Cuba–Russia cooperation and agreements

Tis a shame. Since US is so keen on screwing Russia, Russia should at least open up the base, at a specific lease price, and money can go to Cuba, which they need.

Hopefully Putin is just trolling. But if not, then I wonder what he is planning? Because reason why his allies are disappearing is because lack of Russian engagement and involvement in their economies.

We'll see. I think it's still on the cards...where there's smoke - there's fire.

Russia is doing fine in South America, I don't get what you're on about   

Cuba has a crap economy. No need to waste money on them like we did back in Soviet Times, when it was a multi billion dollar black hole.

It won't give leverage because NATO won't give two shits about S-500 in Cuba. It achieves nothing, wastes money, draws precious systems that Russia needs closer to home.

Hahahaha.. what does nato have to do with this?

Since when did NATO have any say in the US ABM system in Poland?

the US ABM system has nothing to do with NATO.

S-500 will be mobile... in terms of being expensive it is just a case of flying it there on an An-124.

Would be ideally positioned if the US decides to launch its ICBMs over the south pole at Russian targets.

Would require the US spend rather a lot of money on its southern border, which in the past has been rather neglected.

Cuba has a crap economy. No need to waste money on them like we did back in Soviet Times, when it was a multi billion dollar black hole.

Russia should trade with any country that is happy to openly trade with them and not intent on undermining them at every stage.

Russia is rather better off dealing with countries like Cuba etc than backstabbers like the US and UK... and their blind followers like the NATO countries.

TR1 wrote:Cuba has a crap economy. No need to waste money on them like we did back in Soviet Times, when it was a multi billion dollar black hole.

And whos fault is that? Surely not cubas fault, it has not put sanctions on its one head.

If S-500 is going to be positioned in cuba then we we will have another missile crisis similar to that of 1962

TR1 wrote:Cuba has a crap economy. No need to waste money on them like we did back in Soviet Times, when it was a multi billion dollar black hole.

What a chauvinistic/jingoistic viewpoint, it's like your totally oblivious to the fact that Cuba's economic woes is directly related to the U.S. embargo against their economy, is should also be noted that well-over 90%of the counties in the U.N. generally assembly oppose the U.S. embargo on Cuba (only the U.S. and Israel opposed doing business with Cuba, and originally Israel supported the end of the embargo until they had their arms twisted). Taking that in to consideration means that the overwhelming majority of the world's countries/govt's/people support and see value in doing business with Cuba...more value than you care to admit.

George1 wrote:If S-500 is going to be positioned in cuba then we we will have another missile crisis similar to that of 1962

It's fair game, and the U.S. govt. and media will have to admit that ABM proliferation is dangerous and comes with consequences...that in itself is a victory, and we can possibly get some concessions out of that.

GarryB wrote:

Russia should trade with any country that is happy to openly trade with them and not intent on undermining them at every stage.

Russia is rather better off dealing with countries like Cuba etc than backstabbers like the US and UK... and their blind followers like the NATO countries.

It's also rumored that Cuba's oilfields has something like $900 billion+ worth of recoverable oil, if that's true than they can oil barter any thing they need with Russia and any other country, and Venezuela will not have to give as much subsidized oil...so in short Cuba's economy will be on the upswing in the next 5 to 10 years, especially now that large important countries are trying to trade without using the U.S. Dollar.

George1 wrote:If S-500 is going to be positioned in cuba then we we will have another missile crisis similar to that of 1962

We already have this crisis since years, its called US ABM in europe.

It just seems softer because of no russian answer.

No go for this thing in Cuba and IRBMs !!!

sepheronx wrote:Tis a shame.  Since US is so keen on screwing Russia, Russia should at least open up the base, at a specific lease price, and money can go to Cuba, which they need.

Hopefully Putin is just trolling.  But if not, then I wonder what he is planning?  Because reason why his allies are disappearing is because lack of Russian engagement and involvement in their economies.

Well if we want to know anything about modern espionage or modern intelligence gathering than we can just look at the NSA. The NSA has broken-free from the shackles of traditional forms of espionage and intelligence gathering, they now have a large network of private companies spying for them, the overwhelming majority of them have nothing to do with defense or national security nor were they originally created to be fronts for U.S. intelligence agencies.

So with that being said it would be quite easy to disguise a large electronic intelligence gathering base and make it look like a large oil refinery, and it would be even easier to disguise S-400's/S-500's, and make them look like oil trucks with cylindrical oil container truck payloads.

To fight asymmetrically it's time to swap the look of that:




For this:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

TR1 wrote:Cuba has a crap economy. No need to waste money on them like we did back in Soviet Times, when it was a multi billion dollar black hole.

What a chauvinistic/jingoistic viewpoint, it's like your totally oblivious to the fact that Cuba's economic woes is directly related to the U.S. embargo against their economy, is should also be noted that well-over 90%of the counties in the U.N. generally assembly oppose the U.S. embargo on Cuba (only the U.S. and Israel opposed doing business with Cuba, and originally Israel supported the end of the embargo until they had their arms twisted). Taking that in to consideration means that the overwhelming majority of the world's countries/govt's/people support and see value in doing business with Cuba...more value than you care to admit.

Sure sure, please tell me of Cuba's vast potential to make Russia money back. It WAS a black hole in the Cold War. No way around it.

Sugar cane does not get one far.

I hope not a cent is invested into Cuba that could go into Russia.

Werewolf wrote:

TR1 wrote:Cuba has a crap economy. No need to waste money on them like we did back in Soviet Times, when it was a multi billion dollar black hole.

And whos fault is that? Surely not cubas fault, it has not put sanctions on its one head.

They got billions from the USSR for decades. They managed to do even less with it then our Communist dinasaurs.

GarryB wrote:
Would be ideally positioned if the US decides to launch its ICBMs over the south pole at Russian targets.

Would require the US spend rather a lot of money on its southern border, which in the past has been rather neglected.

I am sorry, is this serious? Launching @ Russia via South Pole?

LOL! You guys crack me up.

I will repeat. US won't give a shit because S-500 serves zero military purpose for Russia in Cuba. It can't intercept crap because the US won't be launching anything from nearby, nor will it be launching anything that passes over Cuba anyways.

GarryB wrote:

Russia is rather better off dealing with countries like Cuba etc than backstabbers like the US and UK... and their blind followers like the NATO countries.

Never thought you wanted Russia to be the drab, broke state it was in the Cold War again Garry.

TR1,

you are delusional if you think Russia will have business as usual with the US/uk after this Ukraine crap....that train has well and truly left the station.

So what is the alternative... continue to be the Dog at the table... begging for any scraps the west decides to drop on the floor for you?

Any economic ties between Russia and the west will continue to be used by the western politicians to control Russia. the obvious solution is to look everywhere for countries to cooperate with and do business with.

Dropping ties with allies because they are poor... WAKE UP TR-1... with Eastern Europe now in the wests camp the only allies Russia has left are the poor... It doesn't mean Russia should ignore them.

Russia should not turn its back on any country... except the US... if it turns its back on the US it will likely find a knife in its back or worse.

I am sorry, is this serious? Launching @ Russia via South Pole?

Wouldn't be the first Soviet/Russian idea the US has copied.

Russian upper house ratifies space deal with Cuba

Cuba Ready to Arrange Training Bases for Russia Ahead of 2016 Olympics

During the Russian Sports Minister's meeting with the Cuban Ambassador to Russia on Monday, Cuba had expressed willingness to provide training bases for Russian athletes for the 2016 Olympics in Rio de Janeiro.

MOSCOW, November 25 (Sputnik) — Cuba expressed readiness to provide training bases for Russian athletes, preparing for the 2016 Summer Olympics in Rio de Janeiro, Russian Ministry of Sports said in a statement published on its website Tuesday.

"Emilio Ratmir Lozada Garcia [Cuban ambassador to Russia] has informed the [Russian Sports] minister about Cuba's readiness to arrange training bases for Russian athletes to prepare for the Games of the XXXI Olympiad, Rio de Janeiro 2016," the statement said.

Russian Sports Minister Vitaly Mutko held a meeting with the Cuban Ambassador to Russia Emilio Ratmir Lozada on Monday. They discussed further cooperation in sports and also negotiated boxing, volleyball and basketball competitions between Russian and Cuban sportsmen.

On October 2, 2009, Rio de Janeiro was elected as the host city of the 2016 Summer Olympics. The Rio Olympic Games will include 28 sports on its program and will be held on August 5 – 21.

Ilyushin Finance and Co. to deliver Il-96-300 aircraft to Cubana de Aviacion
Russian Aviaton » Friday December 26, 2014 18:28 MSK

In the network of a meeting of the Russian-Cuban Intergovernmental Commission on trade, economic, scientific and technical cooperation held on December 18th - 19th in Havana, Russian lessor Ilyushin Finance & Co. (IFC) and Aviaimport S.A. (Cuba) signed a preliminary agreement for delivery of Il-96-300 passenger aircraft, IFC’s press-service reports.

«Under this agreement the aircraft will be delivered to Cuba in the second quarter of 2015. Today Cuba operates 4 Il-96-300 aircraft, 4 Tu-204s and 5 An-158s, delivered by IFC,» said in the statement.

It is expected that Cubana de Aviacion will take delivery of the sixth An-158 regional aircraft in February 2015. In this regard besides the agreement for delivery of Il-96-300 jet, IFC Technik and Aviaimport S.A. signed contract for assuring continued airworthiness of An-158 airliners, the press-service added.

Of course, perhaps it has nothing to do with oil at all, and Putin was just in a rare good mood that day.

Of course it must be all about the oil because Putin Hates Cuba and has had economic sanctions imposed on Cuba for the last 50 years.

Ooops... hang on... is someone being silly and confusing Putin with the US?

The deal has nothing to do with moods, it is juvenile and quite frankly rude to suggest Putin would do such a thing because of a mood.

The simple facts are that Cuba was in no position to pay back the original amount and insisting on payment would be stupid and pointless.

the new deal means cooperation and future potential for both parties to make some money and benefit from the situation.

Russian defence minister hails ‘constructive’ development of Cuba ties in military sphere

"Our relations in the military sphere are developing constructively," the Russian defence minister said

HAVANA, February 14. /TASS/. The Russian-Cuban relations in the military and military-technical sphere are developing in a constructive way, Russian Defence Minister Sergey Shoigu said during the meeting with Cuba’s President Raul Castro on Saturday.

"Our relations in the military sphere are developing constructively," the Russian defence minister said, adding: "We are interested in expanding cooperation in the naval sphere."

Shoigu thanked the Cuban side for a reception of Russia’s Navy vessels during the call at the port of Havana.

He also invited Cuba’s military delegations to participate in this year’s tank biathlon international competitions, international war games, the 4th international security conference and the international scientific and technical forum Army 2015.

Raul Castrol said Cuba’s military delegations would take part in these events.

Shoigu said the approaches of Russia and Cuba on global and regional security issues "fully coincide." "Our countries are bound by common interest in forming a just and polycentric world order based on equality, adherence to international law and respect for it with the central role of the United Nations," he said.

The minister said his visit to Cuba comes as the countries see a robust development of bilateral ties. "Your country is our long-time friend and a symbol of love of freedom and independence in Latin America," he said.

"Cuba, which has survived in the conditions of a blockade for over half a century, continues firmly and consistently following the track of defending its national sovereignty and implementing its development model," Shoigu said.

Shoigu also said that today the good and time-tested relations between Russia and Cuba are revitalizing. The visit of Russian President Vladimir Putin to Havana in July 2014 gave an impetus to strengthening bilateral ties, he said.

"Our priority it to implement the agreements reached during the highest level meetings," he said.

The long traditions of friendship between the people of Russia and Cuba are a "firm basis for expanding bilateral cooperation and coordinating efforts on the international arena," he said.

Shoigu concludes his trip to South America, during which he also visited Venezuela and Nicaragua.

Russia, Cuba Prepare Large-Scale Joint Projects in Energy, Civil Aviation



Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov said that Russia and Cuba will prepare large-scale projects in the energy, transportation and civil infrastructure sectors, as well as in the areas of biotechnology, pharmaceutics, healthcare and civil aviation.

HAVANA (Sputnik) — Russia and Cuba are preparing large-scale joint projects in energy and civil aviation sectors, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Tuesday after meeting with Cuba's President of the State Council Raul Castro and his counterpart Bruno Rodriguez Parrilla.

"In line with instructions given by the heads of our states, our government agencies will most certainly prepare rather large, serious, and promising projects in the energy, transportation and civil infrastructure sectors, as well as in the areas of biotechnology, pharmaceutics, healthcare and civil aviation," Lavrov said.

The Russian foreign minister is on a one-day visit to Cuba as part of his current Latin American tour, which also includes Nicaragua, Columbia and Guatemala.

The hub would be built on the grounds of a former military base, and help boost other infrastructure projects in the region, the director of the Russian Foreign Ministry’s Latin American department, Alexander Schetinin, said earlier in March.

Russia and Cuba are also considering the launch of a "very serious" program to modernize Cuba's power plants, according to the Russian official.

The two countries have a long history of friendly relations and cooperation, dating back to Soviet times.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150324/1019956535.html#ixzz3VLIkKwC4

Eximbank of Russia financed the delivery of Il-96 aircraft to Cuba
Russian Aviaton » Thursday April 16, 2015 19:29 MSK

Subsidiary of EXIAR (Export Insurance Agency of Russia) – Eximbank of Russia (part of Vnesheconombank) granted a four-year credit to Ilyushin Finance & Co. The credit amount is $7,5 million, Kommersant-Voronezh reports.

In fact it is a working capital credit used to finance the debt receivable in the network of a commercial credit taken in the network of an export contract. The bank’s press-service said that IFC would use these funds to lease Il-96-300 aircraft to Aviaimport S.A. (Cuba). Earlier Eximbank of Russia financed other contracts between IFC and Aviaimport S.A. for delivery of Il-96 aircraft: in 2005-2007 three jets of the type were delivered to Cuba.
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Together with the transaction security for delivery of three Tu-204 jets the credit amount was $31,8 million.

Russia, Cuba agree on new aircraft deliveries — deputy PM


Russia ready to hold talks on placing GLONASS signal calibration stations in Cuba