Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict]

par far wrote:There is this disturbing video of an Azerbaijani solider cutting the throat of an old Armenian, these bastards need to stop this.

Regular wrote:

GarryB wrote:

I wonder if this thread will be revived. Hopefully not. Russian peacekeepers reported that all the attacks came from Azeri side… yet they did nothing

The job of peacekeepers is to monitor and report... in that particular situation they were not in a position to do very much, but it is up to the politicians to hold the guilty parties to account... and one side releasing videos of them breaking the agreement shows a level of stupidity that is rather impressive.

Perhaps Russian missiles hitting their gas pipelines and refineries and other resources might bring them back in to line... they are seriously vulnerable to attack... and any promises from Turkey or the US will not save them.

If Armenia does not want to cooperate with Russia and thinks the US can help them perhaps they should be asking the US for assistance.... or maybe approaching Iran might a solution that will shake Turkey and the US into reality...

I agree. In perfect world Azerbaijan should get Georgian treatment for their actions. But reality is that both EU and Russia are on good terms with their country. There is no animosity. But let’s not forget that Armenian helped Russia with sanctions and they also sent peacekeepers to Kazakhstan together with Russia. They clearly changed their act. In my opinion Russia should try to stop the hostilities with all means possible.

Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:Ghost of kherson
@ILRUSSO1
️FLASH NEWSIranian TG channels report that Iranian army equipment is heading toward the Azerbaijani border

https://twitter.com/i/status/1569685376016568320

limb wrote:

Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:Ghost of kherson
@ILRUSSO1
️FLASH NEWSIranian TG channels report that Iranian army equipment is heading toward the Azerbaijani border

https://twitter.com/i/status/1569685376016568320

ig iranians are more serious about protectingn their allies than russia is

flamming_python wrote:

limb wrote:

Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:Ghost of kherson
@ILRUSSO1
️FLASH NEWSIranian TG channels report that Iranian army equipment is heading toward the Azerbaijani border

https://twitter.com/i/status/1569685376016568320

ig iranians are more serious about protectingn their allies than russia is

No you fool, the Iranians and Russians simply agreed prior to the operation that Armenia's defense will be Iran's responsibility for the duration

As the Russian leadership correctly calculated that the West will try to isolate/overthrow it and Turkey's neutrality would be vital; so they can't make any moves against Azerbaijan themselves.

US are clearly doing everything they can to destroy Europe.

But if Turkey will not honour international borders and is encouraging sectarian tensions and incursions into Armenian soil ( seizing a moment of weakness by Russia in Ukraine ) then two can play that game . Iran and Russia can ally with Syrian Kurds to start a separatist move against Turkey . This is much more effective by Iran and Russia to achieve , and will have far less serious repercussions internally for Iran . The Iranian and Iraqi Kurds will also support it . An initial practical move , an arms shipment to the Kurds and incursion into Turkey , however will be enough , and stop the Turks from further adventurism in central Asia .

The only rational explanation... those Americans really hate you Europeans... or is it that they see you as more of a rival for them with the rest of the world, so flatten your tires and drive ahead snapping up customers and trade agreements before you can.

You can't have 3 economical leaders in this world. Only room for 2.

So they made all that shit in Ukraine to anhilate european industries and specially german one (which is the only industrial coubtry left in europe).

Everyone sees it here except the corrupted politicians. That's crystal clear.

ATLASCUB wrote:Confuse Armenian elites?   They got their man already in place.

Pelosi's visit is more than just a "normal" trip. This is a well calculated play by the man (and entourage) that the Kremlin and its allies in Armenia have failed to overthrow for god knows how long. It can't be a louder message to the Kremlin.

This is playing out extremely well for the U.S.

You have the U.S offering security assurances to Armenia. You also have protests in Yerevan seeking a pull out by Armenia from the CSTO (manufacturing mass support by using a complex national crisis to rally support), while Azerbaijan and the Turks play their role of the dog on a leash. Russia is sandwiched in-between and neutralized from making any moves by trying to balance all sides. It's a masterful chess move in motion, even if it doesn't devolve into anything of serious concrete importance. At the very least these moves put the ball moving, and you never know, Armenia is a few obstacles away from flipping like Georgia.... with mainly military elites and a few older chaps holding the line. If by some chance they flip or get pushed out of the board... it's toast for the Kremlin boys. Thus, because of this, you see the U.S and its vultures make the move....you proactively shake the board cause you never know what may fall out of it.

Pelosi's visit is not by chance, it's by invitation and with high up political approval. Where is Putin? Definitely not in Armenia, but Pelosi (and America) is. Optics 101.

Overall it's like pulling the rug under the house of cards built by the Kremlin boys.  The U.S/UK going hard at the CSTO, Eurasian Economic Union.....throwing a big massive fvck you wrench to the designs of the Union State by blowing up Ukraine etc etc. They won't stop until it's all crumbling in ashes. As they should btw, you keep your dominant position in no small part by destroying your rival designs and work. The earlier the better. After all, the Kremlin too is pushing for the end of the unipolar world order, and that hits home with the anglo, and global elites - sort of gets personal you see. Challenge met with challenge. Zero sum.

It's the job of the Kremlin boys to meet the challenge and surpass their rivals. Fail? Well, some consequences are known, some you won't even dream of.

sundoesntrise wrote:

ATLASCUB wrote:Confuse Armenian elites?   They got their man already in place.

Pelosi's visit is more than just a "normal" trip. This is a well calculated play by the man (and entourage) that the Kremlin and its allies in Armenia have failed to overthrow for god knows how long. It can't be a louder message to the Kremlin.

This is playing out extremely well for the U.S.

You have the U.S offering security assurances to Armenia. You also have protests in Yerevan seeking a pull out by Armenia from the CSTO (manufacturing mass support by using a complex national crisis to rally support), while Azerbaijan and the Turks play their role of the dog on a leash. Russia is sandwiched in-between and neutralized from making any moves by trying to balance all sides. It's a masterful chess move in motion, even if it doesn't devolve into anything of serious concrete importance. At the very least these moves put the ball moving, and you never know, Armenia is a few obstacles away from flipping like Georgia.... with mainly military elites and a few older chaps holding the line. If by some chance they flip or get pushed out of the board... it's toast for the Kremlin boys. Thus, because of this, you see the U.S and its vultures make the move....you proactively shake the board cause you never know what may fall out of it.

Pelosi's visit is not by chance, it's by invitation and with high up political approval. Where is Putin? Definitely not in Armenia, but Pelosi (and America) is. Optics 101.

Overall it's like pulling the rug under the house of cards built by the Kremlin boys.  The U.S/UK going hard at the CSTO, Eurasian Economic Union.....throwing a big massive fvck you wrench to the designs of the Union State by blowing up Ukraine etc etc. They won't stop until it's all crumbling in ashes. As they should btw, you keep your dominant position in no small part by destroying your rival designs and work. The earlier the better. After all, the Kremlin too is pushing for the end of the unipolar world order, and that hits home with the anglo, and global elites - sort of gets personal you see. Challenge met with challenge. Zero sum.

It's the job of the Kremlin boys to meet the challenge and surpass their rivals. Fail? Well, some consequences are known, some you won't even dream of.

Your assessment of Russia's moves is correct - in that they are mostly ineffective or even counterproductive.

However imo stating that Erdo&Aliyev are on a US leash is a bridge too far. They are loose guns and at this point all the indicators point at them having a go at establishing that land corridor through Armenian territory. In fact they've already started it as during the Sept. 13-14 fighting they have taken up much more advantegous positions inside Armenian territory. Reminder that at its narrowest point the corridor is only 40-45 km, and that a full on invasion will likely be from two sides.

The timing would be perfect. Russia has been exposed as weak and is distracted elsewhere, the EU has just agreed on extensive new gas contracts with Azerbaijan (which they really need), the US is far away and equally occupied in Ukraine, and Armenia itself seems paralyzed by deep internal divisions and a traitorous prime Minister at the helm.

Only question mark is Iran. Based on recent history they are all bark and no bite, having their wings clipped by the (military) sanctions and sitting on a volcano themselves. Imagine Iran getting involved in the conflict. People in Tel Aviv would be absolutely creaming over the thought.

Also shout out to the peeps who during the Artsakh 2020 War were beyond adamant that Azerbaijan attacking Armenia proper would never ever happen because powerful Russia blablabla..

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