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    Post  medo Fri Aug 06, 2021 11:00 am

    Any informations, when will Egyptian Su-35 finally land in Egypt? For now we only see them sitting in Russia.
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    Post  Isos Fri Aug 06, 2021 11:09 am

    medo wrote:Any informations, when will Egyptian Su-35 finally land in Egypt? For now we only see them sitting in Russia.

    The contract happened really fast. IMO they are still training on them and it will take more time than for mig-29 since it's a more complicated airplane with more sensors but also 3d vector thrust engine that need time to be trained on.

    They don't want to get in a position where the plane put itself in an bad situation and loose control. Thrust vectoring isn't easy to use. And they can't train just one egyptian instructor for that but will train all the pilots.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Aug 06, 2021 1:11 pm

    But the other interesting part is the two end MiG-29M/M2/35 are the rarer 2-seat models of which the EAF only has 4 o fthem IIRC.

    They might have ordered 4 fitted out with two seats but they are actually modifiable at overhaul level units where the seat and second cockpit can be added or fitted with an extra fuel tank.

    It means as long as you get the extra parts you can swap between versions of single seat and twin seat on all three aircraft of that generation/modification.

    MiG-29M and MiG-29M2 are essentially the same aircraft and can be changed between the two designations by either fitting two seats or one seat and an extra fuel tank. The MiG-35 is the same and so is the MiG-29KR... both of which can also be in a two or single seat configuration.

    The original MiG-29M from the late 1980s could not do this and previous MiG-29s were either single seat with a small canopy or a two seat KUB model with a two seat canopy.

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    Post  Gomig-21 Sat Aug 07, 2021 1:48 am

    GarryB wrote:
    But the other interesting part is the two end MiG-29M/M2/35 are the rarer 2-seat models of which the EAF only has 4 o fthem IIRC.

    They might have ordered 4 fitted out with two seats but they are actually modifiable at overhaul level units where the seat and second cockpit can be added or fitted with an extra fuel tank.

    It means as long as you get the extra parts you can swap between versions of single seat and twin seat on all three aircraft of that generation/modification.

    MiG-29M and MiG-29M2 are essentially the same aircraft and can be changed between the two designations by either fitting two seats or one seat and an extra fuel tank. The MiG-35 is the same and so is the MiG-29KR... both of which can also be in a two or single seat configuration.

    The original MiG-29M from the late 1980s could not do this and previous MiG-29s were either single seat with a small canopy or a two seat KUB model with a two seat canopy.

    I realize that and I think it's pretty cool while it shows the versatility of that specific aircraft. But don't you think that despite that capability or option that it is a rather cumbersome process? To remove a gas tank and add a functioning backseater would probably be a bit easier than the other way around, having to remove all the wiring and connections for a functioning backseat and then add the tank with the safe plumbing etc.

    My guess is that even with that option and even if I'm wrong and it's not as difficult or cumbersome as I think it would be, that the EAF would relegate the ones that are the way the are to remain that way and order more of whatever type they need since it seems they are quite happy with those aircraft.

    On another note, what needs to happen is to confirm the local rumors that there are at least 5 Su-35SEs in Egypt and possibly up to 17 units undergoing training in house. What we would LOVE to see at this point is those bad larries to appear in Egyptian colors and insignia to put pressure on a lot of other issues we would love to see resolved to make the EAF a much more potent air force than it already is.

    One of those would be to convince the US that is better get on the move and accept the Viper upgrade request for the EAF for at least 145 of the existing F-16s which would entail adding the new SARSs AESA radar and start offering the AIM-120C-7 as well as the AIM-9X and many other beneficial upgrades to one of the US's better regional allies despite its recent partnership and super friendship with Russia. And if not, then it's time to make a really drastic change and put the US almost completely behind it and move solely to European and Russian aircraft and give the US the old heeve hi ho middle finger!

    Which BTW, there's a new video in Arabic that suggests that Egypt has put in a very solid request for a large number of Su-57s that makes the Algerian request look like child's play. I've been dreaming of that scenario for a long time and it couldn't have come any sooner.

    Hopefully the Russian fellas here will see or hear of that news in one of the reliable Russian networks and announce it. We need to see that big time as well as get going with the Su-35SE so that the number of that aircraft can quickly grow from 30 to 54, possibly 72 and eventually 100+.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Aug 07, 2021 8:07 am

    I suspect they could buy the planes as singles and buy extra twin seat adaptation kits to convert any they wish to operate at twin seaters.

    Removing ejection seats is normal... sometimes you have to replace them or take them out for maintenance or to replace parts, and I would think once it is removed the empty space could be made bigger by having a removable cockpit display system that would enlarge the size of the fuel tank you could fit there.

    It has not been modified for this job, but designed from the outset for the rear seat to be removable... it wont be something you do between missions, but if you decide you want all two seaters then you don't have to return all the planes and wait for new planes.

    With the original MiG-29 they made them totally different with different sized and shaped canopies which resulted in the twin seat aircraft being a trainer with only a ranging only radar it could carry the full range of radar guided weapons.

    By making them changeable all aircraft can be used as trainers and yet remain fully operational aircraft with an increase in flight range for the single seaters.

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    Post  joker88 Sat Aug 07, 2021 9:48 pm

    https://ria.ru/20210720/shugaev-1741881433.html
    Do we expect that the additional Su-35 deal is specific to Egypt, as the article confirms, compared to the picture of the factory’s production, and also because the article mentioned that China or Turkey did not contract the fighter
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    Post  joker88 Sun Aug 08, 2021 10:04 am

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    Post  Gomig-21 Sun Aug 08, 2021 5:10 pm

    joker88 wrote:Egyptian Air Force (EAF) - Page 21 Image

    Looks like the Su-35SE on the right is being fitted with something on the bottom of the wingtip rails which makes them NOT the Khibiny pods but rather a different type of missile or guided bomb.  The inner pylon looks like they're fitting R-73 but hopefully the more modern R-74 is what Egypt ordered with this batch.  Still waiting to see the R-27ER!

    EDIT: Actually I do think I see a single R-27 on the far inner pylon of that same aircraft's right wing! Anyone else agree with that or disagree and think it's something else? @Gary or @Isos or @LMFS or @AhmedFire?

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    Post  joker88 Mon Aug 09, 2021 3:08 am

    I do not know because the picture is not clear even after a while, but the jamming system is very visible
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    Post  Gomig-21 Mon Aug 09, 2021 4:42 am

    But the Khibiny EW pods are mounted on the SIDE of the wingtip rails, not the bottom like it shows on the picture. Usually all munitions like the R-73 are mounted on the bottom of the wingtip rails like whatever those are in the pics. But if they were Khibiny pods, they would be mounted like this:

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    If they mount a missile, they hang it right to the bottom of the wingtip rail like this:

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    Which is not what I believe is in the picture you posted which is very interesting. Wonder what it is? But I'm VERY happy to see what appears to be at least a single R-27 on the inner pylon of the right wing!

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    Post  joker88 Mon Aug 09, 2021 7:26 am

    Because the image is a horizontal projection, filter the image, you will find that it is on the edges, and you also find the distance between the pod and the missile is not large, and this is not customary for loading weights on the wing
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    Post  GarryB Mon Aug 09, 2021 11:01 am

    The inner pylon looks like they're fitting R-73 but hopefully the more modern R-74 is what Egypt ordered with this batch. Still waiting to see the R-27ER!

    Can't tell with the quality of the image, but no matter what the quality the R-74 would be rather hard to distinguish from the R-73 because they are very similar...

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