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    Re: United Armed Forces of Novorossiya (NAF)

    Post  George1 on Thu Jul 09, 2015 2:11 am

    4 th Independent Tank Battalion "August"







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    Re: United Armed Forces of Novorossiya (NAF)

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Thu Jul 09, 2015 6:50 pm

    IS that a new unit?

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    Re: United Armed Forces of Novorossiya (NAF)

    Post  medo on Thu Jul 09, 2015 7:26 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:IS that a new unit?

    From August last year. It's name is from a month of creation - August.

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    Re: United Armed Forces of Novorossiya (NAF)

    Post  franco on Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:16 am

    George1 wrote:4 th Independent Tank Battalion "August"






    4 Tank companies (40)
    Motor rifle company (BMP)
    Artillery battalion
    - SPH battery
    - FH battery
    - MRL battery

    That is a nice strike force.

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    Post  sepheronx on Sat Jul 11, 2015 1:27 am

    Do we know how many fighters are in NAF?

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    Post  franco on Sat Jul 11, 2015 1:31 am

    sepheronx wrote:Do we know how many fighters are in NAF?

    I think the best info would be ~35,000 regulars with another ~35,000 reservist.

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    Post  sepheronx on Sat Jul 11, 2015 1:36 am

    franco wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Do we know how many fighters are in NAF?

    I think the best info would be ~35,000 regulars with another ~35,000 reservist.

    Pretty sad numbers when Transistria was able to get upwards to 50,000 for being much smaller.

    Add in, Ukrops have a lot more people at frontlines.

    Now with the issue of Rusich leaving, they are screwed, aren't they.

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    Re: United Armed Forces of Novorossiya (NAF)

    Post  ExBeobachter1987 on Sat Jul 11, 2015 1:45 am

    sepheronx wrote:Pretty sad numbers when Transistria was able to get upwards to 50,000 for being much smaller.

    In theory or in reality?

    sepheronx wrote:Add in, Ukrops have a lot more people at frontlines.

    The gap is much smaller than it was one year ago.

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    Re: United Armed Forces of Novorossiya (NAF)

    Post  sepheronx on Sat Jul 11, 2015 1:47 am

    ExBeobachter1987 wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Pretty sad numbers when Transistria was able to get upwards to 50,000 for being much smaller.

    In theory or in reality?

    Well, media on both sides were stating the same thing, so I would figure that with truth being somewhere in the middle, it is the truth.

    sepheronx wrote:Add in, Ukrops have a lot more people at frontlines.

    The gap is much smaller than it was one year ago.

    Yes, I understand that Pukes have something like 70 - 80K on the borders with Novorussia. But with units leaving in protest, I have little faith in the NAF. Giving up territory to OSCE whom are untrustworthy and are scam artists, was a bad idea. Keeping them around is a bad idea. Not firing back at Ukrops is a bad idea. A lot of bad ideas that may warrant an overthrow of the NAF leaders when people had enough being tortured by the Ukrops.

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    Post  franco on Sat Jul 11, 2015 2:05 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    franco wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Do we know how many fighters are in NAF?

    I think the best info would be ~35,000 regulars with another ~35,000 reservist.

    Pretty sad numbers when Transistria was able to get upwards to 50,000 for being much smaller.

    Add in, Ukrops have a lot more people at frontlines.

    Now with the issue of Rusich leaving, they are screwed, aren't they.

    Transistria only has about 500,000 people so the 50,000 would be about every male between 18 and 45. Dubious at best, would expect the actual trained and equipped to be around 10,000 and I have actually seen a figure of 9,000.
    Remember the NAF are all volunteers, experienced, highly motivated and a lot of the reservist have also had combat experience. The UAF would have 20,000 at best equivalent, plus the rest would be poorly trained, equipped and with low morale... ready to bolt or surrender not fight.

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    Re: United Armed Forces of Novorossiya (NAF)

    Post  sepheronx on Sat Jul 11, 2015 2:20 am

    franco wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    franco wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Do we know how many fighters are in NAF?

    I think the best info would be ~35,000 regulars with another ~35,000 reservist.

    Pretty sad numbers when Transistria was able to get upwards to 50,000 for being much smaller.

    Add in, Ukrops have a lot more people at frontlines.

    Now with the issue of Rusich leaving, they are screwed, aren't they.

    Transistria only has about 500,000 people so the 50,000 would be about every male between 18 and 45. Dubious at best, would expect the actual trained and equipped to be around 10,000 and I have actually seen a figure of 9,000.
    Remember the NAF are all volunteers, experienced, highly motivated and a lot of the reservist have also had combat experience. The UAF would have 20,000 at best equivalent, plus the rest would be poorly trained, equipped and with low morale... ready to bolt or surrender not fight.

    So the 35,000 and 35,000 reservists are what current figure are, even after the leaving of Rusich or whatever the name is?

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    Re: United Armed Forces of Novorossiya (NAF)

    Post  franco on Sat Jul 11, 2015 2:29 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    franco wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    franco wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Do we know how many fighters are in NAF?

    I think the best info would be ~35,000 regulars with another ~35,000 reservist.

    Pretty sad numbers when Transistria was able to get upwards to 50,000 for being much smaller.

    Add in, Ukrops have a lot more people at frontlines.

    Now with the issue of Rusich leaving, they are screwed, aren't they.

    Transistria only has about 500,000 people so the 50,000 would be about every male between 18 and 45. Dubious at best, would expect the actual trained and equipped to be around 10,000 and I have actually seen a figure of 9,000.
    Remember the NAF are all volunteers, experienced, highly motivated and a lot of the reservist have also had combat experience. The UAF would have 20,000 at best equivalent, plus the rest would be poorly trained, equipped and with low morale... ready to bolt or surrender not fight.

    So the 35,000 and 35,000 reservists are what current figure are, even after the leaving of Rusich or whatever the name is?

    That was a very small unit, probably had to do as much with the Donbas authorities tightening control over the volunteer groups. The NAF has had to do the same thing as UAF in gaining control of the volunteer units, however they have been more successful.

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    Re: United Armed Forces of Novorossiya (NAF)

    Post  sepheronx on Sat Jul 11, 2015 2:32 am

    franco wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    franco wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    franco wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Do we know how many fighters are in NAF?

    I think the best info would be ~35,000 regulars with another ~35,000 reservist.

    Pretty sad numbers when Transistria was able to get upwards to 50,000 for being much smaller.

    Add in, Ukrops have a lot more people at frontlines.

    Now with the issue of Rusich leaving, they are screwed, aren't they.

    Transistria only has about 500,000 people so the 50,000 would be about every male between 18 and 45. Dubious at best, would expect the actual trained and equipped to be around 10,000 and I have actually seen a figure of 9,000.
    Remember the NAF are all volunteers, experienced, highly motivated and a lot of the reservist have also had combat experience. The UAF would have 20,000 at best equivalent, plus the rest would be poorly trained, equipped and with low morale... ready to bolt or surrender not fight.

    So the 35,000 and 35,000 reservists are what current figure are, even after the leaving of Rusich or whatever the name is?

    That was a very small unit, probably had to do as much with the Donbas authorities tightening control over the volunteer groups. The NAF has had to do the same thing as UAF in gaining control of the volunteer units, however they have been more successful.  

    OK, so NAF is pretty much taking control of all volunteer units and making them official NAF military, correct? As well, where did you find the reserve numbers? If that is the case, then ok, I suppose the forces are quite large. As well, I heard rumors of a NAF military bases opening up recently, are these true as well?

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    Re: United Armed Forces of Novorossiya (NAF)

    Post  franco on Sat Jul 11, 2015 2:53 am

    OK, so NAF is pretty much taking control of all volunteer units and making them official NAF military, correct? As well, where did you find the reserve numbers? If that is the case, then ok, I suppose the forces are quite large. As well, I heard rumors of a NAF military bases opening up recently, are these true as well?

    Correct.
    The Reserve figure comes from the NAF plan to recruit a 100,000 force but then downsized to 70-75,000 due to shortage of equipment. Zakharchenko stated around the time of the 1st year anniversary that Donetsk had 23,000 regulars and 30,000 reservist (plus whatever Lugansk contributed). Lugansk has about half the population of Donetsk.
    The NAF has been organized into a full military force.



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    Re: United Armed Forces of Novorossiya (NAF)

    Post  franco on Wed Jul 15, 2015 10:21 pm

    NAF finishes large training exercises in Lugansk;
    https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fria.ru%2Fdefense_safety%2F&sandbox=1

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    Post  franco on Wed Jul 15, 2015 10:30 pm

    Changes to the Donetsk Ministry of Defense explained;
    https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://warfiles.ru/show-92065-ministerstvo-oborony-dnr-reorganizovano-genshtab-vzyal-na-sebya-upravlenie.html&usg=ALkJrhhD6tjJ_wN3lhlOhnC41Pltg5PsTw

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    Re: United Armed Forces of Novorossiya (NAF)

    Post  Odin of Ossetia on Fri Jul 17, 2015 8:49 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    ExBeobachter1987 wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Pretty sad numbers when Transistria was able to get upwards to 50,000 for being much smaller.

    In theory or in reality?

    Well, media on both sides were stating the same thing, so I would figure that with truth being somewhere in the middle, it is the truth.

    sepheronx wrote:Add in, Ukrops have a lot more people at frontlines.

    The gap is much smaller than it was one year ago.

    Yes, I understand that Pukes have something like 70 - 80K on the borders with Novorussia.  But with units leaving in protest, I have little faith in the NAF.  Giving up territory to OSCE whom are untrustworthy and are scam artists, was a bad idea.  Keeping them around is a bad idea.  Not firing back at Ukrops is a bad idea.  A lot of bad ideas that may warrant an overthrow of the NAF leaders when people had enough being tortured by the Ukrops.


    I think Putin and his government have the final say on these matters.

    The leadership of the New Russia cannot do much without the help from the Russian Federation, so the government of the latter dictates the terms here.

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    Re: United Armed Forces of Novorossiya (NAF)

    Post  franco on Sun Jul 19, 2015 5:11 pm

    NAF ORBAT

    - based on previous information released on this thread plus further research. Considering the circumstances not sure how accurate but it gives some picture.

    1ST Army Corps (Donetsk)

    1st Motor Rifle Brigade "Slavic" - appears to defend Donetsk
    3rd Motor Rifle Brigade "Berkut" - Gorlovka area to Lugansk Republic
    5th Motor Rifle Brigade "Republican Guard" -reserve reaction force. Has 2-4 Motor Rifle battalions and 2 Tank battalions including the "Diesel" Tank Battalion Tactical Group
    6th Motor Rifle Brigade - appears to incorporate the various small militia units from Donetsk south
    7th Motor Rifle Brigade - appears to defend the southern zone facing Mariupol

    1st Battalion Tactical Group "Somalia" - defends airport zone
    ? Naval Infantry Battalion "Sparta" - official commando type force of the NAF, apparently includes some members with para training

    ? Artillery Brigade "Kalmius" - miner division, heavy artillery and air defense

    1st Spetsnaz Force - may be regiment size reconnaissance and special forces

    ? Military Commandant Regiment - military police security type force. Probably includes  reconnaissance and  reaction battalions plus companies / platoons stationed throughout Republic

    2ND Army Corps (Lugansk)

    2nd Motor Rifle Brigade - includes the "Zarya, Don and Bully" battalions, very regular army mobile type brigade
    4th Motor Rifle Brigade - incorporates the various militia units guarding the front lines, static defense

    ? Battalion Tactical Group "August" - mobile reserve force
    4th Territorial Defense Battalion "Ghost Brigade" - nicknamed a brigade but appears to be a Battalion Tactical Group (claims to have 3,000)
    1st Cossack Regiment "Great Don Army" - not sure of the size but would be at least a Battalion Tactical Group (claims to have 4,000)

    ? Artillery Brigade - heavy artillery and air defense

    2nd Spetsnaz Force - probably battalion size reconnaissance and special forces

    ? Military Commandant Regiment - military police security type force. Probably includes  reconnaissance and  reaction battalions plus companies / platoons stationed throughout Republic


    Aviation Unit - a couple of planes and a few helicopters

    Ministry of the Interior

    At least 3 Interior Troops Security battalions
    Berkut battalion

    TANK FORCE

    There appears to be 6 tank battalions (30-40 per) and 6-7 separate companies (10 per). This would give a total force of between 240 to 310 tanks.


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    Post  George1 on Sun Jul 19, 2015 11:29 pm

    DPR pulls 41 tanks and 84 armoured infantry carriers from engagement line


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    Re: United Armed Forces of Novorossiya (NAF)

    Post  franco on Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:34 pm

    Article on some NAF units with photos and unit crests;
    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1397314.html

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    Post  franco on Sun Aug 09, 2015 4:38 pm

    An update on Ukrainian forces (ORBAT) opposing the NAF in the Donbas.
    - includes forces in Dnipropetrovsk, Kharkiv and Zaporozhye (rumored to be a mechanized brigade/regiment in reserve in each Region)

    UKRAINE ARMY

    Armored - 1st and 17th brigades
    Mechanized - 24th, 28th, 30th, 72nd, 92nd and 93rd brigades
    Mountain - 128th brigades
    Airborne - 25th, 79th, 80th and 95th brigades
    Artillery - 26th, 55th and possibly 1 unknown
    Rocket Artillery - 1 or 2 battalions of the 19th Rocket brigade, 107th MRL brigade and possibly 1 unknown
    Special Forces - 2nd regiment and possibly 1 unknown
    Infantry (Mobilized Reserve) - 9th, 13th, 17th, 18th, 20th, 34th and 42nd Brigades (or may only be regiments, possibly 1-2 unknowns)

    NATIONAL GUARD

    2 Regiments
    20-23 battalions

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    Post  George1 on Thu Aug 13, 2015 10:03 pm

    Self-proclaimed Donetsk republic to hold first-ever tank biathlon contest

    Tank biathlon is believed to be a brainchild of Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu

    MOSCOW, August 13. /TASS/. The defense ministry of the self-proclaimed Donetsk republic will hold its first-ever tank biathlon contest for local militias and self-defense forces from the neighboring self-proclaimed Luhansk republic, the command of the Donetsk armour units said on Thursday.

    "The command of the Donetsk People’s Republic Defense Ministry corps has made a decision to hold the republic’s first ever tank biathlon contest. Tank crews from Donetsk and Luhansk will compete in tank driving skills and fire accuracy," the Donetsk News Agency quotes the report as saying.

    The armour units’ spokesman said the contests would be held for improving the tank crews’ combat readiness. The militias will be competing in the rapidity of fire accuracy, target reconnaissance and driving skills.

    Tank biathlon is a contest for tank crews competing in driving armored vehicles and accuracy of fire. Of late, it was gaining ever-greater popularity in some post-Soviet countries. It is believed to be a brainchild of Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu.

    The first international competition was held in August 2013 in Alabino, a town to the southwest of Moscow, with participating crews from Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, and Russia. According to the rules of tank biathlon, crews must navigate a distance of up to 20 kilometres (12.5 miles) negotiating various obstacles, crossing rivers and bridges and shooting at a set of targets. Tanks that miss a target get a penalty lap.


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    Re: United Armed Forces of Novorossiya (NAF)

    Post  JohninMK on Thu Aug 13, 2015 10:25 pm

    franco wrote:An update on Ukrainian forces (ORBAT) opposing the NAF in the Donbas.
    - includes forces in Dnipropetrovsk, Kharkiv and Zaporozhye (rumored to be a mechanized brigade/regiment in reserve in each Region)

    UKRAINE ARMY

    Armored - 1st and 17th brigades
    Mechanized - 24th, 28th, 30th, 72nd, 92nd and 93rd brigades
    Mountain - 128th brigades
    Airborne - 25th, 79th, 80th and 95th brigades
    Artillery - 26th, 55th and possibly 1 unknown
    Rocket Artillery - 1 or 2 battalions of the 19th Rocket brigade, 107th MRL brigade and possibly 1 unknown
    Special Forces - 2nd regiment and possibly 1 unknown
    Infantry (Mobilized Reserve) - 9th, 13th, 17th, 18th, 20th, 34th and 42nd Brigades (or may only be regiments, possibly 1-2 unknowns)

    NATIONAL GUARD

    2 Regiments
    20-23 battalions
    Not being very au fait with the subject, roughly how many men would make up a brigade/battalion/regiment? At full strength that is, as it is possible some of the above formations may not be.

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    Post  franco on Fri Aug 14, 2015 12:06 am

    A lot depends on what type of support is attached to the brigade. If it is a company of engineers or a battalion, same for artillery units etc. From figures I have seen for the UAF would suspect the following;

    Mechanized & Mountain brigade = ~3,500
    Armored & Airborne brigades = ~2,500
    Artillery & Special Forces = 1,000 -1,500
    Infantry regiment/brigade = ~2,500
    National Guard regiments = 1,000-1,500
    National Guard battalions = 400-500

    The totals vary from 64,000-70,000 just in the Donbas area, there are some of these units as reserve in the 3 surrounding regions plus other support elements.

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    Post  franco on Fri Aug 14, 2015 12:38 am

    Interfax news - Around 8,000 Ukrainian officers sided with enemy in Crimea, Donbas - Ukraine's military prosecutor general

    Considering 2,600 joined the Russian Armed Forces plus 500-1,000 the Russian Border Guard, Coast Guard and Troops of the Interior. That leaves around 4,500 to man the NAF... guess they don't need those thousands of Russian officers as claimed.

    EDIT; Tass reports the same story different. Their version is that 8,000 soldiers and policeman have switched sides to the NAF.
    http://tass.ru/en/world/814303

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