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    Post  2SPOOKY4U on Mon Jun 29, 2015 1:13 am

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20150628/1023954331.html

    Russia is test-launching a new hypersonic attack aircraft that can carry nuclear warheads and penetrate missile defense systems, US media said citing a report by Jane's Information Group.
    The development of the Yu-71 vehicle took several years, and Russia reportedly conducted the most recent test flight on February 26, with an SS-19 missile trying to deliver the Yu-71 to space. The new hypersonic aircraft is part of Moscow's plans to modernize its Strategic Missile Forces.

    Yu-71, a secret missile program codenamed "Project 4202", has probable speed of up to 11,200 kmh (7,000 mph) and is extremely maneuverable, which makes it an incredibly dangerous and a hardly targetable weapon.

    Thanks to its speed and unpredictable trajectory, Yu-71 can evade an enemy's missile defense systems.

    "This would give Russia the ability to deliver a guaranteed small-scale strike against a target of choice; if coupled with an ability to penetrate missile defenses, Moscow would also retain the option of launching a successful single-missile attack."

    The report's authors assume that Russia may put into service up to 24 nuclear-capable Yu-71 aircraft between 2020 and 2025. Moreover, by that time Russia may have developed the Sarmat - a new ICBM that will carry the new hypersonic device.

    The report also said that Russia's next generation strategic stealth bomber PAK DA will carry hypersonic cruise missiles.


    "Russia may put into service up to 24 nuclear-capable Yu-71 aircraft"


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    Post  max steel on Mon Jun 29, 2015 8:58 am

    But project 4202 february test was apparently unsuccessful . Mad
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    Post  2SPOOKY4U on Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:30 am

    max steel wrote:But project 4202 february test was apparently unsuccessful . Mad

    Source? Proof? Link?
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    Post  George1 on Mon Jun 29, 2015 10:08 am

    Secret Russian Hypersonic Nuke Glider Can Pierce Any Missile Defense

    Extremely maneuverable, ultra-fast and elusive, the hypersonic Yu-71 can break through any missile defense system, military experts said. Russia has reportedly carried out four tests already.
    The Russian military is receiving new man-portable air-defense systems that outshine such powerful weapons as the Stinger and Igla-S.

    Russia is test-launching a new hypersonic attack aircraft that can carry nuclear warheads and penetrate missile defense systems, US media said citing a report by Jane's Information Group.

    The development of the Yu-71 vehicle took several years, and Russia reportedly conducted the most recent test flight on February 26, with an SS-19 missile trying to deliver the Yu-71 to space. The new hypersonic aircraft is part of Moscow's plans to modernize its Strategic Missile Forces.

    Yu-71, a secret missile program codenamed "Project 4202", has probable speed of up to 11,200 kmh (7,000 mph) and is extremely maneuverable, which makes it an incredibly dangerous and a hardly targetable weapon.

    Thanks to its speed and unpredictable trajectory, Yu-71 can evade an enemy's missile defense systems.

    "This would give Russia the ability to deliver a guaranteed small-scale strike against a target of choice; if coupled with an ability to penetrate missile defenses, Moscow would also retain the option of launching a successful single-missile attack."

    The report's authors assume that Russia may put into service up to 24 nuclear-capable Yu-71 aircraft between 2020 and 2025. Moreover, by that time Russia may have developed the Sarmat - a new ICBM that will carry the new hypersonic device.

    The report also said that Russia's next generation strategic stealth bomber PAK DA will carry hypersonic cruise missiles.

    China has tested its hypersonic strike vehicle Wu-14 at least four times since January 2014, seriously alarming the Pentagon, as the device may reportedly neutralize the US anti-missile shield.

    The United States is also engineering a similar device AHW (Advanced Hypersonic Weapon) as a part of its Prompt Global Strike program, which is not covered by the 2010 New START Treaty with Russia.

    Jane's experts predict that Moscow may use the new hypersonic aircraft as an ace in the sleeve during arms control talks with Washington.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20150628/1023954331.html#ixzz3eQru4Jq4


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    Post  max steel on Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:00 pm

    Check Hypersonic weapons thread .
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jun 29, 2015 1:03 pm

    Hardly important... you can often learn more from a failure than from a success...


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    Post  marcellogo on Mon Jun 29, 2015 1:38 pm

    Don't understand: it is supposed to be launched by some intercontinental ballstic missile or will at a certain point be able to take off by normal means?

    In the first case, apart for needing a Baikonur style preparation every time , it would mean a big nuclear missile alert every time one of them is launched.
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    Post  max steel on Mon Jun 29, 2015 7:47 pm

    Hypersonic Missile Arm Race: US Walking a Tightrope in East Asian Region




    Washington is walking a tightrope in the East Asian region: the Sino-American hypersonic missile arm race may prompt a rapid escalation of tensions between the two sides with certain destabilizing effects, military expert Eleni G. Ekmektsioglou notes.

    The hypersonic missile arm race between the United States and China may prompt a rapid military escalation in the East Asian region, dragging it into the abyss of instability, PhD Researcher and Research Assistant at the American University School of International Service Eleni G. Ekmektsioglou noted.

    According to the scholar "military thinking so far has been dominated by the use of brute force… instead of coercive force that leaves the final choice to the opponent."

    "The latter [coercive force] would be more expedient in a regional conflict scenario where the United States faces a nuclear force while at the same time the objective at stake does not justify an all-out war effort," she elaborated.


    The United States has been pursuing its conventional prompt global strike (CPGS) high precision technology, aimed at "striking a target anywhere in the world within one hour's time," since late 1970s. The idea has caught its second wind after 9/11, during the Bush administration.

    Although CPGS had been initially meant for counterterrorism operations, very soon the concept has taken on a new meaning of a prompt "counternuclear" strike. "Counternuclear is broader and more comprehensive than counterforce since it targets nuclear warheads, C4ISR systems as well as production and storage facilities," the scholar elaborated.

    The Obama administration praises the development of the CPGS program. However, Washington's course has triggered growing concerns among Chinese policy-makers. Beijing fears that the program is aimed at containing China.

    "Specifically, Chinese experts talk about the scenario of China being subject to American coercion, a concern that is mainly due to US nuclear superiority, which — married to BMD [Ballistic Missile Defense] and a conventional pre-emptive strike enabled by CPGS — puts at risk the Chinese retaliatory capability," Ms. Ekmektsioglou emphasized.

    In order to equalize opportunities, China kicked off its own hypersonic missile projects. The Chinese tests carried out in January and August 2014 had demonstrated clearly that Beijing entered the competition.

    "Over the last several years, talk has heated up over Beijing's DF-21D anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM), with a maneuverable warhead and range at around 1,500 km, taking many U.S. experts and high echelon officers by surprise," the scholar stressed.


    he CPGS technology is considered a game changer in the traditional warfare. Indeed, its accuracy and speed that allows to penetrate an adversary's BMD systems may significantly bolster both US' and China's military capabilities.

    But on the other hand, it leads to "two-sided escalation situations."
    A surprise attack and a tough response to it leave "no room for signaling and diplomacy," and, unfortunately, the "escalation control" is just a "wishful thinking" in the troublesome East Asian regional environment.

    "Hypersonic weapons add to the complexity and elusiveness of the escalatory dynamics and this is something both sides will need to plan for," the scholar emphasized.


    http://sputniknews.com/military/20150628/1023960432.html#ixzz3eTD0ziSV
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    Post  2SPOOKY4U on Mon Jun 29, 2015 8:36 pm

    marcellogo wrote:Don't understand: it is supposed to be launched by some intercontinental ballstic missile or will at a certain point be able to take off by normal means?

    In the first case, apart for needing a Baikonur style preparation every time , it would mean a big nuclear missile alert every time one of them is launched.

    "Baikonur style preparation every time"

    You do realize it is launched off of Topol-M?

    Which is a silo-based missile, no warning.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jul 01, 2015 7:14 am

    In the first case, apart for needing a Baikonur style preparation every time , it would mean a big nuclear missile alert every time one of them is launched.

    Not when you can launch ICBMs from the back of a truck that is not bound by the new START treaty on where it can be located and where it can operate... Smile

    They could load it on to an AN-124 and fly it to a small airfield in Cuba... drive down the ramp of the aircraft and launch... drive back into the Antonov and fly away... Smile

    It is not a nuclear weapon as such so it could be flown to Cuba or anywhere they want...


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    Post  jhelb on Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:56 am

    GarryB wrote:Not when you can launch ICBMs from the back of a truck that is not bound by the new START treaty on where it can be located and where it can operate...  Smile

    Garry, what would be the weight of a Russian ICBM that can be launched from the back of a truck?

    IIRC, the 100 ton ICBMs can only be launched from silos and not truck.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jul 01, 2015 10:53 am

    Depends how heavy your glider is... the TOPOL-M launches a 47 ton missile with a 1.2 ton payload 11,000kms... I am pretty sure that if the payload had its own propulsion a similar range could be achieved with a heavier payload...


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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Jul 01, 2015 11:32 am

    Russia is working to create an "Airborne launch"

    http://topwar.ru/32976-rossiya-rabotaet-nad-sozdaniem-vozdushnogo-starta.html

    After 2-3 years the Russian aviation and missile system for space applications, developed within the framework of the project "Air launch", may conduct the first tests. Latest version ARCC "Air launch" was presented at the held in Zhukovsky near Moscow air show MAKS-2013. The implementation of this project deals with the State rocket center (SRC). Makeev, who developed it jointly with a private company "Flight". Leading specialist grts Sergey Egorov in an interview with the website "Socinformburo" noted that in 2-3 years we will know all. According to Yegorov, the company "Flight" is ready to provide for practical tests of the An-124-100 "Ruslan". In the initial phase of testing with the help of the layout will be observing the discharge of the cargo from the aircraft and the initial stages of launch.

    Sergey Egorov noted that the interest in this innovative project has increased, including from the Ministry of defense of Russia, and therefore expressed the hope to achieve good results. The expert believes that this project can be used to launch military satellites. Air launch is a project, which is a system that orbit the Earth spacecraft with the help of the carrier rocket on environmentally friendly fuel, which starts aboard large transport aircraft A-124-100.

    "Ruslan" with a missile, which is in a reusable container, in a given area at an altitude of about 10,000 meters performs a "hill". At this point the missile is ejected from the container with the help of parageneratorov, at a distance of 200-250 meters away from the plane it turns on the main engine and controlled flight starts on a given trajectory of the orbit. Specialist grts them. Makeev, highlighted some of the major advantages of the complex with this method start. In the first place is no need to build expensive starting ground complexes, the use of different areas of start-up, early planning exclusion zones for drop detachable stage of the rocket, as well as the possibility of increasing the payload.





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    Not when you can launch ICBMs from the back of a truck that is not bound by the new START treaty on where it can be located and where it can operate... Smile

    They could load it on to an AN-124 and fly it to a small airfield in Cuba... drive down the ramp of the aircraft and launch... drive back into the Antonov and fly away... Smile

    It is not a nuclear weapon as such so it could be flown to Cuba or anywhere they want...

    An-124 is in little nos and vulnerable for AAD. And why to Cuba? Cuba is about beautiful music, sexy ladies and very friendly people and Cohibas (as far as I had contacts with Cubans Smile

    Better airborne ICBM launch. Costs are not lowest but survivability in huge country like Russia is priceless! Technology looks like is not there is just in reach. And there are no legal problems with this since 2009 no starts salts and so on do not fobid Russia to do it (AFAIK previously US demanded to include airbocne ICBM launch guess why? Smile ...







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    GarryB wrote:Not when you can launch ICBMs from the back of a truck that is not bound by the new START treaty on where it can be located and where it can operate...  Smile

    Garry, what would be the weight of a Russian ICBM that can be launched from the back of a truck?

    IIRC, the 100 ton ICBMs can only be launched from silos and not truck.

    No so much pessimism, mate. There are mobile ICBMs on trucks like Rubezh/Yars Smile

    Yars ~49ton
    Bulava ~36 tons

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    Post  jhelb on Wed Jul 01, 2015 12:07 pm

    GarryB wrote:I am pretty sure that if the payload had its own propulsion a similar range could be achieved with a heavier payload...

    Yes, MIRVs do have propulsion. That is also how they maneuver. However the propulsion comes into play only after the payload leaves the missile.

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    No so much pessimism, mate. There are mobile ICBMs on trucks like Rubezh/Yars Smile

    Yars ~49ton
    Bulava ~36 tons

    That's what I said as well Very Happy

    The heavier 100 ton ICBMs can only be launched from silos and not trucks.
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    Post  Redboy on Wed Jul 01, 2015 1:48 pm

    Airborne launch is not quite new idea, there was an idea to launch satelites to orbit from TU-160. Iam not sure how far the whole concept was ( technology demonstrator, prototype?) but was canceled like any other interesting stuff in 90s.

    http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/burlak.htm

    And another airborne lauch project which atleast got to prototype stadium was anti-satelite system 30P6 Kontakt launched from modified Mig-31d.
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    Post  max steel on Wed Jul 01, 2015 11:39 pm

    Object “4202”: to the shores of America by hypersonic attack aircraft
    Extremely maneuverable, ultra-fast and elusive, the hypersonic Yu-71 can break through any missile defense system, military experts said. Russia has reportedly carried out four tests already.
    Russia is test-launching a new hypersonic attack aircraft that can carry nuclear warheads and penetrate missile defense systems with an SS-19 missile trying to deliver the Yu-71 to space. The new hypersonic aircraft is part of Moscow’s plans to modernize its Strategic Missile Forces.


    Russia is wasting its time and resources on this project . My opinion with some doubts :-

    1) Why not go for a hypersonic glider vehicle which will work and launch as a conventional ICBM launching from your own or your ally's territory and striking the target in lesser time and doing much damage due to its high intensity . If chinese and yanks can make it work then why can't russians ? American defenses perormance against russian nukes is known to us already .Just imagine russians parking such gliders in cuba .


    2) As russia defence stated they're making a hypersonic aircraft . Few more question arises

    a) Whether this aircraft will be manned or unmanned ? If they are making it a manned plane then why are they risking pilot's life in the mission ?

    b) Since it's a hypersonic plane it'll be performing the same role of what russian bombers ( Tupolev and others ) do isn't it ? The only advantage with this aircraft will be it can reach american territory faster nothing else .

    Whether russians yu-71 will launch nuclear warhead from outside of american airspace or it'll enter american airspace to make a more resounding impact ?

    Are russians counting on americans IADS inability or are they overconfident ? Americans for sure will track this plane coming towards their coast . They'll shoot it down using their IADS /SAM's before it comes near to launch its nukes . They can moreover use NORAD to shoot it down .Now what's the point of making such an expensive plane if it gets shot down before delivering the warhead .


    When it'll get shot down the SS-19 nuclear warhead in it will become useless and will rather submerge in pacific ocean . Waste of nuclear missile .


    c) Most important point is russians don't have pre-emptive nuclear strike doctrine . Then this plane's role becomes more useless . Because americans will be the first one calling for a nuke attack now when icbm's will be raining in thousands what exactly will this plane do in such a scenario ? It'll be futile to make it travel towards american coast at that time . Unless russians are targetting european nation with it then it's still viable otherwise it's of no use . If russia is bold enough to park it near american territories only then it's useful to go for such a project .
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    Post  2SPOOKY4U on Wed Jul 01, 2015 11:50 pm

    max steel wrote:Object “4202”: to the shores of America by hypersonic attack aircraft
    Extremely maneuverable, ultra-fast and elusive, the hypersonic Yu-71 can break through any missile defense system, military experts said. Russia has reportedly carried out four tests already.
    Russia is test-launching a new hypersonic attack aircraft that can carry nuclear warheads and penetrate missile defense systems with an SS-19 missile trying to deliver the Yu-71 to space. The new hypersonic aircraft is part of Moscow’s plans to modernize its Strategic Missile Forces.  


    Russia is wasting its time and resources on this project . My opinion with some doubts :-

    1) Why not go for a hypersonic glider vehicle which will work and launch as a conventional ICBM launching from your own or your ally's territory and striking the target in lesser time and doing much damage due to its high intensity . If chinese and yanks can make it work then why can't russians ? American defenses perormance against russian nukes is known to us already .Just imagine russians parking such gliders in cuba .


    2) As russia defence stated they're making a hypersonic aircraft . Few more question arises

     a) Whether this aircraft will be manned or unmanned ? If they are making it a manned plane then why are they risking pilot's life in the mission ?

     b) Since it's a hypersonic plane it'll be performing the same role of what russian bombers ( Tupolev and others )  do isn't it ? The only advantage with this aircraft will be it can reach american territory faster nothing else .

       Whether russians yu-71 will launch nuclear warhead from outside of american airspace or it'll enter american airspace to make a more resounding impact ?

    Are russians counting on americans IADS inability or are they overconfident ? Americans for sure will track this plane coming towards their coast . They'll shoot it down using their IADS /SAM's before it comes near to launch its nukes . They can moreover use NORAD to shoot it down .Now what's the point of making such an expensive plane if it gets shot down before delivering the warhead .


    When it'll get shot down the SS-19 nuclear warhead in it will become useless and  will rather submerge in pacific ocean . Waste of nuclear missile .


    c) Most important point is russians don't have pre-emptive nuclear strike doctrine . Then this plane's role becomes more useless . Because americans will be the first one calling for a nuke attack now when icbm's will be raining in thousands what exactly will this plane do in such a scenario ? It'll be futile to make it travel towards american coast at that time . Unless russians are targetting european nation with it then it's still viable otherwise it's of no use . If russia is bold enough to park it near american territories only then it's useful to go for such a project .


    Lol.


    The reason why the Russians might be making a hypersonic aircraft is because it is easier to make a hypersonic aircraft that then travels a distance and then deploy a hypersonic missile.

    If you try to make a hypersonic missile that goes all the way to the target, it will be VERY expensive.

    I believe that it has been mentioned that Russia is going for a global strike capability.

    This will be carried out by the new 100-tonne ICBM that will have conventional capability.

    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20121214/914773044.html

    commander of the Strategic Missile Forces, Colonel-General Sergei Karakayev wrote:The presence of a powerful liquid RVSN ICBM will implement and features such as the creation of a strategic precision weapon with non-nuclear equipment with nearly global reach, if the US will not give up its program of creating such missile systems


    IF Sputnik is correct in its assumption that the Yu-71 aircraft is:

    1. Manned

    2. Actually an aircraft

    Then it will occupy something far more significant of a role.
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    Post  max steel on Wed Jul 01, 2015 11:59 pm

    but my doubts still remain unanswered . 


    The reason why russia isnt going for glider is due to cost thats the only reason ? 

    Russia wants to achieve PGS via new Sarmat icbm ?
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    Post  2SPOOKY4U on Thu Jul 02, 2015 12:05 am

    max steel wrote:but my doubts still remain unanswered . 


    The reason why russia isnt going for glider is due to cost thats the only reason ? 

    Russia wants to achieve PGS via new Sarmat icbm ?

    You understand that there is a nuclear triad?

    Submarine, Aircraft, and Ground based.

    Russia has updated its Submarine-based nuclear forces with Borei-SSBN/Bulava SLBM

    Russia is now updating its Aircraft-based nuclear forces with PAK-DA and/or Yu-71.

    Russia is also now updating its Ground-based nuclear forces with Sarmat, which has hypersonic maneuvering capability. Just like your precious "gliders" you insist upon.

    This talk of hypersonic aircraft is to update the air-based nuclear forces.

    What this all means is that Russia might be getting both a ICBM with conventional MARV capability, as well as hypersonic aircraft capability.
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    Post  max steel on Thu Jul 02, 2015 12:21 am

    Thanks for the additional info but consider a hypothetical case . Russia makes Yu71 to launch nuclear ss-19 at americans . Now read my doubts again ( from point 2 ) an help me in solving my queries .

    Sarmat or the new icbm will have MARV capabilities ? I think you're wrong .  MARV's are without a doubt more viable as an anti-ABM strategy now that the U.S. has chosen the kinetic kill vehicle concept over the nuclear armed interceptor concept. A very slight trajectory shift of no more than a few feet is all that would be required to defeat a kinetic kv. That being said, the continued failures of Russia's MARV program are somewhat baffling. The basic, original MARV concept was simply the standard conical reentry vehicle with 4 simple thrusters flush mounted and arranged 90 degrees from each other. Yet, we now see images of reentry vehicles that look like hypersonic aircraft designs. This seems like an unnecessarily complicated means of making small trajectory shifts.
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    Post  2SPOOKY4U on Thu Jul 02, 2015 12:34 am

    max steel wrote:Thanks for the additional info but consider a hypothetical case . Russia makes Yu71 to deliever nuclear ss-19 at americans . Now read my doubts again ( from point 2 ) an help me in solving my queries .

    Perhaps instead of ordering me to read your "doubts", you should instead pick up a book about Nuclear triads and how they differ from each other. Thusly, place your hands firmly on the sides of the book, and accelerate the book to a significant velocity, with its vector pointing towards your head. Upon impact, pray that the required information from the book will find itself suddenly transferred to your brain through reverse osmosis.

    One more time, Yu-71 will NOT deliver SS-19.

    It will have different weaponry. Most likely Zircon.

    Sarmat, will have your precious hypersonic glider.

    The reason for a hypersonic aircraft is because using a ICBM to deliver a conventional payload is rather wasteful, and extremely alarming to other nations.

    So the new ICBM will possess a conventional hypersonic strike capability, but the most likely delivery vehicle for a conventional hypersonic strike will be this aircraft.

    Questions or concerns?

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    Post  max steel on Thu Jul 02, 2015 12:52 am

    SS-19 missile was used to deliever Yu-17 to space in previous test . My bad . Ohk so it'll be carrying something else and some sources claim it's Mach 10 capable .
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    Post  2SPOOKY4U on Thu Jul 02, 2015 12:59 am

    Sputnik has been really confusing with its article.

    It says that it is an aircraft, yet tested off of SS-19.

    Perhaps they tested the engine, or a small scale model?

    Anyway, if it is an aircraft, then it is quite clever.


    Russia replaces Tu-22, Tu-95MS, and Tu-160 in the conventional role, with Yu-71 replacing Tu-95MS and Tu-160 in the nuclear role.
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    Post  max steel on Thu Jul 02, 2015 1:11 am

    I also had similar doubts . If its an aircraft then why are they using ss-19 to fire it to space , one will use it only in case of a glider vehicle or maybe they are confuisng hypersonic glider with an aircraft .


    I've one question do you think it's viable to attack a nation having capable iads with a nuclear bomber ?

    " Sarmat, will have your precious hypersonic glider.

    The reason for a hypersonic aircraft is because using a ICBM to deliver a conventional payload is rather wasteful, and extremely alarming to other nations.

    So the new ICBM will possess a conventional hypersonic strike capability, but the most likely delivery vehicle for a conventional hypersonic strike will be this aircraft "

    Now is Sarmat and the new ICBM same or are they both different ? Do you've any source citing sarmat will carry gliders ? because acc to it russia isn't going for gliders at all . Maybe they'll be using this new ICBM to carry Yu-71 to space . Currently they're failing with SS-19 in tests maybe thats why they are going for new ICBM . Seems possible .
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    Re: Russia, US and other developments in Hypersonic Research

    Post  2SPOOKY4U on Thu Jul 02, 2015 1:22 am

    max steel wrote:I also had similar doubts . If its an aircraft then why are they using ss-19 to fire it to space , one will use it only in case of a glider vehicle or maybe they are confuisng hypersonic glider with an aircraft .


    I've one question do you think it's viable to attack a nation having capable iads with a nuclear bomber ?

    Now is Sarmat and the new ICBM same or are they both different ? Do you've any source citing sarmat will carry gliders ? because acc to it russia isn't going for gliders at all . Maybe they'll be using this new ICBM to carry Yu-71 to space . Currently they're failing with SS-19 in tests maybe thats why they are going for new ICBM . Seems possible .

    The thing is, Russia has the most sophisticated IADS in the world, B-2s wont dare go in.

    Russia having a hypersonic vehicle is a nightmare for America, while America having a hypersonic vehicle is simply another variable to account for in the design of the S-500.

    I know for a fact that RS-26 has hypersonic maneuvering capability. Sarmat will most likely have conventional hypersonic capability is my guess.

    Here is a link that you should read, about new generation of ICBM in RF forces.

    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20121214/914773044.html

    I have no clue what Yu-71 is, again it might be a glider but Sputnik mentions it as aircraft.

    I think they were testing the engine or a small scale model.

    I think we need more information before making assumptions about failures.

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