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    Il-112V light military transport

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    Post  GarryB Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:52 am

    Yes, I remember reading that... they had planes built specially for the mission and they were specially fitted out at extra cost and then they decided not to use them so they kept them in storage at extra cost.

    Didn't hear what they ended up doing with them though.
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    Post  Kiko Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:40 pm

    Il-112V to replace Soviet-time military transport aircraft — chief designer, 27.07.2021.

    All of the plane’s spare parts, systems and equipment are fully Russian-made.

    MOSCOW, July 27. /TASS/. Russia’s latest military transport plane, Il-112V, will help to upgrade Russia’s fleet of military transport aircraft, currently dominated by Soviet-made An-26, said Sergei Ganin, the chief designer of the Ilyushin aircraft maker (part of the United Aircraft Corporation).

    "Il-112V is a light military transport plane that can replace turboprop aircraft, such as An-24 and An-26. But, in this regard, it is important to note that Antonov aircraft were created back in Soviet times, in accordance with tasks and requirements of that era. Il-112V is an aircraft of the present day, which fully corresponds to requirements for its equipment, engine, environmental norms and noise level," Ganin said.

    In his words, all of the plane’s spare parts, systems and equipment are fully Russian-made.

    "We are working only with domestic supplies, and this gives us <…> an important commercial advantage," Ganin said.

    According to the chief designer, ongoing trials show that the prototype corresponds to technical specifications of the project.

    "We are now confirming characteristics stipulated by the technical assignmenet," he said. "Those requirements include further development with regard to future modifications."

    https://tass.com/defense/1318031

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Jul 27, 2021 4:29 pm

    Kiko wrote: dominated by Soviet-made An-26, said Sergei Ganin, the chief designer of the Ilyushin

    "Il-112V is a light military transport plane that can replace turboprop aircraft, such as An-24 and An-26. But, in this regard, it is important to note that Antonov aircraft were created back in Soviet times, in accordance with tasks and requirements of that era. Il-112V is an aircraft of the present day, which fully corresponds to requirements for its equipment, engine, environmental norms and noise level," Ganin said.
    So subtle, never mention Ukraine Smile
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    Post  GarryB Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:59 am

    Why mention them... this new plane is about to go into production in Russia to replace ex Soviet planes in Russia and it seems India is interested in producing this aircraft too, and not to mention countries around the world who are or were using ex Soviet planes of this type and are either still using them or have had to change to western equivalent aircraft and want to go back to cheaper simpler Russian designed planes... there is quite a market for Russia... the Ukraine does not even come in to it because they chose to cut Russia off.

    Russia was happy to buy replacement aircraft from the Ukraine and was doing so, but the Ukraine thought they could do some damage to Russia, but in the end they have only destroyed their own aircraft and engine production capacity by cutting off their main customer and also forcing their now ex customer to make rival aircraft and engines superior to the ones Ukraine can no longer make...
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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Wed Jul 28, 2021 6:02 am

    UEC and PJSC "Il" told about the state of the test program of LVTS Il-112B. 

    Tests of the Il-112B light military transport aircraft are proceeding on schedule. "On the Il-112, we have achieved practical results, the aircraft is performing a test program" – Chief Designer of PJSC " Il " Sergey Ganin declared to TASS. 

    As the chief designer noted, the aircraft confirms the design characteristics laid down in the design of the machine. "Now we are confirming the characteristics that were specified in the terms of reference and are presented to the aircraft. In addition, these requirements take into account the development of the platform, taking into account the fact that the machine will certainly continue to be modified. We understand that the range of goods will only increase, – Ganin said.

    According to him, the Il-112B was the first Russian military transport aircraft of this class equipped with a tail ramp. For its class, the aircraft will be able to carry a large range of cargo, has a large cargo cabin dimensions compared to its Soviet predecessors, but at the same time an optimal take-off weight.

    Sergey Ganin explained that this aircraft was originally developed as a multifunctional platform. "It already contains opportunities for further development, including the creation of civilian versions to meet the needs of transport aviation. If there is a customer, the platform can develop" – he concluded.

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    Post  George1 Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:42 am

    On August 5 and 7, 2021, the eleventh and twelfth test flights of the Il-112V light military transport aircraft took place at the airfield of the Voronezh aircraft building enterprise PJSC VASO (as part of PJSC UAC of the State Corporation Rostec). Photo (c) Oleg Kharseev and Alexey Filatov.

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    https://dambiev.livejournal.com/2383285.html

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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Fri Aug 13, 2021 5:44 pm

    Il-112V made its first flight to Zhukovsky. 

    The newest Russian military transport aircraft Il-112V arrived in Zhukovsky and at the end of August will be demonstrated for the first time to the guests of the Army-2021 forum, which will be held in Kubinka. This was reported on Friday in the press service of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC, part of the Rostec State Corporation).

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    Post  AMCXXL Sat Aug 14, 2021 9:56 pm

    Doesn't it seem to anyone that this plane looks too fat?

    Yuri Borisov himself said that it still does not meet the specifications.

    Landing in Ramenskoye-Zhukovsky aerodrom
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    Post  Isos Sat Aug 14, 2021 9:58 pm

    It's fat for its tiny engines. They need a bigger engine or cut the airframe.

    I'm surprised it passed preliminary design phase. It's clearly an uggly design.
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    Post  x_54_u43 Sat Aug 14, 2021 10:47 pm

    Glad to see russiadefence.net has so many experienced and qualified aircraft designers who can identify flaws in a design at a glance.

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    Post  Swede55 Sun Aug 15, 2021 12:16 am

    And the tiny wings.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Aug 15, 2021 6:52 am

    The fat body allows more internal volume for large loads to be carried internally.

    Small wings allow higher operating speeds with lower drag.

    Not sure why a pencil thin plane with enormous wings would be useful for but it certainly wouldn't be for transport roles.

    It's fat for its tiny engines. They need a bigger engine or cut the airframe

    You want bigger engines to make it look better are you a fucking homo?

    Ooh the plane has good performance but its ass is too big... if I flew on that plane all my boyfriends will tease me and I will be embarrassed.

    Are you a gay 12 year old child of undetermined gender?

    The body size and shape of an aircraft is determined by its load and internal dimension requirements.

    The engine size is determined by its speed and performance requirements.

    If anything having engines too small is perfection because small means less drag and lower weight... having big heavy engines is a bad thing.

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    Post  TMA1 Sun Aug 15, 2021 8:53 am

    Isos wrote:It's fat for its tiny engines. They need a bigger engine or cut the airframe.

    I'm surprised it passed preliminary design phase. It's clearly an uggly design.

    Eh? It's pretty. You temporarily lost your mind

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    Post  Isos Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:00 am

    It's engine are too small or the plane is too big.  That's an issue according to the designer itself.

    When I say uggly design I mean they should have seen there will be issues concerning the weight from the design phase. Wings and engines look very small compare to boddy.

    The proportions boddy/wings/engines are weired when compared to other planes.
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    Post  kvs Sun Aug 15, 2021 3:12 pm

    The propeller sweep is clearly not small and scales well with the size of this aircraft. You better deliver some numbers showing
    that these engines cannot drive enough rpm in order to go on with your too small claim.

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    Post  kvs Sun Aug 15, 2021 3:17 pm

    Swede55 wrote:And the tiny wings.

    It wouldn't be able to lift any load if they were not designed correctly. People are used to the 1930s grotesquely oversized
    wings which were too thick and thus a source of drag which they overcame with more surface area. The IL-112 wings are clearly
    more advanced and have actual intellectual effort behind them.

    The critics are proposing to design aircraft based on their aesthetics. Which means whatever ignorant BS they think looks
    good is the right approach. Thankfully real professionals with real educations are making the decisions.

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    Post  Broski Sun Aug 15, 2021 5:21 pm

    Quick question, is the 112V designed to air-drop cargo?
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    Post  marcellogo Sun Aug 15, 2021 6:06 pm

    Broski wrote:Quick question, is the 112V designed to air-drop cargo?

    Quick answer.
    Absolutely: wide body, huge ramp (yes, in this one aspect almost Isos is right as it appear too big compared to the rest of the plane), turboprop engines.

    It is clearly designed to airdrop standard pallets and paratroopers at low velocity.

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    Post  Isos Sun Aug 15, 2021 7:03 pm

    kvs wrote:The propeller sweep is clearly not small and scales well with the size of this aircraft.   You better deliver some numbers showing
    that these engines cannot drive enough rpm in order to go on with your too small claim.


    It was sent back in redesign because it was too big.

    It is something they should have seen during the design phase with digital simulations. They clearly did their work wrong.
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    Post  Mir Sun Aug 15, 2021 8:02 pm

    Initially the aircraft was found to be a bit heavy and they reduced the weight accordingly in the two prototypes. I also saw somewhere that there was a balance issue? Normal growing pains - nothing disastrous.

    It compares well to aircraft in it's class like the Italian G222 and CJ-27 Spartan and even the CASA 295/395 and all the specs compared to these planes seems to indicate that performance wise it will be fine.

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    Post  LMFS Sun Aug 15, 2021 9:59 pm

    Isos wrote:It was sent back in redesign because it was too big.

    It is something they should have seen during the design phase with digital simulations. They clearly did their work wrong.

    It was not too big, it was too heavy. There is a good interview with Talikov linked in the forum where he explains what happened and what the reasons for overweight were. Recently they have made changes in the construction, not in the dimensions of the plane.

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    Post  franco Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:47 pm

    Wide bodied not fat Smile Believe it was specified due to the standard size of pallet's for the Il-76 and same for the Il-476 when it arrives.

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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:01 pm

    franco wrote:Wide bodied not fat Smile  Believe it was specified due to the standard size of pallet's for the Il-76 and same for the Il-476 when it arrives.

    She's not fat, she just likes to eat Embarassed

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    Post  GarryB Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:57 am

    It's engine are too small or the plane is too big.

    Maybe it is a translation problem.

    Are you meaning to say the engines are not powerful enough.

    Having engines that are physically too small is not a problem.... it would be like saying a 3,000hp engine needs to be physically big and heavy... it does not and it is a better engine if it is not big and heavy.

    Having a small low drag motor with lots of power is a good thing not a bad thing.

    Having a big transport plane means extra drag which is bad, but means more internal volume for carrying more stuff which is a good thing.

    The proportions boddy/wings/engines are weired when compared to other planes.

    Big body means more internal space, small wing means higher flight speeds for the extra weight.

    It was sent back in redesign because it was too big.

    No it was not. The balance was wrong so they had to add a two ton ballast weight inside the aircraft to allow it to fly with the design at the time.

    The redesign was about shifting the internal weight of the design to allow the ballast weight to be removed.

    It is as big as it is to carry the payloads it needs to be able to carry.

    It is something they should have seen during the design phase with digital simulations. They clearly did their work wrong.

    If computer models were so wondering and perfect they could skip flight testing and just go to serial production.

    In the real world they need flight testing and that will find problems the computer model is obviously not accurate enough to find, but flight testing can lead to finding errors in the computer model that can be further refined and made more accurate and realistic, so next time the flight test models will be more accurate and changes to the flight model become unnecessary.

    She's not fat, she just likes to eat


    Hahaha yes... she is a transport plane and has to eat her meals whole... imagine the result if she had to chew her food...
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Mon Aug 16, 2021 11:49 am

    Anyway, given the width of the aircraft, possibly a enlonged version with more powerful engines and increased payload  could be in the plan for the future and could fit quite well in the niche between the il112V and the An-12 replacement (il-276?)

    By the way, Russia is working on engines for both aircrafts and helicopters of 4000-5000 hp (similar power as the g222/c27J and C130 engines).

    https://en.topcor.ru/15348-rossija-gotovitsja-k-sozdaniju-aviadvigatelja-novogo-pokolenija-pdv-4000.html


    Note: the engines of the EADS/CASA C295 are less powerful than the ones on the il 112v.

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