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    Post  Isos on Sat Jun 15, 2019 1:31 am

    They very well knew the difference ... just like israeli knew it was a US ship they were bombing. Like we say in french, dogs don't make cats Rolling Eyes .

    Only a stupid person can trust such people.
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:08 am

    Isos wrote:They very well knew the difference ... just like israeli knew it was a US ship they were bombing. Like we say in french, dogs don't make cats Rolling Eyes .

    Only a stupid person can trust such people.

    You may well be correct, but if the Aegis was all it was claimed to be, the true nature of the target should have been absolutely obvious, and the weapons officers would have been aware they were committing deliberate mass murder if they acted on the command to shoot.

    As with most Murican systems, their effectiveness is exaggerated to the nth degree by a full-spectrum propaganda machine designed to fool people into thinking that the Seppostanis are somehow Godlike beings whose dominance cannot be challenged (with the secondary aim to secure sales for the privately owned MIC).  Its all BS, but still they preach their "exceptionalism" and weak-minded fools buy into the mirage.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jun 15, 2019 12:19 pm

    ...except the USS Vincennes couldn't tell the difference between an Iranian Airbus A300 (on a regularly scheduled flight flying with civvie transponders and climbing to cruising altitude) and an F-14 Tomcat (allegedly conducting an attack run with non-existent air-to-ground munitions).

    Murican butt-fuckery at it finest. All hail to the Monkey Empire.

    I did a paper on that very incident in the late 1990s... it shows what can happen in a pressure situation without access to the correct information and a design bug in the system.

    The problem was that the civilian aircraft took off from a joint civilian/military airport... another problem was the commander of the AEGIS class cruiser was an aggressive dickhead.

    There was a US carrier in the area but the commander pulled his aircraft back because of the over aggressive antics of the cruiser captain.

    There were US ships in the gulf and they reported boghammers in the area, so the AEGIS class cruiser goes sailing in... it sends it helicopter out which gets warning shots fired at it... naturally... what the US calls boghammers are actually Iranian navy vessels used to police the gulf so when you send a helicopter towards them, with no way to communicate by radio you fire a warning shot to say go away this has nothing to do with you you American pricks.

    The cruiser captain took this to be the equivalent to being fired upon so he had a free hand so he went charging after these small boats firing at them with his main gun and actually sailing into Iranian waters (which technically makes it an act of war and a war crime).

    It was at this point the carrier commander pulled his aircraft back because of the actions of this ship captain... read between the lines... the commander of the US forces in the region feared this guy would shoot down one of their own aircraft...

    At this point the civilian airliner at the combined civil and military air base squawked a civilian IFF code so the weapons officer moved his cursor to a position over the airfield and it locked on to the civilian airliner... and F-14 also was getting ready for takeoff and also squawked an IFF code of a different nature... not being a civilian aircraft of course. The civilian plane took off and the visible cursor on the radar automatically tracked the aircraft... the civilian Airbus that was climbing and flying on its standard civilian flight corridor as normal.

    The problem was the actual cursor was still actually on the air base and not where it was shown on the screen so while the cursor was following the civilian airliner the actual IFF data it was displaying was for an aircraft on the base which was assumed to be an F-14.

    The result was that they saw what they thought was a non civilian aircraft closing in on them... they claimed just after the event that the plane was performing a diving attack on them and they had to fire, but all tapes and recordings show a steady climb to normal flight altitude for a civlian jet in the civilian flight corridor for the region.

    The captain and weapons officer got medals for performance in the line of duty... the people they murdered got the bare minimum in compensation if any at all.

    I seem to remember something like 6 million dollars in total for almost 300 passengers and crew...

    Of course the cost was actually rather greater than that, but was paid a few years later in Lockerbie where 270 people die in the aircraft and on the ground... but then those people got 2.7 billion in compensation... about 10 million dollars each... though whether they actually received that is up for question... it shows the value of life depends on your passport...
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    Post  hoom on Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:35 pm

    Next Buyan-M Ingushetia is on its way downstream to Black Sea
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    Post  hoom on Sun Aug 18, 2019 1:10 am

    Pics of the Baltic fleet Buyans from a Dutch chopper.
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    Post  hoom on Mon Aug 19, 2019 6:08 pm

    hoom wrote:Next Buyan-M Ingushetia is on its way downstream to Black Sea
    Must have set out a while ago, apparently this is going through Rostov
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    Post  George1 on Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:55 pm

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    Post  dino00 on Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:19 pm

    Zelenodolsk plant is developing a modernized version of the Buyan-M small missile ship, the company's general director Alexander Karpov told reporters.
    " We are working on project 21631M2. This is about the same small missile ship, only with a greater displacement and greater firepower. I hope that in 3-4 years we will receive this project for the plant," Karpov said.

    https://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=517022&lang=RU
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    Post  hoom on Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:07 pm

    Thats a weird development.
    There is already supposed to be Pantsir-M on the last several, what else might they add?

    Redut & some form of AESA?
    Sonar & torps?
    Another UKSK module or two?
    Or some combo.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:14 am

    Greater displacement and greater firepower, suggests perhaps a bigger gun and more missile tubes and a slightly larger vessel.

    Now that they have some operational experience with them they can make more informed changes in their design... maybe make them bigger to increase storage and endurance, and improved weapon outfit and sensors would make sense too.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:06 pm

    GarryB wrote:Greater displacement and greater firepower, suggests perhaps a bigger gun and more missile tubes and a slightly larger vessel.

    Now that they have some operational experience with them they can make more informed changes in their design... maybe make them bigger to increase storage and endurance, and improved weapon outfit and sensors would make sense too.

    Furthermore I see them as a complement and not alternative to karakurts, as the 22800 have a higher draft and better seaworthiness in open sea, while the 21631 are very good sea/river ships, perfect to operate in and out the russian internal waters.

    A larger 21631M2 can be also a good replacement for the gepard light frigate/corvette as the flag ship of the caspian flotilla.
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    Post  Isos on Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:24 pm

    I bet on tor missiles.
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    Post  George1 on Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:28 pm

    The Project 21631 small missile ship Ingushetia armed with Kalibr cruise missiles has left Novorossiysk for shipbuilders’ sea trials, the Black Sea Fleet’s press office reported on Monday.

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