidents etc) and their hangers on. The main difference nowadays is the power of the weaponry, no longer a stick or sword but an AK47 and a C-130 gunship and communications, no longer word of mouth and a newsheet but mobile phones and the Internet.
The Kabul Government is staring down the barrel of a gun but is seemingly petrified of doing a deal fearing that the Taliban might not keep to it and extract greater retribution than perhaps was allowed in the document. One would hope, if there is no agreement, that there will be Taliban SF groups located not far from the runway at Kabul ready to knock down any aircraft carrying regime leaders and their stash of cash, appropriately using Stingers
fleeing leaving their hangers on to almost certain death.Not only a gun either, but a loaf of bread, as the Taliban are clearly implementing a very good strategy, control of food supplies. Apart from cash perhaps the most powerful non military weapon. Kabul and any other hold out cities are facing, going into winter, a siege of medieval proportions with no sea or other route in or out. Those 600 US Marines etc etc should already be on emergency rations.
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Sujoy wrote:Russian defense analyst Dmitry Stefanovich posted on Twitter that Tu 22M3 are are carrying out sorties near the Afghan border.
This probably means, there is a threshold to Russia's tolerance and Russia will have to bomb Taliban positions at some point of time.
Russia wants to keep it's own backyard quet in this case buffer countries between them and Afghanistan
Back in the USSR days it was Afghanistan that was buffer country but that's no longer the case
Taliban are not dumb enough to try anything that might irk Russia ever again and that's on top of the fact that it was Russia that first initiated contacts with them several years ago when outcome of the war started becoming obvious
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https://twitter.com/Paktyaw4l/status/1423942439459598337
Talibans captured city of Sheberghan, capital of Jawzjan province at the border with Turkmenistan in the north of Afghanista. Now Talibans try to capture Sheberghan airfield.
Talibans captured city of Sheberghan, capital of Jawzjan province at the border with Turkmenistan in the north of Afghanista. Now Talibans try to capture Sheberghan airfield.
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medo wrote:https://twitter.com/Paktyaw4l/status/1423942439459598337
Talibans captured city of Sheberghan, capital of Jawzjan province at the border with Turkmenistan in the north of Afghanista. Now Talibans try to capture Sheberghan airfield.
Then they had the shit bombed out of them by a B-52.
This is the (agreement incapable) US clearly breaking the Doha Agreement with the Taliban. This has the potential to backfire badly on those Americans left in Kabul once the grip is tightened.
In the meantime, the Taliban must by now have acquired access to significant money, are they going to be able to purchase decent SAM systems and teams for cash?
MOSCOW (Sputnik) - US B-52 Stratofortress bombers launched airstrikes on the Taliban* forces (terrorist organization, banned in Russia) in the capital of the Jawzjan province, Sheberghan, in northern Afghanistan, inflicting significant damage to the militants, Afghan defense ministry spokesman Fawad Aman said on Saturday.
"Taliban’s gathering was targeted by B-52 in #Shebergan city, Jawzjan province today evening at 6:30pm [14:00 GMT]. The #terrorists have suffered heavy casualties as a result of US Air Forces #airstrike," Aman tweeted.
Nearly 400 Taliban Members Killed Across Afghanistan Over Past Day
Earlier in the day, The Times reported that the US had dispatched B-52 bombers and Spectre gunships to Afghanistan to suppress the territorial advances of the Taliban in the provinces of Kandahar, Herat, Lashkargah, and Helmand.
On Saturday, the Taliban announced that they seized the southwestern province of Nimruz and the northern province of Jawzjan. The capital of Nimruz, Zaranj, became the first provincial center the terrorist movement captured since 2016.
Afghanistan is seeing a spike in violence now as the Taliban have stepped up their offensive after international troops started a gradual withdrawal from the country, scheduled to be completed by September 11. The pullout was stipulated in the agreement the Taliban and the United States signed in Doha in February 2020.
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#Afghanistan: Latest updates on #Nimruz front, 7 August 2021
The city of #Zaranj, the capital of Nimruz province was completely captured by #Taliban militants. Zaranj is the first provincial capital to be captured by the Taliban.
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Government forces retreated into #Iran with their weapons and vehicles after #Taliban attack on the city of #Zaranj. Iran is transporting Afghan government forces by air to Kabul, and this has already happened during the fall of the Islam Qala border crossing in Herat province.
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#Afghanistan: Latest updates on #Nimruz front, 7 August 2021
The city of #Zaranj, the capital of Nimruz province was completely captured by #Taliban militants. Zaranj is the first provincial capital to be captured by the Taliban.
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Government forces retreated into #Iran with their weapons and vehicles after #Taliban attack on the city of #Zaranj. Iran is transporting Afghan government forces by air to Kabul, and this has already happened during the fall of the Islam Qala border crossing in Herat province.
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Hundreds of thousands of military aged men are on their way from Afghanistan to Europe.
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Eine große Gruppe afghanischer Migranten überquert die türkisch-iranische Grenze. Hunderttausende Afghanen sind momentan auf dem Weg durch den Nahen Osten Richtung Europa, die meisten davon wollen nach Deutschland.
A large group of Afghan migrants cross the Turkish-Iranian border. Hundreds of thousands of Afghans are currently on their way through the Middle East to Europe, most of them want to go to Germany.
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Hundreds of thousands of military aged men are on their way from Afghanistan to Europe.
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Eine große Gruppe afghanischer Migranten überquert die türkisch-iranische Grenze. Hunderttausende Afghanen sind momentan auf dem Weg durch den Nahen Osten Richtung Europa, die meisten davon wollen nach Deutschland.
A large group of Afghan migrants cross the Turkish-Iranian border. Hundreds of thousands of Afghans are currently on their way through the Middle East to Europe, most of them want to go to Germany.
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JohninMK wrote:medo wrote:https://twitter.com/Paktyaw4l/status/1423942439459598337
Talibans captured city of Sheberghan, capital of Jawzjan province at the border with Turkmenistan in the north of Afghanista. Now Talibans try to capture Sheberghan airfield.
Then they had the shit bombed out of them by a B-52.
This is the (agreement incapable) US clearly breaking the Doha Agreement with the Taliban. This has the potential to backfire badly on those Americans left in Kabul once the grip is tightened.
In the meantime, the Taliban must by now have acquired access to significant money, are they going to be able to purchase decent SAM systems and teams for cash?
MOSCOW (Sputnik) - US B-52 Stratofortress bombers launched airstrikes on the Taliban* forces (terrorist organization, banned in Russia) in the capital of the Jawzjan province, Sheberghan, in northern Afghanistan, inflicting significant damage to the militants, Afghan defense ministry spokesman Fawad Aman said on Saturday.
"Taliban’s gathering was targeted by B-52 in #Shebergan city, Jawzjan province today evening at 6:30pm [14:00 GMT]. The #terrorists have suffered heavy casualties as a result of US Air Forces #airstrike," Aman tweeted.
Nearly 400 Taliban Members Killed Across Afghanistan Over Past Day
Earlier in the day, The Times reported that the US had dispatched B-52 bombers and Spectre gunships to Afghanistan to suppress the territorial advances of the Taliban in the provinces of Kandahar, Herat, Lashkargah, and Helmand.
On Saturday, the Taliban announced that they seized the southwestern province of Nimruz and the northern province of Jawzjan. The capital of Nimruz, Zaranj, became the first provincial center the terrorist movement captured since 2016.
Afghanistan is seeing a spike in violence now as the Taliban have stepped up their offensive after international troops started a gradual withdrawal from the country, scheduled to be completed by September 11. The pullout was stipulated in the agreement the Taliban and the United States signed in Doha in February 2020.
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JohninMK wrote:medo wrote:https://twitter.com/Paktyaw4l/status/1423942439459598337
Talibans captured city of Sheberghan, capital of Jawzjan province at the border with Turkmenistan in the north of Afghanista. Now Talibans try to capture Sheberghan airfield.
Then they had the shit bombed out of them by a B-52.
This is the (agreement incapable) US clearly breaking the Doha Agreement with the Taliban. This has the potential to backfire badly on those Americans left in Kabul once the grip is tightened.
In the meantime, the Taliban must by now have acquired access to significant money, are they going to be able to purchase decent SAM systems and teams for cash?
MOSCOW (Sputnik) - US B-52 Stratofortress bombers launched airstrikes on the Taliban* forces (terrorist organization, banned in Russia) in the capital of the Jawzjan province, Sheberghan, in northern Afghanistan, inflicting significant damage to the militants, Afghan defense ministry spokesman Fawad Aman said on Saturday.
"Taliban’s gathering was targeted by B-52 in #Shebergan city, Jawzjan province today evening at 6:30pm [14:00 GMT]. The #terrorists have suffered heavy casualties as a result of US Air Forces #airstrike," Aman tweeted.
Nearly 400 Taliban Members Killed Across Afghanistan Over Past Day
Earlier in the day, The Times reported that the US had dispatched B-52 bombers and Spectre gunships to Afghanistan to suppress the territorial advances of the Taliban in the provinces of Kandahar, Herat, Lashkargah, and Helmand.
On Saturday, the Taliban announced that they seized the southwestern province of Nimruz and the northern province of Jawzjan. The capital of Nimruz, Zaranj, became the first provincial center the terrorist movement captured since 2016.
Afghanistan is seeing a spike in violence now as the Taliban have stepped up their offensive after international troops started a gradual withdrawal from the country, scheduled to be completed by September 11. The pullout was stipulated in the agreement the Taliban and the United States signed in Doha in February 2020.
Sort of like the Soviets (or Russians by then maybe) provided SCUDs to the DRA following their withdrawal
And those SCUDs were used with devastating effects as well against the Mujaheddin. Ultimately it made no difference though
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Hundreds of thousands of military aged men are on their way from Afghanistan to Europe.
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Eine große Gruppe afghanischer Migranten überquert die türkisch-iranische Grenze. Hunderttausende Afghanen sind momentan auf dem Weg durch den Nahen Osten Richtung Europa, die meisten davon wollen nach Deutschland.
A large group of Afghan migrants cross the Turkish-Iranian border. Hundreds of thousands of Afghans are currently on their way through the Middle East to Europe, most of them want to go to Germany.
Hah
That's what moralizing and mass pandering to social causes gets you. The Germans responded to the initial waves of migration ideologically, trying to look good in front of the cameras.
But the waves of migration simply don't stop coming. And Germany cannot just turn around and abrogate its liberal values that they so enthusiastically championed.
The law of unintended consenquences
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Why is this jackass calls himself the "Lion of Wroclaw" while Wroclaw is a Polish city?
Is he a Pole or something?
Is he a Pole or something?
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JohninMK wrote:medo wrote:https://twitter.com/Paktyaw4l/status/1423942439459598337
Talibans captured city of Sheberghan, capital of Jawzjan province at the border with Turkmenistan in the north of Afghanista. Now Talibans try to capture Sheberghan airfield.
Then they had the shit bombed out of them by a B-52.
This is the (agreement incapable) US clearly breaking the Doha Agreement with the Taliban. This has the potential to backfire badly on those Americans left in Kabul once the grip is tightened.
In the meantime, the Taliban must by now have acquired access to significant money, are they going to be able to purchase decent SAM systems and teams for cash?
MOSCOW (Sputnik) - US B-52 Stratofortress bombers launched airstrikes on the Taliban* forces (terrorist organization, banned in Russia) in the capital of the Jawzjan province, Sheberghan, in northern Afghanistan, inflicting significant damage to the militants, Afghan defense ministry spokesman Fawad Aman said on Saturday.
"Taliban’s gathering was targeted by B-52 in #Shebergan city, Jawzjan province today evening at 6:30pm [14:00 GMT]. The #terrorists have suffered heavy casualties as a result of US Air Forces #airstrike," Aman tweeted.
Nearly 400 Taliban Members Killed Across Afghanistan Over Past Day
Earlier in the day, The Times reported that the US had dispatched B-52 bombers and Spectre gunships to Afghanistan to suppress the territorial advances of the Taliban in the provinces of Kandahar, Herat, Lashkargah, and Helmand.
On Saturday, the Taliban announced that they seized the southwestern province of Nimruz and the northern province of Jawzjan. The capital of Nimruz, Zaranj, became the first provincial center the terrorist movement captured since 2016.
Afghanistan is seeing a spike in violence now as the Taliban have stepped up their offensive after international troops started a gradual withdrawal from the country, scheduled to be completed by September 11. The pullout was stipulated in the agreement the Taliban and the United States signed in Doha in February 2020.
Talibans have agreement with China. They control now whole border with Iran and they are now pushing to capture northern towns and road. They are fighting now in Herat and Kunduz and later they will most probably capture Mazar-I-Sharif and they will control whole road, which will be the shortest road from China to Iran. China will for sure build road and railroad there and modernize existing one. China for sure will not allow too big destruction on their projects, so if needed, China could provide Talibans some modern and effective air defense weapons. China is not ally of pro-US government in Kabul. After US escape from Afghanistan, I don't know, who will allow US planes to fly to Afghanistan. Only supplies now, which government in Kabul could get, are from US planes. Other supply lines are now cut by Talibans.
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medo wrote:
Talibans have agreement with China. They control now whole border with Iran and they are now pushing to capture northern towns and road. They are fighting now in Herat and Kunduz and later they will most probably capture Mazar-I-Sharif and they will control whole road, which will be the shortest road from China to Iran. China will for sure build road and railroad there and modernize existing one. China for sure will not allow too big destruction on their projects, so if needed, China could provide Talibans some modern and effective air defense weapons. China is not ally of pro-US government in Kabul. After US escape from Afghanistan, I don't know, who will allow US planes to fly to Afghanistan. Only supplies now, which government in Kabul could get, are from US planes. Other supply lines are now cut by Talibans.
Either Iran or China or a 'stan could provide SAMs with enough range to hit the B-52. No B-52s in action over Yemen.
Kabul's forthcoming problem will be food and the Taliban will almost certainly use MANPADs, oh the irony if it were Stingers, to close the airport. Medieval type city sieges on the way. But it will spread the money round into food smuggling gangs.
Also, the B-52s seem to be operating out of Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar, overflying Pakistan as per a new agreement signed this June, after a 20 year gap, to cover the US withdrawal. What will happen after Sept 11 is of course unknown.
Interestingly, at the same time as all this is going on Israel are trying to stir up an attack on Iran. That would complicate USAF activity.
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According to the Former Director of National Directorate of Security (NDS), Afghanistan, Pakistani ISI has sent about 600 Jaish-ul-Adl militants to Afghanistan to fight against government forces
Basically Pakistan using the same tactics that it used against the USSR back in the 80s.
Basically Pakistan using the same tactics that it used against the USSR back in the 80s.
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https://twitter.com/MSharif1990/status/1424263474146910210
Taliban captured provincial capital cities Kunduz and Saripul together with provinces in the north Afghanistan. Afghanistan army flee to Kunduz airport.
Talibans control border with China and Tadjikistan, so China could start building road and railroad to Kunduz With capturing remaining provinces on the north, China will have short rute to Iran and they will build there road and railroad. it will boost economy for all there, China, Afghanistan, Iran, Tadjikistan, Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan. This silk road rute will bring peace in region as no one will want to shake trade and economy with this rute.
Taliban captured provincial capital cities Kunduz and Saripul together with provinces in the north Afghanistan. Afghanistan army flee to Kunduz airport.
Talibans control border with China and Tadjikistan, so China could start building road and railroad to Kunduz With capturing remaining provinces on the north, China will have short rute to Iran and they will build there road and railroad. it will boost economy for all there, China, Afghanistan, Iran, Tadjikistan, Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan. This silk road rute will bring peace in region as no one will want to shake trade and economy with this rute.
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So, I'm curious, what exactly does the Taliban want, if anything, from China?
I would think that China definitely has the military power to destroy the Taliban if they wanted to.
& I take it, the Taliban will (does) enforce a strict interpretation of Sharia, or Islamic law in all the areas they control....
Since 2016, the Taliban's leader has been Mawlawi Hibatullah Akhundzada. From 1996 to 2001, the Taliban held power over roughly three-quarters of Afghanistan, and enforced a strict interpretation of Sharia, or Islamic law.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban
China Offers the Taliban a Warm Welcome While Urging Peace Talks
Worried about the war in Afghanistan, China has stepped up diplomatic efforts with the government and the group to encourage a political settlement after the U.S. withdrawal.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/28/world/asia/china-taliban-afghanistan.html
I would think that China definitely has the military power to destroy the Taliban if they wanted to.
& I take it, the Taliban will (does) enforce a strict interpretation of Sharia, or Islamic law in all the areas they control....
Since 2016, the Taliban's leader has been Mawlawi Hibatullah Akhundzada. From 1996 to 2001, the Taliban held power over roughly three-quarters of Afghanistan, and enforced a strict interpretation of Sharia, or Islamic law.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban
China Offers the Taliban a Warm Welcome While Urging Peace Talks
Worried about the war in Afghanistan, China has stepped up diplomatic efforts with the government and the group to encourage a political settlement after the U.S. withdrawal.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/28/world/asia/china-taliban-afghanistan.html
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Why would China destroy their business partners? Talibans and China reach some agreements. Taliban want trade and investments from China and China want secure silk road rute and mineral deposits from Afghanistan mines. And both want to push US out of central Asia.
https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1424361940860686336
Taliban capture Taloqan city, capital of Takhar province.
https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1424361940860686336
Taliban capture Taloqan city, capital of Takhar province.
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No doubt the Taliban want to increase the prosperity of the country as that improves their chances of a long reign.
Looking around, they see that the best and only way to achieve that is to become a significant link in the Chinese Governments largest investment project over the next 20 years, the New Silk Road.
The employment opportunities in particular that that infrastructure investment, plus potential mining, will bring, as well as ongoing work and revenue have the capability of lifting the country out of its current peasant status.
It will take time but once the $ tap, that the US used very successfully in its divide and rule strategy, gets turned off we should see a more coordinated Taliban Government come into being. They did it before, without these huge Chinese related opportunities, there should be little doubt that they will achieve it again.
Looking around, they see that the best and only way to achieve that is to become a significant link in the Chinese Governments largest investment project over the next 20 years, the New Silk Road.
The employment opportunities in particular that that infrastructure investment, plus potential mining, will bring, as well as ongoing work and revenue have the capability of lifting the country out of its current peasant status.
It will take time but once the $ tap, that the US used very successfully in its divide and rule strategy, gets turned off we should see a more coordinated Taliban Government come into being. They did it before, without these huge Chinese related opportunities, there should be little doubt that they will achieve it again.
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So Kunduz is down?
This is not a small thing, even my mom heard about that place and she doesn't give two shits about anything outside Serbia, thats says a lot