RUSSIA - INDIA Military Contracts

KiloGolf wrote:

gaurav wrote:IN G20- even Philipines who just survives on young women ..had the guts to stand upto Obama.. this creature representing 3 billion
Indians in the world was busy boot polishing the U.S for importing F-16 and F-18 junks into INdia.

There's nothing wrong with either of these aircraft per se.
It's just that such acquisitions will add to the existing logistical nightmare that their Air Force is facing.

India is naively but slowly moving away from Russia when it comes to military aircraft purchases. The list is already very long.

None of the above US fighter will be bought, US may try its best, have a look below Russia-India defence contracts since 2000, At least 40b$ worth of Indo-Russian arms agreement are in advanced stage to be signed, Major share will be of FGFA and Su30MKI upgrade

. The Indian share in Russian arms exports has increased, according to Sipri data, from 23.36% in 1995-2000 to 39.09% during 2011-15.

http://www.livemint.com/Opinion/yto02BCIHvApwsFKwDkLMO/The-Russian-bull-in-South-Asia-shop.html

Russia's United Engine Corporation has delivered over 100 turbojet engines for the Mikoyan MiG-29 (NATO reporting name Fulcrum) fighter aircraft used by the Indian Navy, the UEC said in a press release issued on Tuesday.

The RD-33MK turbojet engine is a modernized modification of the basic RD-33 engine installed on all versions of famous MiG-29 fighter jet. The engine has high thrust-to-weight ratio, low specific fuel consumption and is equipped with modern digital electronic management and control system. "Chernyshev Moscow Machine-Building Enterprise [part of UEC] has manufactured and delivered over 100 RD-33MK turbojet engines for the Indian Navy. The deliveries were carried out within the earlier agreed contract between the Russian Aircraft Corporation MiG and the Indian Defense Ministry," the press release said.

UEC is a subsidiary company of the United Industrial Corporation, producing various engines including those for military and civil aviation.

Read more: https://sputniknews.com/business/20160927/1045760813/engines-india-supply-russia.html

A set of defence collaboration agreements are being finalized for signing at the India-Russia annual summit to be held alongside the BRICS summit, on October 15 and 16.


India plans to sign several big-ticket defence deals with its traditional and strategic partner Russia during the annual summit between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi on October 15-16, coinciding with the BRICS summit, in Goa.

This is the third annual bilateral summit between Putin and Modi. The defence deals, worth billions of dollars, have long been discussed between the two countries. Officials are expediting the exchanges to ensure some agreements are ready for signing at the Goa bilateral summit.

Both countries had begun negotiations on a number of defence cooperation projects during the 16th meeting of the Joint Working Group (JWG) on Indo-Russian Military-Technical Cooperation on September 7-8, in New Delhi. Reports indicate that substantive progress has been made on these projects, bringing the deals and pending projects “well on track.”

According to sources, some of the most important stalled defence deals, may get the “green signal’ during the Putin-Modi summit. These include purchase of five S-400 ‘Triumph’ long-range air defence missile systems, worth $6 billion, an IL-78 multi-role tanker transport by India, the joint upgrading of the Sukhoi Su-30MKI fighters and Kamov-28 helicopters. The projects most likely to be finalized during the summit also include the long-awaited joint development of the fifth generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) worth over $20 billion, and the joint production of Kamov Ka- 26 light helicopters.

India is reported to be still in talks with the Russian side on the purchase ofS-400 Triumph air defence systems. It may be recalled that under the chairmanship of Indian Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar, the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC), the highest body that takes decisions on weapons purchasing, had cleared the purchase of S-400 air defence systems from Russia in December 2015. However, Russia is still awaiting the “final go-ahead” from India on the supply of the newest missile systems.

Negotiations between New Delhi and Moscow on the deliveries of S-400 surface-to-air missile systems and on some other aspects of military-technical cooperation between the two countries are in progress, Pankaj Saran, India’s Ambassador to Russia, said recently.

“There are many platforms for discussions and S-400 is one of them,” Saran said.

If the deal on S-400s is signed, it will become the biggest defence deal between the two countries since 2001, when India reached agreement with Russia to buy 140 Su-30MKI fighter jets. India might also become the second country to possess S-400s. Russia signed an agreement with China in April 2015, for the delivery of the S-400s. Russia’s delivery of the cutting-edge missile systems to India, will strengthen its air defences along the borders with China and Pakistan.

Discussions on the joint development of FGFA resumed earlier this year, after they were suspended over differences on the percentage of work- share in the research and development content between India and Russia. The preliminary agreement on the joint production of FGFA was signed in 2010, and a final agreement would release about $6 billion for joint development.

Following a series of negotiations on technical details over the past few months, the two countries are now ready with a detailed work-share agreement, under which Russia will share new generation aircraft technologies as a part of a deal to produce more than 100 fighters in India.

During the two-day meeting of the JWG of the Military-Technical Cooperation in September, Russia submitted a “technical-commercial proposal” to supply India with four multi-purpose frigates equipped with sensors and weapons, including BrahMos supersonic cruise missiles. Under the proposal, out of four frigates, two will be delivered from Russia, and the other two will be built in India. There are already six frigates, including three Talwar-class and three Teg-class frigates, with the Indian Navy.

The JWG also discussed the issue of joint production of 200 Ka-226 twin engine multi-role helicopters. The deal on joint production of the Ka-226 helicopters in India under technology transfer from Russia, was signed during the visit of Prime Minister Modi to Moscow in December 2015. Sources said 60 helicopters would be supplied for assembly in India, while the remaining 140 will be manufactured in India. It is the first major project to be implemented under Indian government’s “Make in India” programme. The contract is estimated to cost over $1 billion.

Russia and India have agreed to incorporate a new company in October for the joint production of Ka-226 helicopters, and the deal is expected to be signed during the coming summit, in Goa.

Media reports in September also indicated that India is also interested in leasing a second nuclear- powered submarine from Russia. Negotiations for leasing another Akula-class submarine for about $1.5 billion, are already in the final stages.

India’s only nuclear attack submarine, INS Chakra, was also leased from Russia in 2012 for 10 years for a price of $900 million. India is interested in a different and newer class of vessel. Officials have expressed hope that a deal may be signed very soon. Russia is also assisting India in building its indigenous nuclear submarines.

The two countries have also made significant progress in the negotiations for the modernization of Su-30 MKI multi-role fighters and an agreement is planned to be signed very soon. Discussions have been going on for some time for upgrading the aircraft which was called “Super Sukhoi,” but the talks gained momentum recently in the run up to the Putin-Modi summit in Goa. The cost of the deal, in the range of $7 to 8 billion, is yet to be finalized, sources said.

The military-technical cooperation between India and Russia is as an important pillar of the “privileged, special strategic partnership.” It is not merely a relationship of a “buyer and seller,” but works on complex joint research, designing, development and production projects, with participation of the Indian public and private sectors, and licensed production in India, thereby advancing the ‘Make in India’ programme.
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At a time when there is talk of Russia losing importance as India’s major defence supplier, and when Pakistan is eyeing armaments purchase from India’s old friend, PM Narendra Modi is all set to rebuild the defence relationship with its old ally. Seeking to strengthen ties with Russia amidst mounting tensions with Pakistan and to an extent even China, India is all set to expedite major multi-billion dollar defence deals.

According to an article in “Russia & India Report”, the Narendra Modi government is looking to sign several key deals during Russian President Vladimir Putin’s visit on the sidelines of the BRICS Summit next week.

The deals, if signed, would come at an opportune time, for not only would they seek to ‘pacify’ Russia after India’s growing closeness with US, but would also send a strong message to Pakistan and China on the country’s defence preparedness. According to the report, hectic negotiations are on between the two countries to make sure that some substantial defence deals can be signed during the bilateral meeting between PM Modi and Putin in Goa next weekend. Some of the most important deals currently under discussion are purchase of 5 S-400 ‘Triumf’ long-range air defence missile systems, Kamov-28 helicopters and upgradation of the Sukhoi 30-MKIs. Two other projects that may get an impetus are the joint production of Kamov-226 light choppers and the long pending joint development of the fifth generation fighter aircraft (FGFA).

Watch file video: S-400 Triumf Hits Moving Targets in Dark

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The S-400 deal, if it comes through, would be one of the biggest defence deals with Russia in recent years and will add a formidable punch to India’s strike capabilities. The nod to purchase the S-400 missile systems, was given by Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar-led Defence Acquisitions Council (DAC) last year. The Rs 40,000-crore deal will make India the second international buyer of the S-400 system after China. The S-400 missile system is widely said to be Russia’s answer to the F-35 fighter jet of US and has even rattled NATO countries. The S-400 Triumf air defence missile systems is capable of destroying missiles, drones and incoming hostile aircraft within a range of up to 400 km. The system can knock down flying targets including those equipped with stealth technologies. Various reports suggest that India plans is to deploy three S-400 missile systems in the west (read Pakistan) and two in the east read China).
Also read: Pakistan dismisses US as a ‘declining power’; cosies up to Russia and China

According to “Russia & India Report”, the discussions to jointly develop the FGFA were suspended over differences on the percentage of work-share in the research and development content. But the prospective $6 billion deal is back on the negotiation table ahead of the Summit.

The final deal may entail Russia making over 100 fighters in India. As far as the Kamov-226 choppers go, a deal was signed in December last year during PM Modi’s Russia visit, but progress on that front is required to push the contract forward.
On the Indian Navy front, two deals are in the works. Presently India has only one nuclear attack submarine, INS Chakra, and there are plans to lease an Akula-class submarine for about $1.5 billion from Russia. Additionally, in September during a two day meet of the JWG of the Military-Technical Cooperation, a proposal was submitted by Russia for supply India four multi-purpose frigates, that are equipped with weapons and sensors, including the BrahMos missile, says “Russia & India Report”. The proposal suggests that two of the frigates will be delivered by Russia to India, while the other two will be built in India.


http://www.financialexpress.com/ind...-putin-brics-summit-us-pakistan-china/409753/

The move would provide India a unique ability to secure its airspace against even the most sophisticated next generation stealth fighter jets, but is largely driven by an effort from New Delhi to prevent Russia from drifting into partnership with rival Pakistan.

India and Russia are set to negotiate a major multi-billion dollar defense deal on the sidelines of the BRICS Summit next week as the government of Narendra Modi looks to reestablish its military and defense relationship with Moscow and prevent the Kremlin from drifting into partnership with their primary regional rival Pakistan reports Indian newspaper The Financial Express.

The negotiations would call for India to acquire 5 S-400 'Triumf' long-range air defense missile systems, Kamov-28 helicopters and upgraded models of the Sukhoi 30-MKI elite fighter jet with estimates valuing the possible defense dealing at $6 billion and with the Modi government reportedly looking to expedite the transaction as Russia looks to expand its cooperation with Pakistan.

The S-400 missile system in particular has raised eyebrows among a number of NATO countries with the system capable of destroying missiles, drones, and incoming fighter jets within a range of 250 miles (400 km) with analysts speculating that the advanced anti-aircraft system renders the F-35 fighter jet stealth technology utterly useless – the vaunted aircraft that the US spent $1.5 trillion on developing.

The move towards reasserting the defense relationship with Russia also plays favorably for Moscow with concern that New Delhi may be drifting deeper into the US-axis of influence and would be a major step following the collapse of a previous defense agreement due to differences on the percentage of work-share in research and development with India ever looking to expand its indigenous defense market.


Russia and India may also be looking to come to an agreement on naval defense systems as well with The Financial Express reporting that New Delhi may lease an Akula-class submarine from Russia for $1.5 billion to support India’s only nuclear submarine, the INS Chakra.

Washington in recent months has looked to cut off Russia’s defense cooperation with New Delhi with leading US defense contractors, including Lockheed Martin, establishing deals for India to take the lead on the construction of a number of top US fighter jets, but it seems that the Modi government seems to be favoring a focus on diversifying the country’s defense relationships.

Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/20161008/1046141258/india-russia-s400-triumf-military.html

President Vladimir Putin has said Russia remains one of India’s leading suppliers of advanced weapons and defence technology as ‘India is Russia’s especially privileged strategic partner’.

“Our countries actively collaborate in the military technical field. Russia remains in the lead in terms of both direct supplies of most advanced weapons and military equipment and conducting joint researches with India, as well as producing goods for military purposes,” Putin told IANS/Sputnik in an exclusive interview ahead of his visit to India for the five-nations BRICS Summit in Goa this weekend.

“The construction of the BrahMos supersonic cruise missile and the development of a new, fifth generation fighter aircraft are mong the successful joint projects,” Putin said.


He said many of the Russian projects in India not only have commercial importance but also play a significant social and economic role for the economies of the two countries.

Putin said such projects “harmoniously fit in the new Indian industrialisation programme”, a reference to Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s “Make in India” initiative.


“Russian companies see real prospects and high attractiveness of the Indian market,” Putin said.

http://indianexpress.com/article/in...ged-strategic-partner-vladimir-putin-3080433/

This is all wrong and bull shit.
Russia is being pulverized by sanctions from the west.
It is clear that this son of fck PM that India has is trying to take advantage of this situation.

It was extremely unfortunate that Russia took the responsibility of fighting the WEST ALL ALONE.
Russia is fighting against goldman sachs, boeing, google, Clinton foundation , 1 million saudi - white house terrorists in E.U and Syria ALL ALONE WITHOUT ANYBODYS HELP.

It is extremely unfortunate situation unfolding in the world.Russia does not have the reserve population to survive this sick and psycho attack from all western institutions.

This is the time that MODI is taking advantage of Russia situation. That fuck of a cu#$ PM knows that Russian industries are in desperate condition.
We have heard that even dollar-ruble payments conversion has been cancelled by U.S banks like citi , JPMorgan , Wells fargo and other local branches in E.U
The only thing that India has that it has huge population reserve and their is no restrictions on U.S cash transfers to India.

MODI (the fck) knows this ,, MODI is taking Russia by the balls. Russ India relations will never be true relations. S-400 is just a gimmick.
Putin will never provide India with S-400 technology. Even if it does it will be not be before 2019 -2020 that the agreement entails.

This agreement smacks of the bullshit that Indian leadership is only dependent on S-400 to protect it from Pakistan. Modi dreams that
S-400 will protect him from Pak.. but who will protect him from Indian people thats the question ..

BRICS summit: The defence deals come in the backdrop of the first-ever joint military exercises between Russia and Pakistan on Pakistani soil after the Uri terror attacks.

India and Russia are expected to ink defence deals worth billions of dollars during the meeting in Goa on Saturday between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and President Vladimir Putin, on the sidelines of the BRICS summit. They include the procurement from Russia of four stealth frigates and five units of the S-400 anti-aircraft system, and the announcement of a joint venture for the manufacture of 200 Kamov-226T helicopters in India.

“India and Russia have come back to a point where we are making a significant investment in the relationship with Moscow. The S-400 procurement is an example of our commitment to the relationship. We might have a better relationship with the US but it doesn’t change the content of our relationship with Moscow,” top government sources told The Indian Express.

Sources confirmed that the deal would be worth billions of dollars but did not provide an overall estimate — the missile systems alone may cost $4.5 bn.

The defence deals come in the backdrop of the first-ever joint military exercises between Russia and Pakistan on Pakistani soil after the Uri terror attacks. India had expected the exercise to be rescheduled but New Delhi understands that the Russian relationship with India remains “strong and unaffected” by Moscow’s engagement with Islamabad, said sources.

The deal for four Admiral Grigorovich-class (Project 11356) guided-missile stealth frigates will involve the direct supply of two vessels from Russia while another two will be made in India. The shipyard for making these frigates in India will be chosen by a competitive process, sources said.

The 3,620-tonne Admiral Grigorovich-class, which can be fitted with BrahMos missiles, is a derivative of the six Talwar-class frigates that Russia built for the Indian Navy between 2003 and 2013.

India will also sign an inter-government agreement for the supply of S-400 LRSAM anti-aircraft systems, which is one of the most advanced air defence options available and capable of destroying missiles, drones and incoming fighter jets within a range of 400 km.

The approval for procuring the S-400 missile systems was given by the Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar-led Defence Acquisitions Council (DAC) last December. India will be the second international buyer of the missile system after China.

Sources said that Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) will be the Indian partner for the JV to manufacture the light multipurpose Kamov-226T helicopters. An Indian private defence manufacturer may be involved at a later stage, said sources.

Kamov helicopters had undergone testing in India as part of the Reconnaissance and Surveillance Helicopter (RSH) acquisition programme, which was cancelled by the defence ministry in 2014. An agreement for these helicopters was signed by the two countries during Prime Minister Modi’s visit to Moscow last December.

“The Kamov helicopter is a new model and the first real ‘Make in India’ project in a way. The same is the case with the stealth frigates,” said sources.

However, no progress is expected on the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) being jointly developed by the two countries, which remains a “sore point” for Moscow, sources said. The R&D contract for the FGFA is not expected to be signed during the meet, as India is yet to make up its mind on various issues related to the fighter aircraft.

According to sources, the two sides have also “progressed through constant engagement in exploring new ways” to the problem of spare parts for military equipment of Russian origin. Nearly two-thirds of equipment with the armed forces is of Russian and Soviet origin. For instance, the serviceability of the Russian-origin Sukhoi fighter aircraft, the main workhorse of the Indian Air Force, has been a glaring issue with barely 50 per cent of the fleet being airworthy at any given time.

“Besides showing our commitment by buying new equipment, we have to also keep the older ones running. HAL has worked out a detailed list of spares for Sukhois. The Russians have understood our requirement and will designate an OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) or agency empowered to handle the supply of spares. This will be a long-term arrangement,” said sources.


http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/india-russia-defence-deals-brics-summit-modi-putin-3081666/

Prime Minister Narendra Modi (R) shakes hands with Russian President Vladimir Putin during the exchange of agreements and joint press statements ceremony at Taj Exotica hotel in Goa on Friday. (AFP)


India and Russia on Saturday signed big-ticket defence deals, including an agreement for the game-changer S-400 Air Defence System and Kamov helicopters and to replace the existing aging fleets and build new frigates.

“The agreements on manufacturing Kamov 226T helicopters; constructions of frigates; and acquisition and building of other defence platforms are in synergy with India’s technology and security priorities,” Prime Minister Narendra Modi said on Saturday.

Here are the deals sealed:

Ka-226T helicopters -- Kamov 226T choppers will replace the aging Cheetah and Chetak choppers. Kamov is a light multipurpose helicopter designed for work in difficult conditions like high mountains, hot climate and marine areas. It allows for reconnaissance, targeting and monitoring of transportation.

It also boasts of incredibly precise hovering ability, excellent maneuverability and high safety standards, and has proved to perform better than its western counterparts in Indian heat.

The chopper is equipped with two Arrius 2G1 engines made by the Turbomeca company. The passenger version of the chopper can carry up to seven people, while the transport version can carry one tonne of cargo inside the fuselage or via an external sling.
The deal is worth more than $1 billion. The helicopters will be made by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) with Russian cooperation.

Read | ‘Old friend’ Russia’s stand on combating terrorism mirrors our own: Modi

(L-R) Anatoly Isaikin, head of Russian arms trader Rosoboronexport, Alexander Mikheev, chief executive of Russian Helicopters, and T Suvarna Raju, chairman of the board and managing director of Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, attend an exchange of agreements event after the India-Russia Annual Summit in Benaulim, in the western state of Goa on Saturday. (REUTERS)


Frigates --

An inter-governmental agreement for four frigates through partnership between Russian and Indian shipyards was signed.

While two frigates will come from Russia, two others will be constructed at an Indian shipyard with Russian cooperation.

The frigates will be improved versions of Krivak or Talwar class stealth frigates, and the deal is worth more than $3 billion.
Read | State-backed Russian fund to co-invest $1 billion in India

S-400 Air Defence System --

The over $5-billion deal to purchase the long-range air defence missile system, which has the capability to destroy incoming hostile aircraft, missiles and even drones at ranges of up to 400 km, will prove to be a game changer for India.

The system is currently deployed in Syria, where Russia is targeting the Islamic State.

Besides, Prime Minister Narendra Modi also announced that annual military industrial conferences will be held by India and Russia, which will allow stakeholders on both sides to institute and push collaboration.

China inked a deal with Russia in November 2014 for the supply of six S-400 systems
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Read | ‘For global peace and stability’: India-Russia joint statement full text


http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/air-defence-system-frigates-choppers-what-all-in-india-russia-security-deals/story-DYV3JpKVz3p8YLS1YCbYfI.html

HIGHLIGHTS

* India has inked pacts with Russia to acquire advanced air defence missile systems, stealth frigates as well as jointly produce light-utility helicopters

* The three projects are collectively worth an estimated $10.5 billion (over Rs 72,000 crore)

NEW DELHI: Correcting the pronounced tilt towards the US in defence deals over the last decade, India on Saturday inked pacts with Russia to acquire advanced air defence missile systems, stealth frigates as well as jointly produce light-utility helicopters. The three projects are collectively worth an estimated $10.5 billion (over Rs 72,000 crore).

The two pacts or inter-governmental agreements (IGAs) for five new-generation Russian S-400 Triumf missile systems and four upgraded Teg or Grigorivich-class frigates, apart from the joint venture to produce 200 Kamov-226T light utility helicopters, are not actual contracts as yet. That will take some time, with the nitty-gritties and final costs to be sealed through further negotiations in the days ahead.

But Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Russian President Vladimir Putin, in whose presence the pacts were inked in Goa, were all gung-ho about the reinforcement of the bilateral strategic partnership "to lay deeper defence ties" in the years ahead. "Agreements on manufacturing Kamov-226T helicopters; constructions of frigates; and acquisition and building of other defence platforms are in synergy with India's technology and security priorities," said Modi.

In terms of sheer strategic value, India's acquisition of the five S-400 systems for over $5.5 billion is clearly going to be game-changer. TOI was the first to report in October 2015 about India's decision to go in for the S-400 systems, which basically have three kinds of missiles that can fly at supersonic and hypersonic speeds to intercept all kinds of targets at ranges from 120 to 400-km.

Defence sources said the S-400 systems, with three meant for the western front with Pakistan and the other two for the eastern one with China, can shoot down Chinese or Pakistani fighters while they are flying in their own airspaces.

India will be the second customer for the S-400 (called SA-21 Growler by NATO), with China slated to get the anti-aircraft\anti-missile systems under a $3 billion deal with Russia in 2014. A defence source said, "Most of the negotiations for our S-400 systems are over ... the contract should be inked among the first to be inked."

The $4 billion pact for the four 4,000-tonne guided-missile stealth frigates also has some strategic content to it though it is not acknowledged in public. India's quest to lease a second nuclear-powered submarine (the first INS Chakra came in 2012) for around $1.5 billion from Russia has been linked by Moscow to New Delhi's agreement to acquire the frigates lying half-constructed at the Yantar Shipyard due to a cash-crunch.


India will also have to acquire Zorya gas-turbine engines for the frigates from Ukraine, which is bitterly opposed to Russia as of now. "While two of the frigates will come from Russia, with a faster delivery time, the other two will be built here. It will take time for the contract with the selected Indian shipyard to be finalized," said a source.


As for the Kamov-226T choppers, the IGA for it was inked during Modi's visit to Moscow in December last year. It's only now the joint venture for the project, with the memorandum of association, share-holders agreement and the like, has been inked between defence PSU Hindustan Aeronautics (with majority 50.5% stake) and Russian Rostec State Corporation.

But the different pacts do show that Russia is reasserting its numero uno status in the Indian defence market. It was after the 1999 Kargil conflict that India began to increasingly turn to countries like US, Israel, France and UK so as to not put all its eggs in the Russian basket. As the strategic clinch with the US got tighter, Washington alone bagged Indian defence deals worth $15 billion since 2007.

Though India still remains slightly anxious with Russia for not sticking to delivery schedules, jacking up costs mid-way, putting hurdles in technology transfer and unreliable spares support, New Delhi knows only Moscow will help it with "strategic projects" like nuclear-powered submarines or the S-400 systems.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...worth-Rs-72000-crore/articleshow/54871603.cms

"India will also have to acquire Zorya gas-turbine engines for the frigates from Ukraine,"

Now that will be a very interesting negotiation!

To me every intrestring would be how Russia could attract more cooperation in Hi-Tech sphere? India having 15% middle class population would make 170mlns market.... more than double sizing for Russian companies comparing with home market.

JohninMK wrote:"India will also have to acquire Zorya gas-turbine engines for the frigates from Ukraine,"
Now that will be a very interesting negotiation!

negotiating with 404 is always fun

gaurav wrote:This is all wrong and bull shit.
Russia is being pulverized by sanctions from the west.
It is clear that this son of fck PM that India has is trying to take advantage of this situation.

are you OK son? your talkin´ sh!t now

GunshipDemocracy wrote:To me every intrestring would be how Russia could attract more cooperation in Hi-Tech sphere? India having 15% middle class population would make 170mlns market.... more than double sizing for Russian companies comparing with home market.

JohninMK wrote:"India will also have to acquire Zorya gas-turbine engines for the frigates from Ukraine,"
Now that will be a very interesting negotiation!

negotiating with 404 is always fun

gaurav wrote:This is all wrong and bull shit.
Russia is being pulverized by sanctions from the west.
It is clear that this son of fck PM that India has is trying to take advantage of this situation.

are you OK son? your talkin´ sh!t now

The most credible deal on this Putin Visit to India has been taking over of Indian oil com Essar by Rosneft for 13 b $ in all cash deal. Unless we increase economic cooperation between india and russia our relationship is going to be limited to defence deals

After losing some share of India’s defence space to the U.S. and other countries in recent years, Russia regained its footing with the agreements signed on Saturday.

Three agreements, worth $10 billion, were announced after the meeting between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Russian President Vladimir Putin. They are inter-governmental agreements (IGAs) for five S-400 Triumf air defence systems and four stealth frigates and a stakeholder agreement for a joint venture to make Kamov-226T helicopters in India.

Designed by the Almaz-Antey Central Design Bureau, the S-400 Triumf, referred to as SA-21 Growler by NATO, is considered one of the most advanced long-range defence systems in the world. It can tackle all airborne targets at a range of up to 400 km.

For India, this means Pakistani aircraft can be tracked even when they are in their airspace. The five systems, to be operated by the Indian Air Force, will cost over Rs.39,000 crore. India is the second export customer, after China which last year signed a $3-billion agreement for six systems that are expected to be delivered in 2017.

India and Russia also signed an inter-governmental agreement for four additional Krivak or Talwar class stealth frigates, which are expected to cost upwards of $3 billion. Two ships will be built in Russia and the other two in India with Russian assistance. India had earlier procured six frigates of the same class in two different batches. It has been very pleased with the performance of the 4,000-tonne frigates which packed a lot of fire-power given their size. The ships are armed with the BrahMos supersonic cruise missiles. But it is surprising why India is going for additional frigates from Russia, when it is designing and building much bigger stealth ships.

Both sides have been discussing the agreement for some time, but it was delayed as India insisted on building the ships through the ‘Make in India’ route. The other reason for delay was Ukraine’s refusal to supply Russia with engines which are built by Zorya Nashproekt after the crisis in Crimea. However, the issue was sorted out, and Ukraine has no reservations about supplying engines to India.

Hindustan Aeronautics Limited and Rostec State Corporation of Russia signed an agreement to set up a joint venture that will make Kamov-226T utility helicopters in India. Under the agreement, which is worth over $1 billion, at least 200 helicopters will be produced. They will replace the obsolete Cheetah and Chetak fleets of the armed forces. After induction, the Kamov helicopters, capable of operating at 20,000 feet, will help to maintain the forward posts on the Siachen glacier.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/russia-back-with-all-guns-blazing/article9225214.ece

India is still not done with Russia for its defense needs as following items are still be finalized in near future perhaps in next financial year because of fresh funds available next year

1. Sukhoi-FGFA

2. 2nd nuclear sub deal

3. Up gradation of SU-30MKI

4. Transport aircrafts both medium and large

5. More T 90MS tanks

photo sharing

are you OK son? your talkin´ sh!t now

AM NOT TALIKNG SHT .. IF I was talking non sense then knowledgeable posters/users would have given extremely negative comments..

I cannot comment anythign more than this.. Evrything I said is real .. this is a fraud and junk relationship Russia trying to gain business from Hindutva cults .... It needs business to stay alive who will give business to russia.. U.S , Germany , France .. U.K wtf are yu talkin about ..
No it will be ither Indian or Chinese state companies that give business to Russia ..

Russia China partnership is real but Russia India partnership is full of fraud , backstabbing and perpetual delays .. nothing else..

gaurav wrote:

are you OK son? your talkin´ sh!t now

AM NOT TALIKNG SHT .. IF I was talking non sense then knowledgeable posters/users would have given extremely negative comments..

I cannot comment anythign more than this.. Evrything I said is real .. this is a fraud and junk relationship Russia trying to gain business from Hindutva cults .... It needs business to stay alive who will give business to russia.. U.S , Germany , France .. U.K wtf are yu talkin about ..
No it will be ither Indian or Chinese state companies that give business to Russia ..

Russia China partnership is real but Russia India partnership is full of fraud , backstabbing and perpetual delays .. nothing else..

So damn Putin, knows nothing about politics at least not on your level? First please clam down then try to rephrase about partneships and interests. Like what would you expect form Russia´s business partners? No calling names on Indians or Chinese or anybody else. pl

Pinto wrote:
The most credible deal on this Putin Visit to India has been taking over of Indian oil com Essar by Rosneft for 13 b $ in all cash deal. Unless we increase economic cooperation between india and Russia our relationship is going to be limited to defence deals

Hard to disagree, India is a big market and incredibly fast growing. My question is what could be done to increase interests in joint ventures, investment funds? state support? Both economies lack strong presence on consumer market. Maybe joint aiming of consumer market could have potential??


Talking about middle clase - this looks like deeper market than EU in foreseeable future...

"Standard of living in India varies from state to state. With one of the fastest growing economies in the world, clocked at a growth rate of 7.6% in 2015, India is fast on its way to becoming a large and globally important consumer economy. According to Deutsche Bank Research the estimates are nearly 300 million people for all Middle Class.[1] If current trends continue, India's share of world GDP will significantly increase from 7.3 in 2016 to 8.5 percent of the world share by 2020.[2] In 2011, less than 22 percent of Indians lived under the global poverty line, nearly a 10 percent reduction from 29.8 percent just two years prior in 2009.[3]

According to NCAER, India's middle class population would be 267 million in 2016. Further ahead, by 2025-26 the number of middle class households in India is likely to more than double from the 2015-16 levels to 113.8 million households or 547 million individuals.[4] Another estimate put the Indian middle class as numbering 475 million people by 2030.[5] It is estimated that average real wages will quadruple between 2013 and 2030.[6]"



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_of_living_in_India

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Pinto wrote:
The most credible deal on this Putin Visit to India has been taking over of Indian oil com Essar by Rosneft for 13 b $ in all cash deal. Unless we increase economic cooperation between india and Russia our relationship is going to be limited to defence deals

Hard to disagree, India is a big market and incredibly fast growing. My question is what could be done to increase interests in joint ventures, investment funds? state support? Both economies lack strong presence on consumer market. Maybe joint aiming of consumer market could have potential??


Talking about middle clase - this looks like deeper market than EU in foreseeable future...

"Standard of living in India varies from state to state. With one of the fastest growing economies in the world, clocked at a growth rate of 7.6% in 2015, India is fast on its way to becoming a large and globally important consumer economy. According to Deutsche Bank Research the estimates are nearly 300 million people for all Middle Class.[1] If current trends continue, India's share of world GDP will significantly increase from 7.3 in 2016 to 8.5 percent of the world share by 2020.[2] In 2011, less than 22 percent of Indians lived under the global poverty line, nearly a 10 percent reduction from 29.8 percent just two years prior in 2009.[3]

According to NCAER, India's middle class population would be 267 million in 2016. Further ahead, by 2025-26 the number of middle class households in India is likely to more than double from the 2015-16 levels to 113.8 million households or 547 million individuals.[4] Another estimate put the Indian middle class as numbering 475 million people by 2030.[5] It is estimated that average real wages will quadruple between 2013 and 2030.[6]"



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_of_living_in_India

First Up India and Russia have more misses in genuine trade then hits to there credits, of course carried away by huge defense deals since 1960's onward. Things started changing in Russia after 1991 and it started opening up its state controlled cos and so did India exactly at the same time. But even after opening there economies in 1991 the focus of our leaders has always been on defense and this has proved to be more of a stationery state in our ties now

you can notice in 2015 there was no worth mentioning defense deals and trade was measly 7 b$ plus, its peanuts for bigger emerging economies like ours and everyone started shouting specially media that India is sold out to EU and US. But the fact of the matter is India has trade with both EU, US and India have growing trade which is around 150 b $ plus at the moment which gave credence to this theory

now since past couple of years our leaders realized the strategic potential of trade and have started focusing on economic side of relationship.

Recently there have been very encouraging signs of Russian co signing deal with GAIL(gas authority of India) for laying pipelines for gas in India which entails investment of 25b$.


Russia's Gazprom sees new LNG deal with India's Gail in six months

http://in.reuters.com/article/russia-gazprom-india-idINKBN12F0ED

If more and more such sectors are identified and given push then no US or EU can spoil the Trusted, old, traditional friendly ties between Russia and India

Many Indian private sector cos have capacity and financial resources to invest in Russia in big way and i am very optimistic about this in next 3-4 yrs to see trade to go up to at least 20 b$ which too will be low but atleast will say 300% jump from today's figures. Many Indian software cos can set up shop in Russia as all of them are cash surplus. Russia too is exploring to set up Truck manufacturing co in India which again is encouraging sign. Russia also now intends to get the raw diamonds to be cut and polished and made commercially ready in surat in India which is diamond industry for such work in the world. So things are looking up although very late and slowly

Indian middle class is increasing its earning every year and can be big consumer base for Russian industry the areas our govt's needs to decide in which areas Russian cos can benefit

Pinto wrote:
If more and more such sectors are identified and given push then no US or EU can spoil the Trusted, old, traditional friendly ties between Russia and India

Many Indian private sector cos have capacity and financial resources to invest in Russia in big way and i am very optimistic about this in next 3-4 yrs to see trade to go up to at least 20 b$ which too will be low but atleast will say 300% jump from today's figures. Many Indian software cos can set up shop in Russia as all of them are cash surplus. Russia too is exploring to set up Truck manufacturing co in India which again is encouraging sign. Russia also now intends to get the raw diamonds to be cut and polished and made commercially ready in surat in India which is diamond industry for such work in the world. So things are looking up although very late and slowly

Indian middle class is increasing its earning every year and can be big consumer base for Russian industry the areas our govt's needs to decide in which areas Russian cos can benefit

As for Russo-Indian relations. There is no business without mutually beneficial cooperation. Otherwise this is like partnership with US - colonialism

Russia and India for different reasons did not invest much so fat in consumer goods. OK without roads and energy you wont go far but without consumer goods there will be not much of trade. Weapons, food and energy...IMHO this is definitely to govts to build framework for cooperation. Private or state owned companies can fill this but wiphout state support this might not happen or happen with low dynamics.

True thet US and EU have bigger share in trade with India than Russia. the question is if this will not make India more susceptible on Potential sanctions than Russia...I am sure that Indian elites are aware of this much better then I am. "Friendship" with west ends up first day if you will voice different opinion. Building multipolar world is both in benefit of Russia and India not to mention other BRICS.


I´d gladly see growing cooperation in microelectronics, consumer electronics or pharmacy.


BTW I am not Russian

Ajay Banerjee


Tribune News Service

New Delhi, October 15

The agreement between India and Russia on military equipment purchase is being tipped as a “game-changer” as it further cements the five-decade-old ties between the two nations.
The outcome of the Narendra Modi-Vladimir Putin bilateral meeting in Goa this afternoon will be read with keen interest among military observers in China, Pakistan, the US, Japan and Europe.

Set to cost $5 billion (Rs 39,000 crore), “S-400 Triumf” air defence missiles are mounted on road mobile launchers and carried by specialised trucks. The missile system includes multi-layered radars capable of tracking 300 targets such as missiles, planes, drones, helicopters and shoot down around three dozen simultaneously.

It can hit incoming airborne targets between 20 km and 400 km — a rarity to have such vast range mated in a single missile system. It can also hit target at an altitude of 55 km. With inter-continental missiles (having more than 5,500 km range) travelling at 70-80 km altitude, this can come in handy for the defence forces. Russia deployed the missile system during the attack launched on the Islamic State in Syria a few months ago.

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The Kamov 226T helicopter will allow pilots to fly to the Siachen glacier or similar altitudes across the Himalayas much safely and with greater load carrying capacities. At least 200 of the twin-engine Kamov — a light utility helicopter — will be produced. These will cost $1 billion (Rs 6,800 crore).

The helicopters will be deployed for surveillance, dropping small loads and for rescue, including of troops posted at high altitudes such as the Siachen Glacier-Saltoro Ridge region. It has a flight ceiling of 18,700 feet — meaning it can fly over almost all of the Himalayan passes with ease. It will be made in India by public sector Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).

Admiral Grigorovich-class (Project 11356) stealth frigates will replace the three Godavari-class frigates that the Navy has. One of these has been de-commissioned while the other two are on their way out. The “Yantar” shipyard in Russia made six of these between 2003 and 2013. Of the four more, two are ready in Russia and will have a Ukrainian engine. The deal had been held up due to frosty relations between Russia and Ukraine. Two others will be made at an Indian shipyard.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/arms-deal-with-moscow-fits-into-india-s-defence-needs/310312.html

Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu will be arriving here and will co-chair a meeting of the Indo-Russian Inter Governmental Commission on Military Technical Cooperation (IRIGCMTC) here today with his Indian counterpart Manohar Parrikar.


India and Russia will today hold detailed discussions on deeper military cooperations, especially on joint production of fifth generation fighter aircraft, upgradation of Su-30 MKI planes and firming up the contract for the S400 Triumf air defence system.


Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu will be arriving here and will co-chair a meeting of the Indo-Russian Inter Governmental Commission on Military Technical Cooperation (IRIGCMTC) here today with his Indian counterpart Manohar Parrikar.


The two will have restricted meeting followed by delegation-level talks, defence sources said. It was during a meeting of the commission in Moscow last year that both sides had firmed up plans to acquire the air defence system and other deals which were recently signed on the sidelines of the BRICS meet in Goa.


Sergei Chemezov, CEO of Rostec State Corporation, a Russian umbrella organisation of 700 hi-tech civilian and military firms, had told PTI that they expect the agreement on fifth generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) to be finalise by this year end.


After a hiatus of nearly a year, India and Russia had in February revived talks on the much delayed FGFA project after a clearance from Parrikar. Since then, a lot of issues related to work share, IPR and technology transfer among others have been sorted out between the two sides along with the monetary commitments.


Under the new offer, India will have to pay about USD 3.7 billion, instead of USD 6 billion, for technological know-how and three prototypes of the fighters, the sources said. In 2010, India had agreed to pay USD 295 million towards the preliminary design of the fighter, called in India as Perspective Multi-role Fighter (PMF).


The two sides are also expected to discuss the upgrade of SU-30 MKI, India's front line fighter aircraft. Russia is also eyeing the multi-billion dollar deal for P75-I project of India under which six conventional submarines are to be built with Air Independent Propulsion systems. With deals over USD 12 billion in kitty this month, including leasing of a second nuclear submarine, Russia hopes to bag more projects as it termed itself as not just a business partner but an "ally" who stood by India in its "darkest hours".

Read more at: http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/cu...ies-today_7830081.html?utm_source=ref_article

(Bloomberg) -- Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Russian President Vladimir Putin have sought to correct a decade-long decline in their defense ties, reestablishing Moscow as New Delhi’s closest military partner.

Putin and Modi on Oct. 15 inked four big ticket defense deals worth over $10 billion when they met in Goa earlier this month.

Under the deals -- the commercial details of which were discussed on Wednesday in a closed door meeting between their defense ministers, according to India’s defense ministry -- Moscow will supply India with S-400 Triumf air defense missiles that Russia has previously exported only to China.

It will also deliver four Admiral Grigorovich-class warships and build military helicopters through a joint venture in India.

Minister of Defence Manohar Parrikar met with Russian counterpart Sergei Shoigu in New Delhi, co-chairing an annual meeting of the Inter-Governmental Commission on Military-Technical Cooperation.
The two discussed joint projects such as the fifth generation fighter aircraft and the upgrading of the Sukhoi combat plane in the Indian Air Force’s inventory. They also dealt with the establishment of agreements and joint ventures signed on the sidelines of the BRICS summit in Goa, including the frigates and military helicopters.


"Russia is India’s time tested and closest partner and it will continue to remain our primary defense partner," Parrikar told the meeting on Wednesday, according to the Ministry of Defence.


If the cost negotiations for the S-400 missiles are completed within a year and the commercial deal is signed, they could be delivered in 2020, the ministry said.

The $4-billion deal for the multi-purpose 4,000-tonne frigates involves building two in Russia, with the rest constructed in India under Modi’s “Make in India” project aimed at stimulating domestic manufacturing.

Moscow has also agreed to lease a nuclear-powered submarine to India, according to Russian media reports. India’s navy has operated a Russian-origin nuclear-powered submarine of the same class since 2012 under a nearly $1 billion, 10-year lease.

Even with such significant Russian investment, the U.S. remains the largest arms supplier to India with over $15 billion in orders in the last decade as well as a defense logistics agreement signed earlier this year.

http://www.bloombergquint.com/business/2016/10/26/russia-india-deepen-friendship-over-missiles-and-submarines

Brushing aside Russian concerns that India may be drifting towards the US, particularly after the signing of the Logistics Exchange Memorandum of Agreement with the US providing access to Americans to Indian military bases, defence minister Manohar Parrikar said Indo-Russian friendship had stood the test of time.


“Russia is India’s time-tested and closest partner and it will continue to remain our primary defence partner,” Parrikar said in his opening remarks at the 16th meeting of the India-Russia Intergovern-mental Commission on Military-Technical Co-operation (IRIGC-MTC).


However, he sought a more focused military-to-military cooperation. “While our military technical cooperation is progressing well, I feel that the traditional military-to-military cooperation needs more focus. The pace and depth of our exchanges at the level of chiefs, training of personnel in each other’s institutions, joint military exercises between all armed forces should be enhanced.”


On October 15, India and Russia signed 16 agreements on the sidelines of the Brics Summit in Goa which included supply of the powerful S-400 Triumf air defence systems, four new guided missile stealth frigates and setting up a joint venture to jointly manufacture Kamov 226T helicopters.


But the Russian media had reported that what was not made public in the announcement was a $2 billion deal to lease a multipurpose Project 971 nuclear submarine to India from the Russian Navy. While Parrikar led the Indian side, his counterpart General Sergey Shoigu led the Russian delegation.


The Russian media quoted Shoigu as saying that the two sides discussed issues pertaining to after-sales service of previously supplied military equipment.


http://www.asianage.com/india/russia-remain-main-defence-ally-manohar-parrikar-222

India wants to buy 464 of the T-90MS

Cant post link just yet. Article can be found on VPK.name

As announced on 31 October 2016, the Indian version of the portal network "MailOnline" British newspaper "Daily Mail", the Indian army plans to buy 464 of the newest Russian tank T-90MS development of JSC "NPK "Uralvagonzavod". Discussing the contract with a value of 13488 crore rupees (about 2 billion U.S. dollars) must include an Assembly of tanks (apparently. part specified number) in the Indian enterprise Heavy Vehicles Factory (HVF) in Avadi near Chennai.


This purchase is approved by the high command of the Indian army, and soon must be approved by the Council for defence procurement, led by defence Minister of India Manohar parrikar of the.


The acquisition of 464 tanks T-90MS will allow in a relatively short period of time (three to four years) to equip them ten tank regiments of the Indian army deployed on the Western border of India with Pakistan. Now, the Indian army has approximately 850 tanks T-90S tanks, which are equipped with 18 tank regiments.

Review bmpd. As can be seen, the proposed purchase of India T-90MS initiated by the slow pace of license production at HVF in Avadi T-90S tanks. A total of three agreements with the Russian side India in 2001, 2006 and 2007, contracted 1657 T-90S tanks, of which 248 were supplied ready-made "Uralvagonzavod" (UVZ), 409 were collected in Avadi from Russian kits, and 1000 are manufactured there under license (with a planned period to 2020). However, given the fact that now the Indian army has only 850 T-90S tanks, it is obvious that during the licensed production since 2009, the factory HVF was able to produce only about 200 T-90S tanks, and, according to Indian sources by 2020 will be able to build no more than 400 tanks.


Thus, to accelerate the replenishment of the tank Park, India again in 2007, will resort to direct purchase of tanks in Russia (now the new improved T-90ms), some of which, apparently, will come ready with Uralvagonzavod, and others - to gather HVF of the supply from DC kits.