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    Is Romania an enemy of Russia?

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    Intrigado
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    Re: Is Romania an enemy of Russia?

    Post  Intrigado on Sun May 10, 2015 12:12 am

    [quote="KoTeMoRe"][quote="Intrigado"][quote="KoTeMoRe"][quote="flamming_python"][quote="sepheronx"]
    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Ukronazis... Laughing If Russia invaded Romania, Romanian army would not stand for more than a week.


    Jesus, this is like trying to jest for the sake of it. In a very informal discussion with former "Regime" guys, mid-range/high range officials, none Securitate, they said it litterally. Romania is a shadow of its former self. IT IS A FACT. You don't like it, they don't like it, I don't like it. Because these guys albeit commies, were nationalistic as hell. I can relate to these people. These guys were the reason, while strolling down in Bucuresti I felt at home. That and the filth and corruption you could breathe and smell on any corner (but that's another issue).

    I'm not CALLING FOR AN AGRESSION against Romania. Read again. The state of Romanian military, economy and State is sadly very bad. The demography is even worse, nonwithstanding the exodus. I know that, Albania is in the same damn state (we lost 400K people in two years - for a 3.1/2 million population by 2013). It is a catastrophe on the national level for Albania and for Romania.

    There is nothing elese but the truth here. These were and are my friends. These people that New Romania tried actively to jail, kill, humiliate have gotten money, power and insight all these years. As their guest they showed me the hidden part of EuroStat BS. The truth behind the Romanian "miracle";

    Chill ain't nobody drive-bying Romania.


    Well, then it's perfectly understandable. Your friends showed you the EuroStat BS but I suppose they forgot to show you their own BS. 'Cause, to me, Romania's former self meant waiting in line for hours and hours to buy the most basic goods (just imagine the fun I had when after three hours of waiting I was getting nuthin'), attending my classes with my coat and gloves on, sleeping with three sweaters on and fighting for the right to take a shower during the daily hour when the hot water was running. Can you imagine that? Can you imagine entering a shop and finding it completely empty? Did your friends tell you that after the fall of communism, we crossed into the neighboring countries (even into Moldova) and we bought all the food we could carry? Even today the foreigners are wondering why we spend so much on household heating as it's much cooler in their own homes: that's why. Because once upon a time we used to freeze. But of course, some people didn't freeze and didn't starve back then as someone up there loved them. The Party, usually.

    So you see, the coin has two sides. You took a stroll through Bucharest and didn't like what you saw? You should've done it before 1990 as to have the opportunity to compare things. Smile I'm not happy with the current state of things. But I was miserable with the previous. I'm not at all surprised to see things dangerously tilting towards foreign economic enslavement: after such regime as was the communist regime in its last 10 years, you get scarred for life. It takes a while to get back our bearings. The good news is that we spent our entire documented existence trying to recover after traumatic events (in the beginning of the nineteenth century all the foreign travelers were weeping at the sight of us and the demography was declining waaay worse than today), so I'm not getting desperate. We'll pull it through somehow.

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    Re: Is Romania an enemy of Russia?

    Post  whir on Sun May 10, 2015 1:05 am

    Intrigado wrote:attending my classes with my coat and gloves on, sleeping with three sweaters on and fighting for the right to take a shower during the daily hour when the hot water was running. Can you imagine that?
    Sorry but what you're describing is common occurrence in Western Europe and has been for decades with no prospect to end anytime soon.

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    Re: Is Romania an enemy of Russia?

    Post  dadus33 on Fri Apr 01, 2016 11:24 am

    Well guys, I am also from Romania but I don't share most of my co-nationals point of view regarding Russia. It is true that press propaganda here is very powerful and everybody who says something on TV about Russia usually says bad things. I know our country went from bad to worse since 1989 revolution... Our old leader, Ceausescu, has indeed done lots of bad things to say the least, but we were much stronger back then. We had paid all our debts to IMF and our industry was steadily growing. We made just about anything... From cars, like Dacia (made with Renault engines but Romanian design), Aro, IMS or Oltcit, to airplanes like Rombac (made under British Air Craft) and even weapons made after modified versions of russian weapons, like PA-86 made after AK-74. Unfortunately the revolution started a downfall... By 2000, almost all the factories we had were sold or simply bankrupted. To "save" Dacia, the only piece of industry we still have, our politicians decided to sell almost all it's stocks to Renault, so we now barely own anything from it.
    Sometimes I wish there was a new Soviet Union, bigger and better than before, extending all the way from the far eastern corners of Russia to Germany in the west, Norway and Sweeden in the North and Turkey and Greece in the south. After all, it wouldn't be hard for us to even share the language. Although many Romanians don't admit it, there are MANY words in our language that have Slavic origins. Besides that, we also share mostly the same religion, as we are mostly Orthodox.
    Anyways, I think that's not a thing that can ever be done, and even if someone could do that, he should do it by diplomacy not force, as I am sure nobody here is willing to start WW3. For a start, your politicians should at least halt provocative language to the eastern countries and think at us as friends, not foes, and maybe more and more people here will start thinking the same of Russia. I can also say that there are actually more pro-russian people here in Romania, but few of them admit it because of the western propaganda. I am one of the few who admit, but we are steadily increasing in numbers.
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    Re: Is Romania an enemy of Russia?

    Post  NationalRus on Fri Apr 01, 2016 11:52 am

    We could be neutral partners, trade live and let live, we a certainly not friends and never were any

    its funny how many of these small former red nations have obsession with Russia, I was born in the Baltic believe me I know, big bad Russia is everywhere while in Russia nobody talks or even notices them.

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    Re: Is Romania an enemy of Russia?

    Post  sepheronx on Fri Apr 01, 2016 12:21 pm

    NationalRus wrote:We could be neutral partners, trade live and let live, we a certainly not friends and never were any

    its funny how many of these small former red nations have obsession with Russia, I was born in the Baltic believe me I know, big bad Russia is everywhere while in Russia nobody talks or even notices them.

    I think it is mostly to do with getting peoples attention away fro their own nations troubles and turning a hateful view towards Russia. Let your anger out cause evil Russia is at fault. All the while the corporate politicians sell off anything that isn't bolted to the floor to western mega corps. And in the end, what do you have and what is considered yours? Nothing.

    Same thing in Canada now. Only real industries we have are faltering (we do have a strong small business concept here, but that cannot last forever as they are really mostly specialized industries and others are simply service industry like fast food) and are mostly foreign anyway or the ones that are Canadian, are failing hard (Blackberry and Bombardier). So what do we do? Blame Russians as an example (it is apparently Russia's fault for not ordering C400's after sanctions that is the reason why Bombardier is failing and needing another $2B bailout).

    So Romania isn't the only one. They are just sharing the same scripts from the NATO playbook and well, it is just pathetic. What is even more pathetic is that people actually follow that crap and not realize that all their problems are at home and the people in charge.

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    Re: Is Romania an enemy of Russia?

    Post  dadus33 on Fri Apr 01, 2016 8:39 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    NationalRus wrote:We could be neutral partners, trade live and let live, we a certainly not friends and never were any

    its funny how many of these small former red nations have obsession with Russia, I was born in the Baltic believe me I know, big bad Russia is everywhere while in Russia nobody talks or even notices them.

    I think it is mostly to do with getting peoples attention away fro their own nations troubles and turning a hateful view towards Russia.  Let your anger out cause evil Russia is at fault.  All the while the corporate politicians sell off anything that isn't bolted to the floor to western mega corps.  And in the end, what do you have and what is considered yours?  Nothing.

    Same thing in Canada now.  Only real industries we have are faltering (we do have a strong small business concept here, but that cannot last forever as they are really mostly specialized industries and others are simply service industry like fast food) and are mostly foreign anyway or the ones that are Canadian, are failing hard (Blackberry and Bombardier).  So what do we do? Blame Russians as an example (it is apparently Russia's fault for not ordering C400's after sanctions that is the reason why Bombardier is failing and needing another $2B bailout).

    So Romania isn't the only one.  They are just sharing the same scripts from the NATO playbook and well, it is just pathetic.  What is even more pathetic is that people actually follow that crap and not realize that all their problems are at home and the people in charge.
    Well as I said, not all of us think this way...

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