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    Post  Svyatoslavich on Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:22 am

    miketheterrible wrote:For one to be kicked out of the UN security Council, Russia also has to vote themselves out.  Which is unlikely.  It would also be unlikely China would vote Russia out cause they know they are in the crosshairs as well.
    Exactly. The US and its vassals are not harrassing China too much because Russia is the "number one" enemy. If Russia falls, the Chinese know they are next and will receive all the blows Russia is taking now from all directions. That is why they help Russia, so this country can continue standing and taking all the blows while China develops, enriches and gets military stronger.
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    Post  George1 on Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:02 pm

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    Post  George1 on Tue Oct 09, 2018 4:32 am

    US Drone Spotted Flying Near Russian Border Second Time in Two Days

    Late last week, a US Northrop Grumman RQ-4 Global Hawk flew around Russia's northwestern borders for eleven hours.

    The latest drone flight, spotted by PlaneRadar, a Russian aviation resource, spotted the US drone taking off from the US airbase at Sigonella, Italy, flying over Greece, through Turkey, through Romania, and into Ukraine, making a loop in the country's east, and then heading southwest around the western and southern coast of Crimea toward Krasnodar, southern Russia.

    The US has stepped up its aerial reconnaissance along Russia's borders considerably in recent years, together with the buildup of NATO forces in the region. On Friday, an RQ-4, also taking off from Sigonella, flew through to the Baltic states, making several loops around the exclave of Kaliningrad, and then spending over three hours looping near the border next to Russia's Leningrad and Pskov regions.

    https://sputniknews.com/military/201810081068708717-us-drone-near-crimea-again/
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    Post  George1 on Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:13 pm

    There is an ongoing discussion on Twitter as to whether the state of global politics today can be called another Cold War. Cold War historians (friends & colleagues) on the whole decry such comparisons as historically inaccurate punditry. Let me be the fly in the ointment.

    https://twitter.com/DrRadchenko/status/1075317457861136384
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    Post  Nibiru on Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:20 pm

    So NATO propaganda peddlers are now openly calling for Russia's dismemberment and even offers "advice" on how to manage problems in the event of such scenario Laughing Laughing Laughing



    Managing Russia's dissolution

    Russia’s ongoing attacks on Ukraine and its persistent subversion of Western states demonstrates that Washington and Brussels have failed to restrain Moscow’s imperial ambitions.

    Engagement, criticism and limited sanctions have simply reinforced Kremlin perceptions that the West is weak and predictable. To curtail Moscow’s neo-imperialism a new strategy is needed, one that nourishes Russia’s decline and manages the international consequences of its dissolution.

    Russia is more fragile than it appears, and the West is stronger than it is portrayed. Under the regime of Vladimir Putin, which will soon enter its third decade, the country has transitioned from an emerging democracy to an unstable authoritarianism.

    Although Moscow has failed to modernize its economy to be globally competitive, the Kremlin excels in one domain — disinformation — through which it portrays the country as a rising power on a level with the U.S.

    In reality, Russia is a declining state that disguises its internal infirmities with external offensives. Russia’s economy is stagnating. According to World Bank statistics for 2017, Russia’s Gross Domestic Product (GDP) per capita ranks 62nd in the world.

    Even the defense budget is shrinking and barely reaches a tenth of the U.S. Through a combination of low fossil fuel prices, infrastructural decay, pervasive corruption and Western financial sanctions, state revenues are declining, living standards are falling, social conflicts are intensifying and regional disquiet is mounting.

    Although economic performance alone is insufficient to measure susceptibility to collapse, rising social, ethnic and regional pressures indicate that Russia is heading toward fragmentation.

    Russia has failed to develop into a nation state with a strong ethnic or civic identity. It remains an imperial construct due to its Tsarist and Soviet heritage.

    The unwieldy Russian Federation consists of 85 “federal subjects,” of which 22 are republics representing non-Russian ethnicities, including the North Caucasus and Middle Volga, and numerous regions with distinct identities that feel increasingly estranged from Moscow.

    Instead of pursuing decentralization to accommodate regional aspirations, the Kremlin is downgrading their autonomy. This is evident in the new language law designed to promote "Russification" and plans to merge and eliminate several regions.

    Pressure is mounting across the country, with growing anger at local governors appointed by the Kremlin and resentment that Moscow appropriates their resources. Indeed, regions such as Sakha and Magadan in the far east, with their substantial mineral wealth, could be successful states without Moscow’s exploitation.

    Emerging states will benefit from forging closer economic and political contacts with neighboring countries rather than depending on Moscow, whose federal budget is drastically shrinking. Collapsing infrastructure means that residents of Siberia and Russia’s far east will become even more separated from the center, thus encouraging demands for secession and sovereignty.

    Given Russia’s ailments, an assertive Western approach would be more effective than reactive defense. Washington needs to return to core principles that accompanied the collapse of the Soviet Union by supporting democratization, pluralism, minority rights, genuine federalism, decentralization and regional self-determination among Russia’s disparate regions and ethnic groups.

    While Moscow seeks to divide the West and fracture the EU and North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) by backing nationalist and separatist parties in Europe, Washington should promote regional and ethnic self-determination inside the Russian Federation. This would send a strong signal that the West is fully capable of reacting to Moscow’s subversion.

    The rationale for dissolution should be logically framed: In order to survive, Russia needs a federal democracy and a robust economy; with no democratization on the horizon and economic conditions deteriorating, the federal structure will become increasingly ungovernable.

    To manage the process of dissolution and lessen the likelihood of conflict that spills over state borders, the West needs to establish links with Russia’s diverse regions and promote their peaceful transition toward statehood.
    NATO should prepare contingencies for both the dangers and the opportunities that Russia’s fragmentation will present. In particular, Moscow’s European neighbors must be provided with sufficient security to shield themselves from the most destabilizing scenarios while preparations are made for engaging with emerging post-Russia entities.

    Some regions could join countries such as Finland, Ukraine, China and Japan, from whom Moscow has forcefully appropriated territories in the past. Other republics in the North Caucasus, Middle Volga, Siberia and the far east could become fully independent states and forge relations with China, Japan, the U.S. and Europe.

    Neglecting Russia’s dissolution may prove more damaging to Western interests than making preparations to manage its international repercussions. To avoid sudden geopolitical jolts and possible military confrontations, Washington needs to monitor and encourage a peaceful rupture and establish links with emerging entities.

    The sudden collapse of the Soviet Union should serve as a lesson that far-reaching transformations occur regardless of the Kremlin’s disinformation campaigns or the West’s shortsighted adherence to a transient status quo.

    Janusz Bugajski is a senior fellow at the Center for European Policy Analysis (CEPA) in Washington, D.C. His recent book, co-authored with Margarita Assenova, is "Eurasian Disunion: Russia’s Vulnerable Flanks," (Jamestown, 2016).

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:05 am

    HAhahaha... except all claims that the Russians are trying to undermine western democracy always seem to turn out to be british government funded anti russian troll farms or US democrat organisations paid for by the Linkdin developer to fight Russia using tactics suspected to be used by illusory Putin trolls that are never proven to exist... bots turn out to be security guards from scotland or american mothers worried about how fucked up and paranoid the west is getting.

    If Russia actually wanted to destroy the west, then American arrogance has set the stage to divide and break alliances... they just need to will to be censored like so many in the west are clearly so willing to be... note this article is by the Jamestown institute... so no surprises there.
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    Post  higurashihougi on Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:51 am

    Even the defense budget is shrinking and barely reaches a tenth of the U.S.
    so with the budget 10 times more than Russia and the U.S. armed forces still uses human loader, still uses M16, virtually no supersonic anti ship missile, their submarines are unable to completely break the Arctic ice sheet on their own, RQ-170 were unable to be invisible on Iran radars, F-35 are sitting ducks with air inlet of MiG-21 level, H-bomb still has to be rely on tritium...

    With the budget of 10 times more than Russia, the U.S. managed to facilitate opium manufacture and strengthen Taliban position in Afghanistan, meanwhile Russia together with Syrian people crushed the terrorists one by one and it is clear that Assad won't go anywhere but is the legitimate leader of Syria.

    Now the American taxpayers have to seriously think what their money are being used for.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:26 am

    Indeed the enormous US military budget has led to a huge expansion of Iranian influence in the Middle East because of US action in Yemen and Syria and Iraq and Afghanistan, leading to destabilisation in all those regions, which led to Iranian assistance to those victims of US aggression.
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    Post  Nibiru on Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:52 am

    Here is a special Vesti episode dedicated to the article above

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    Post  kvs on Sat Apr 20, 2019 6:53 am



    So CNN is basically the Democrat New York mafia.

    Good to see some sanity in the US media. But this commentator is a total outlier. The rest of Fox is much more conformist
    to the Russophobe agenda.
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    Post  kvs on Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:20 pm

    https://russia-insider.com/en/trump-needs-fire-chairman-joint-chiefs-he-starts-war/ri26883

    Dunford is an example of the lunatics running the US insane asylum. What a retarded blowhard. As if his
    pompous posturing will "defeat" Russia. The prime non-normal country on this planet is the USA. It
    defines itself as being totally different from the rest of humanity (i.e. exceptional) and grants itself
    the right to meddle in all ways including military aggression in every country on the planet.

    The whole Ukraine spiel is pure lies. Crimea was annexed by Ukraine in 1991. The Ukrainian government
    recognized the autonomy referendum conducted in early 1991. This referendum re-established the legal
    status of Crimea as not part of Ukraine. Khruschev's transfer of Crimea to Ukraine in 1954 was never legal
    anyway. The ethnic Russian majority in Crimea voted in 2014 to affirm rights which Ukraine suppressed
    after the breakup of the USSR.

    Russian support for the Donbass "rebels" is fully justified given the gross human rights abuse by the Kiev
    coup regime paramilitaries. Notice how subverting the democratically elected government of Ukraine in 2014
    is "normal" according to NATO pinheads, but Russia supporting the ethnic Russian majorities in the Donbass
    and Crimea is some epic violation of morality and international law. F*CK OFF, BLOODY HYPOCRITES.

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    Post  andalusia on Wed May 01, 2019 10:09 am

    I don't know if this deserves to be in this section but this neoliberal order run by the US will eventually fail according to this author.  

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/02/01/why-did-socialism-fail/
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    Post  kvs on Thu May 02, 2019 2:07 am

    andalusia wrote:I don't know if this deserves to be in this section but this neoliberal order run by the US will eventually fail according to this author.  

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/02/01/why-did-socialism-fail/

    The USSR did quite well for its "limited resource base". The author's thesis partly right and partly wrong. The relative poverty
    of consumer life in the USSR and Warsaw Pact was the result of the inefficiency of central planning. In theory, command economics
    is superior to profit skimming parasite economics (aka capitalism). But the command economy devolves into a bureaucratic nightmare
    that kills off the efficiency and creates artificial shortages. Russia today is not tapped into any neo-colonial wealth pipeline like
    the western colonialist powers. Yet the prosperity of consumer life is impressive. Russian citizens are not as poor as they were
    in 1989. Of course, about 15% have gotten poorer thanks to inefficiencies of the market economy. But liberating companies
    from bureaucratic suffocation is essential for Russia's survival.
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    Post  PhSt on Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:51 pm

    United Engine Corporation executive arrested in Italy at US request. Now I guess every Russian corporate/business owners can be kidnapped abroad under bogus charges and get shipped to the US? May I suggest that Russia play these same dirty tactics too?


    VLADIVOSTOK, Russia (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin complained on Thursday about Italy’s arrest of a Russian state executive on suspicion of industrial espionage at Washington’s request, saying the move would harm ties with the United States.

    Alexander Korshunov, director for business development at Russia’s United Engine Corporation (UEC), was detained at an airport in Naples on Aug. 30 after Washington issued a warrant for his arrest.

    UEC produces engines for civil and military aircraft as well as power turbines. Russian state conglomerate Rostec, which owns the engine maker, said Korshunov was innocent of any wrongdoing as did UEC, Russian news agencies reported.

    Italy’s foreign ministry said it had no immediate comment to make on the case.

    Speaking at an economic forum in the Russian Far East, Putin said the arrest looked like it was motivated by what he called unfair competition.

    “This is a really bad practice,” Putin said. “In this case we’re dealing with attempts at dishonest competition.”

    Putin said UEC had developed a new Russian engine and concluded a contract with an Italian consulting firm. “It’s a normal global practice. It’s open commercial work with European partners,” said Putin.

    Russia has repeatedly criticized the United States for requesting that Russian citizens be detained in third countries.

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    Post  PhSt on Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:10 pm

    American Pigs will not stop harassing Russia. I Demand that Russia kidnap American top business heads too in retaliation


    US DoJ Charges Russian National Alexander Korshunov With Conspiring to Steal Trade Secrets

    The US Department of Justice announced Thursday that Alexander Yuryevich Korshunov, director for business development at Russia's United Engine Corporation, has been charged with conspiring to steal trade secrets. The charge carries a potential prison sentence of 10 years.

    Korshunov, 57, was arrested in Naples, Italy on August 30 alongisde 59-year-old Maurizio Paolo Bianchi, 59, on suspicion of industrial espionage. The court filing unsealed Thursday in the US District Court for the Southern District of Ohio charges that the two "conspired and attempted ... to steal and convey the confidential and proprietary information constituting trade secrets of the Ohio-based Company A."

    "It is alleged that between 2013 and 2018, Bianchi – on behalf of Korshunov – hired current or former employees of GE Aviation’s Italian subsidiary to do consulting work related to jet engine accessory gearboxes for Bianchi and Korshunov," the DOJ press release announcing the charges states. "The employees’ statements of work typically stated that the 'the holders of patent and intellectual property obtained as a result of the work are…the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation.'”

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:44 am

    Russia needs to cancel deals with Italy if their judiciary are just going to arrest Russian citizens at any pretext from the US, clearly Italy are not reliable trade partners and need to be banned from cooperation with Russia.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:25 am

    GarryB wrote:Russia needs to cancel deals with Italy if their judiciary are just going to arrest Russian citizens at any pretext from the US, clearly Italy are not reliable trade partners and need to be banned from cooperation with Russia.

    Unfortunately we are an American and french/german colony, with the various masters something playing with different italian puppets (politician and fake entrepreneurs) that always act against Italian interests.
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    Post  PhSt on Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:44 pm

    GarryB wrote:Russia needs to cancel deals with Italy if their judiciary are just going to arrest Russian citizens at any pretext from the US, clearly Italy are not reliable trade partners and need to be banned from cooperation with Russia.

    But this move will result to Russia losing business partners in the region. just recently both Russia and Italy are in good terms, what is horrifying is how fast the US managed to cripple pro-Russian voices in the Italian government and replace them with pro NATO/ pro EU/ pro US ones. Same thing happened in Austria. If Russia did the same, US would bitch about Russian meddling/ expansion in Europe, but if the US did it there is hardly any noise. Russia should task its TV networks to mirror the same dirty tactics used by American propaganda tv channels and run damaging investigative documentaries of Italian politicians conniving with American agents to advance imperial American interests at the expense of Italy etc. Recently, Salvini has been booted out of the government, he is a well known Russia friendly politician, and for months US media has launched propaganda materials to assassinate his political reputation. His recent political misfortune can only be the result of a concerted effort by the US to bring down Russia friendly politicians across the world. And Russia is NOT doing enough to counter these moves by the US. Russia needs to work even harder to collapse the American economy, as this is the main enabler of unrestricted American interference across the world.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:17 am

    Unfortunately we are an American and french/german colony, with the various masters something playing with different italian puppets (politician and fake entrepreneurs) that always act against Italian interests.

    That is very unfortunate for you guys... perhaps when you man up and can control your own country then Russia can have honest and open business ties with you... until then why trade there and risk being kidnapped?

    But this move will result to Russia losing business partners in the region.

    In the short term it might, but Italy doesn't do business with Russia for charity, they do it to make money, so this will cost them some money.

    The question is, will the US compensate them for money lost and if they don't will Italy put up with losing business and contracts with Russia and presumably China and any other country the US does not like at the time, or will they man up and tell the US to fuck off and mind their own business.

    just recently both Russia and Italy are in good terms, what is horrifying is how fast the US managed to cripple pro-Russian voices in the Italian government and replace them with pro NATO/ pro EU/ pro US ones.

    So what you are actually saying is that Russia and Italy used to be on good terms and Italy is now basically hostile to Russia... that is OK... there are lots of other countries around the world that are keen to trade with Russia who want to do honest business and earn money.

    Same thing happened in Austria. If Russia did the same, US would bitch about Russian meddling/ expansion in Europe, but if the US did it there is hardly any noise.

    Why are you blaming the US? Europe allows itself to be used by the Americans... Europe is to blame for this cowardice.

    Either way it is not Russias problem, they are not the world police, they don't have to right wrongs and fix injustices... they will find other partners to do business with, they have plenty of options.

    Russia should task its TV networks to mirror the same dirty tactics used by American propaganda tv channels and run damaging investigative documentaries of Italian politicians conniving with American agents to advance imperial American interests at the expense of Italy etc.

    Russia will remain a good country to trade with as long as it doesn't start to replicate the bullshit the US and the British and the French and the west in general tends to pull on the countries it trades with.

    The west constitutes only a tiny portion of the worlds population and only a small part of the countries in the world... Russia can do better than to waste their time with those conniving losers.

    Recently, Salvini has been booted out of the government, he is a well known Russia friendly politician, and for months US media has launched propaganda materials to assassinate his political reputation. His recent political misfortune can only be the result of a concerted effort by the US to bring down Russia friendly politicians across the world.

    Indeed, in the short term they can appear to win, but look at Syria and Iraq and even Yemen... in the short term it looked like the US had destroyed some long term enemies and helped its allies take control of situations, but the results are that Assad is still in power and stronger than ever before... never before has Syria had an air defence network able to stop Israeli aircraft flying all over its airspace at will, and Iran is in there now right on Israeli borders. Saddam is gone but the majority are shia muslims like Iran... another gain for Iran and democracy in the region (ironic that isn't it?), and Yemen is probably costing Saudi Arabia a small fortune... they can afford it.... but with current oil prices... actually no they can't afford it... and Iran is helping out there too... the Americans have done more in the Middle East in the last decade or so to massively improve the position of Russia and Iran than they have done to help themselves... it has cost them billions of dollars too, with pretty much nothing to show for it.

    And Russia is NOT doing enough to counter these moves by the US. Russia needs to work even harder to collapse the American economy, as this is the main enabler of unrestricted American interference across the world.

    The problem there is that a US collapse could result in WWIII and is not really in anyones interests.

    It would be better for the US to pull its head in and realise it is no longer top dog, and shares the table with other countries that it needs to start treating with respect or it might end up like North Korea or Cuba itself...

    I am not like America... I don't like them but I really don't want to see them fail and collapse... I don't want to see any country collapse.

    I want to see a lot of countries progress and succeed, including Russia and China and Brazil and Venezuela and Vietnam and Korea, but that does not require any other country to fail for them to succeed.

    We all win if everyone wins. The mindset for so long has been not only do I need to win, but I need to make everyone else fail to make my win look more spectacular... what sort of ass hole thinks that?
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    Post  PhSt on Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:20 am


    The problem there is that a US collapse could result in WWIII and is not really in anyones interests.

    I agree with most of your assessment except this one. When the USSR collapsed, was there any war that followed? If today Russia or China collapse, will WWIII start? most definitely not. But suddenly when its the US that goes down the entire world burns? I think this is more to do with American fear mongering. I say make it happen then we will see what comes next. As long as the US continues to dominate world politics through its economy, it will not stop in its attempts to destroy Russia and China whenever there is an opportunity.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:35 pm

    I agree with most of your assessment except this one. When the USSR collapsed, was there any war that followed?

    The USSR wasn't acting like a petulant child like the US does, and doesn't believe it is a powerful force for good in the universe so the universe owes it if something does go wrong.

    If today Russia or China collapse, will WWIII start? most definitely not.

    You seem to have worked this all out already... if Zhirinovsky or some extreme nationalist like him but 30 years younger took over in Russia and started acting way worse than the west accuses Putin of doing now... who actively interferes in western elections like the US actually already does, and murders people openly like Saudi Arabia does, conflict would certainly ramp up and there would be many in the west demanding that there is no room on this planet for two US of As.

    What if a similar character takes over in China and turns it into a war economy to build ships and tanks and most importantly nuclear ballistic missiles... tens of thousands of them and then decides to test the waters by invading Taiwan?

    Could easily lead to WWIII.

    But suddenly when its the US that goes down the entire world burns?

    No. In fact I think the world really can't continue with the US trying to be the centre of attention and the worlds policeman and bringer of democracy.

    What I think is that if it has its crown taken away and its free lunch no longer exists and it has to again work for its income and actually do something about paying its foreign debt and not with those worthless dollars they print like confette, that a serious tantrum and nuclear weapons use could be a possibility.

    I think this is more to do with American fear mongering. I say make it happen then we will see what comes next.

    Oh yes... the wonderful... if you don't love it then leave, or even better... if you think this is bad imagine if Russia or China or North Korea were in charge... except that they don't want to be in charge like you so clearly do you pricks.

    As long as the US continues to dominate world politics through its economy, it will not stop in its attempts to destroy Russia and China whenever there is an opportunity.

    But that is the point... their economy is broken... they broke it years ago... and it needs serious changes that they really don't want to make to get it working again... politicians can talk the talk but when they get into power they owe their positions to the 1% who paid their bills and they certainly don't want to change the system that they became obscenely wealthy from... votes mean nothing when a company can contribute half a million dollars to a campaign fund on both parties sides and then control the eventual president. The system is broken, votes don't matter.

    Monsanto can make chemicals that kill birds and bees and children and as long as they bribe the elected officials who decide what can or cannot be used, with direct payments or with offers of cushy jobs at the company with enormous salaries, then those people don't have a chance... that is not democracy.

    And it is not like we didn't get warned... in the 1980s Bo and Luke Duke in Dukes of Hazzard, and those lovable rogues from the A Team were always saving pretty women in distress from evil companies wanting to steal their land or poison it or some such... but then companies became good and MacGyver fought evil foreign and domestic government entities to save America... Michael Knight worked for a private company too... the media turned away from saving us from evil corporations to foreign companies and local and foreign governments...

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    Post  PhSt on Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:38 pm


    The USSR wasn't acting like a petulant child like the US does, and doesn't believe it is a powerful force for good in the universe so the universe owes it if something does go wrong.

    But still, America threatening to start WWIII is not an excuse to support their existence, if US did start a war in the event of their downfall then the whole world will take note of it.


    You seem to have worked this all out already... if Zhirinovsky or some extreme nationalist like him but 30 years younger took over in Russia and started acting way worse than the west accuses Putin of doing now... who actively interferes in western elections like the US actually already does, and murders people openly like Saudi Arabia does, conflict would certainly ramp up and there would be many in the west demanding that there is no room on this planet for two US of As.

    What if a similar character takes over in China and turns it into a war economy to build ships and tanks and most importantly nuclear ballistic missiles... tens of thousands of them and then decides to test the waters by invading Taiwan?

    Again this is the kind of reasoning that irritates me. So when the US acts like a bully its okay, but when other countries start acting the same it risks WWIII. The reason why the US continues to behave like it is doing now is because they are yet to receive a bloody punch in the face. Now if they decide to escalate the situation to a nuclear war after receiving a crippling blow, then so be it. If nuclear annihilation is the only way to bring the world to a new era then why not? such an event will at least take care of the current overpopulation problem.

    Oh yes... the wonderful... if you don't love it then leave, or even better... if you think this is bad imagine if Russia or China or North Korea were in charge

    But they haven't been in charge yet so how can you be so sure? like what I said before, let it happen first then we will see how it goes.

    But that is the point... their economy is broken... they broke it years ago... and it needs serious changes that they really don't want to make to get it working again

    Then it needs to collapse. Russia and China needs to make this happen NOW even if it means kicking its rotten foundation to start the process of its irreversible demise.



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    Post  GarryB on Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:00 am

    But still, America threatening to start WWIII is not an excuse to support their existence, if US did start a war in the event of their downfall then the whole world will take note of it.

    I think you are not understanding my position... I am saying I don't want any country... even the US to go through collapse and civil war, mainly because the people who have created the situation and become wealthy by it are the first to run away and are therefore least effected by the eventual chaos.

    I am not saying I want the US to continue doing what it has been doing... because it is pretty clear it can't.

    Only an idiot like the ones currently in charge think one more sanction and Putin and China and Turkey and North Korea and Iran and Cuba and Venezuela will all do as they are told to do by us, because previously sanctions have been so successful against them, and as usual the sanctions mainly hurt the common people anyway.

    So when the US acts like a bully its okay, but when other countries start acting the same it risks WWIII.

    No. Everybody hates the US because it is a bully, and eventually the bully will get what is coming to them, but are you suggesting a collective punishment for all Americans because of the misbehaviour of their overlords on both sides of their political system?

    Half of Americans don't even vote, and why would they... what fricken difference does it even make when laws are decided by the money donated by big companies and interest groups who are spending money to make even more money.

    The reason why the US continues to behave like it is doing now is because they are yet to receive a bloody punch in the face.

    But that is the problem... what will happen if they do... when 11/9 happened and Saudi nationals and Pakistani nationals flew planes into things they invaded Iraq and Afghanistan... the problem with confronting bullies is that they might be cowards underneath and burst into tears and never be a problem again, or they could be very well armed psychopaths who use the confrontation as an excuse to murder and destroy even more... and the separation of the US government and ruling elite from reality makes me suspect the latter.

    Now if they decide to escalate the situation to a nuclear war after receiving a crippling blow, then so be it. If nuclear annihilation is the only way to bring the world to a new era then why not? such an event will at least take care of the current overpopulation problem.

    Yeah, see that really ignores a lot of fundamental things about the way things work. The west has it rather easy even though they make things stressful and complicated... life used to be simpler sure, but also much more brutal, much less "fair", and with less rules and structure and less hygene and medical support.

    Thinking we can have a nuclear war and then continue with a better world like Buck Rogers or Star Trek is just delusional, the fundamental destruction of the world economy as it is now has to happen... it is just to focussed on America and ignores most of the countries on the planet and stifles their growth... the world economy is designed to feed the US and its insatiable appetite, and it really is simply not sustainable. Consumerism is wasteful and expensive and counter productive.

    But they haven't been in charge yet so how can you be so sure?

    It is not something I say, it is something supporters of the current system say... which is really ironic because they are generally not billionaires and so the system isn't even designed to help them steal more from the masses, yet the fear of the unknown and years of indoctrination make them tools of the status quo.

    like what I said before, let it happen first then we will see how it goes.

    I am agreeing it needs to change, but I think a more orderly change would be better for everyone... I think the real winner of the break up of the soviet union was actually Russia, but in the 1980s who am I to say they should break up... it could have gone a lot worse and even the way it did go millions of people lost their life saving to bastards like Browder, and assets were stripped and immoral fortunes made by people least worthy to have any money at all.

    Then it needs to collapse. Russia and China needs to make this happen NOW even if it means kicking its rotten foundation to start the process of its irreversible demise.

    It probably does, but such systems have checks and balances that might not work to prevent corruption, but will certainly work to stop collapse.

    And it is really none of Russia or Chinas business who is in charge in the US... while they have these idiots in charge they are not competitive in the future and are less of a threat... besides most Americans would see outside help from any direction as a hostile attempt at interference and collusion... except the obvious attempt by the UK through the Steele document, or continuous successful attempts by Israel to shape US policy to suit their particular interests...

    It is Americas problem... the more the wield their power through control of international institutions the less power they have and the more they need to swing the bat. Using their dollar as a weapon has basically done more to undermine the US dollar as the international trade currency than anything Russia or China could possibly say or do... they control their own destiny but keep blaming everyone else for their problems... the final straw will be an attempt to ban assault rifles... that should kick them over the line.

    And yes I am going to move these posts to a more suitable thread.
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    Post  kvs on Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:23 pm



    It turns out that the "important" spy who recently buggered on off to America from Russia and boasted about by the CIA, was merely a functionary and did
    not have access to any top secret information. However, his job was to spread administrative corruption via staffing appointments. Putin needs to act.
    A 1930s purge is necessary to remove the maggots who are undermining Russia as we speak.

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