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    Post  George1 on Wed Jun 10, 2015 11:04 pm

    Russia developing upgraded version of Oka tactical missile system — defense ministry

    The Oka system had a range of 400 km (248.5 miles) and, consequently, was excluded from the Intermediate Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF) but was nonetheless scrapped under the treaty

    MOSCOW, June 10. /TASS/. Russia is developing an upgraded version of the Oka tactical missile system (NATO reporting name: SS-23 Spider) scrapped under the INF Treaty, Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said on Wednesday.

    "There is no need in restoring the old system. We’re developing a new complex," Borisov said, adding the new missile system would be based on the Oka principle.

    Present-day technologies allow for improving the system’s range and accuracy characteristics, the deputy defense minister said.

    The OTR-23 Oka tactical ballistic missile system entered service in the Soviet Army in 1983. According to military experts, the Oka complexes made the US newest Patriot air defense missile systems completely ineffective at that time.

    The Oka system had a range of 400 km (248.5 miles) and, consequently, was excluded from the Intermediate Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF) but was nonetheless scrapped under the treaty.

    The INF Treaty signed between the Soviet Union and the United States in 1987 stipulated the elimination of all ground-based ballistic missiles with the shorter ranges of between 500 and 1,000 km and the intermediate ranges of between 1,000 and 5,000 km.

    The disposal of the ballistic missiles under the INF Treaty ended in 1991 and Russia and the United States completed their inspections in 2001.

    The Soviet Union eliminated over 200 Oka missiles and 102 launchers.
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    Post  George1 on Wed Jun 10, 2015 11:07 pm

    Iskander cover that range, so whats the point for this new missile?
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:21 am

    George1 wrote:Iskander cover that range, so whats the point for this new missile?

    If take a second glance you might see that thsy said new complex is based on OKAs solution. Not Oka recreated.


       "Why recreate the old one? We're already doing new. The principles laid down in the "Oka", determined the path of development of individual weapons systems," said Borisov during the opening ceremony in Moscow the memorial in honor of the legendary designer managed missile Sergey Invincible.

       "Technology can improve the performance, range and accuracy, combat effectiveness," added Borisov.


    Why they talked about technical OKA is Iskander exists? maybe that´s why
    In the early 2000s, experts BGTU "Voenmech" suggested the use of missiles, "Oka" for use as a life-saving support. The payload of the rocket can reach 230 kg at a distance of 840 km with an average flight time of 410 seconds.

       http://bastion-karpenko.narod.ru/Oka.html



    So this is IMHO just ¨officially¨confirmed we are busy working on SRBM ~1000km category with all best from OKA and Iskander experiences. ABM? anti-ship missiles? hypersonic speed and 1-2 warheads enough to knock US destroyer.


    I hope Skorost II can be based on Rubezh modules.
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    Post  Rmf on Fri Jun 12, 2015 12:47 pm

    its simple with better acuracy they can reduce payload and then have longer range. skorost is overkill.
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    Post  Isos on Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:15 pm

    Don't know where to put it so I let it here. Toshka-U lunch with impact !!!!


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    Post  AlfaT8 on Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:15 pm

    Isos wrote:Don't know where to put it so I let it here. Toshka-U lunch with impact !!!!



    Wow, talk about precision, what's the CEP here, 5 meters?
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    Post  Cyberspec on Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:35 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Isos wrote:Don't know where to put it so I let it here. Toshka-U lunch with impact !!!!



    Wow, talk about precision, what's the CEP here, 5 meters?

    Under 10m definately....lives up to it's name "Point"
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    Post  George1 on Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:42 am

    Soviet 9K72 SCUD-B in Afganistan

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    Post  George1 on Sun Nov 25, 2018 4:30 pm

    The developer of "Iskander" reported on the work on a new complex

    https://www.interfax.ru/russia/639131

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon Nov 26, 2018 2:01 am

    George1 wrote:The developer of "Iskander" reported on the work on a new complex

    https://www.interfax.ru/russia/639131


    soem day we'll learn that complex has 1000km range and 16Ma velocity ;-)
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    Post  George1 on Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:24 pm

    English version of history of soviet and russian missiles (up to 500km range) table, since 1960

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    And the Russian version

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    https://militaryrussia.livejournal.com/441409.html


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    Post  Hole on Fri Mar 08, 2019 5:04 pm

    The writing in this pic looks quite russian to me.
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    Post  George1 on Fri Mar 08, 2019 5:47 pm

    Hole wrote:The writing in this pic looks quite russian to me.

    Fixed
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    Post  Hole on Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:46 pm

    thumbsup
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    Post  Hole on Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:11 pm

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    The transformation from Oka to Volga. We can expect a similar treatment for Iskander after the dead of INF.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:27 pm

    Hole wrote:...

    The transformation from Oka to Volga. We can expect a similar treatment for Iskander after the dead of INF.


    Sweet, they won't even have to use different trucks

    This is precisely what the doctor ordered thumbsup
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Mar 10, 2019 8:47 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:This is precisely what the doctor ordered thumbsup

    one Volga per day keeps NATO aggression away russia russia russia

    talking about trucks
    http://www.russianarms.ru/forum/index.php?topic=3815.0



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    Post  Hole on Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:18 pm

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    A two-stage Iskander would be 1,5m longer. The current missile seems to fit very well. I would say a longer truck is inevitable.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:24 pm

    Hole wrote:..

    A two-stage Iskander would be 1,5m longer. The current missile seems to fit very well. I would say a longer truck is inevitable.

    In that case they can slide in largest second stage they can find, go crazy
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:02 am

    Hole wrote:
    A two-stage Iskander would be 1,5m longer. The current missile seems to fit very well. I would say a longer truck is inevitable.

    They wouldn't need to change the truck, nor the lower trailer, all that they would need to do is elongate the container cabin that sits above the trailer. Like a semi-truck, it could have many different loads/freight sizes and shapes, but a semi-trucks truck-cabin and trailer stays the same.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:12 am

    If you can get away with only a minor modification of existing platforms that would be ideal... you could update them all but only gradually introduce the new missiles, or you can stop production of the old model missiles and only make the new ones... depending on how much you want to spend.

    Of course from the NATO perspective when they all appear with new rear cabins able to take new longer missiles they wont have any idea of which missile is being carried and so they will guess a production rate and make some assumptions.

    Of course the extra cabin length means longer cruise missiles could be carried too... and might allow the loading of a ground launched Zircon missile to be carried...

    Of course down the track in 2-3 years time the Americans might have a new leader who wants to sign agreements and get rid of these weapons again, so you don't want to invest too much money in upgrading the systems only to have to revert to old models because some politician wants to sign a new agreement.

    Keeping it cheap for Russia is a key.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:12 am

    GarryB wrote:If you can get away with only a minor modification of existing platforms that would be ideal... you could update them all but only gradually introduce the new missiles, or you can stop production of the old model missiles and only make the new ones... depending on how much you want to spend.

    Of course from the NATO perspective when they all appear with new rear cabins able to take new longer missiles they wont have any idea of which missile is being carried and so they will guess a production rate and make some assumptions.

    Of course the extra cabin length means longer cruise missiles could be carried too... and might allow the loading of a ground launched Zircon missile to be carried...

    Of course down the track in 2-3 years time the Americans might have a new leader who wants to sign agreements and get rid of these weapons again, so you don't want to invest too much money in upgrading the systems only to have to revert to old models because some politician wants to sign a new agreement.

    Keeping it cheap for Russia is a key.

    Be realistic hear, that ain't happening.

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