Isos wrote:Link 16 is available only to NATO. It's not for export.
Really? And who is the LARGEST and most influential member of NATO? Forget about what the orange baboon did, Biden will get the US right back in and they pay and fly the most missions out of all the contributors. So NATO is actually a US creation post WWII and has a huge influence on that organization that hung in there in the last four years but I bet they're dancing all night to the moon that the US is coming back strong.
Now, apart from that, how do you know anything about the EAF? Do you follow them on a regular basis? Do you know that they can actually perform almost every single overhaul task to all of their F-16s in Egypt in a special building several industrial areas designed and built by the Egypt to work on all the F-16s without any American help, or minimal because they're very nosy and in all the clauses they make us sign, they need to be informed of every single thing we do to them. Guaranteed you didn't know that.
Did you know that for 38 years, Egypt and the US performed Bright Star Exercise where a large part of that was JTAS combat mission between US jets (F-16, F-15 and F/A-18)? My guess is you probably knew that.
Now how is that data shared between the 3 types of US jets with US AWACs and Egyptian AWACs AND the soldiers on the ground requesting air support through JTAS comms? Do you think they draw pictures and email them on their own computers?
Another question for you, without looking it up, you said our F-16s are old (I'm sorry to say this to you, but that is TOTALLY incorrect. Yes, some of them are pretty old especially the Block 15 which were completely retired and the Block 32, block 40 were all upgraded by the US in the past 5 years to Block 40 Standard minus the new Block 52+ for a total of 195 F-16. These are NEW aircraft so you are wrong there, sorry.
This was one of the reason the brass decided on the very expensive Rafale because not only its AESA RBE2 radar performs amazing functions, but it also has Link-16 with immediately gave it commonality with not only the entire fleet of F-16s, but with the E-2C Hawkeyes to share data through Link-16 in seconds. This was VERY important for the EAF to have that consideration. I don't think you knew a lot of this information so I am happy to educate you.
The Bright Star exercises were very heavy duty especially the last one and linkage was essential and NO, they didn't invent some phantom Link for us lol that is just pure fantasy.
There are many orders that Egypt put in for its F-16 through the FAS that didn't involve new aircraft or whatever and the FLIR and LITENING pods and especially the Sniper XR with one or two aircraft can carry will provide the info to all the other aircraft in the formation through Link-16 and data sharing. I bet you didn't know that.
The last JTAS training exercise in 2017/18 was heavily done using only ground radio control to the F-16s and targets were illuminated by ground SOF and executed to perfection.
Now, the Link-16 will be sided until there are more exercises with NATO aircraft (which they made a recent deal for that to curb the illegal migration to Europe from Libya & Syria and African countries) it is by no meant a membership but a partnership that was signed last year (guaranteed you didn't know that) and any future US exercises since it is a very important component that speeds up data sharing and executing bombing missions in a timely fashion that you can't wait for Sarah to draw a picture and email it to the pilot and put an X where they want bombs dropped lol, they use Link-16.
Isos wrote:Your f-16 are connected to your awacs with US made datalink that has nothing to do with link 16.
ABSOLUTELY it does!!! Look, I won't tell you any more details because I will have to give up too much info which I would rather not but either way, Link-16 will be a secondary form of data linkage because we have created a local data linkage after being allowed to use the RBE2 AESA radar with France's permission since we didn't want to touch the ones in the F-16 and get in trouble any more than we already are except that now we have an immense system that does not just involve the F-16s and Rafales, but we need to make our SUPER Russian aircraft are a MAJOR part of this entire family as well as the Ka-52 attack helos and the ENTIRE navy (all the huge amount of soldiers and tanks and helos on board our Mistrals need instant data linkage and they will have that) and every single platform to have this newly developed domestic super fast data sharing “However, data is being shared between the different-origin aircraft through the command-and-control centers that are equipped with dedicated systems capable of linking the various radars (Protivnik GE and Resonace=E), aircraft, sensors, reconnaissance and electronic warfare systems, and integrating all the information and data they receive into a unified system named RISC2
Now, this new advanced domestic data linkage that brings our ever loving Russian birds into an entire family that operates as one also includes especially ground control, and ESPESIALLY the tremendous SAM network (I bet it would be very difficult to find such an immense and modernly effective 24/7/365 SAM alert system anywhere else) that has been set up to date to prevent IFF issues and it is pretty much completed and tested once all the Su-35s are in the EAF and have had the hard and software installed. Here's the link in case you're interested but please, don't just shoot out of your mind and think that just because the US didn't supply us with the AIM-120 and 9X and that you. were obviously unaware of all the upgrades including new radars with spares until you know more of the exact history and details. BTW, a big reason the rejoicing of the new 30 Rafales is that because they also come with Link-16 that not will only enhance the current F-16 fleet but also alleviate the over-stretched burden on the F-16 fleet considerably.
The link on the newly domesticated data link to include the MiG-20m/35 & Su-35SE and hopefully the Su-57 which we would like to see it in the desert camo should be revolutionary.“However, data is being shared between the different-origin aircraft through the command-and-control centers that are equipped with dedicated systems capable of linking the various radar, aircraft, sensors, reconnaissance and electronic warfare systems, and integrating all the information and data they receive into a unified system named RISC2.”
“This system enables the dynamic exchange of integrated data with various command-and-control centers, with the next generation of cyber protection systems and firewalls ... as well as the Egyptian surface-to-air missile command center to analyze and assess the risks and air threats, and [determine] the type of air defense systems needed to deal with these threats,” he added.To overcome delays in data sharing, the Air Force looked to the Rafale "to link aircraft of different origins during the flight, since it is equipped not only with Link 16 data links but also with other solutions for non-NATO countries to operate in integrated operational [environments] with all platforms and with friendly combat assets, and airborne command and control, which allows it to operate in harmony with modern Russian fighters operating for the Egyptian Air Force,” al-Kenany explained.
As I mentioned before, the US with CAATSA would NEVER allow Egyptian engineers to retrieve and study the link 16 in the F-16 and use it to integrate Russian aircraft and so they had to use the French one in the Rafale which is quite advanced to help ToT a powerful domestic system that didn't include just fighter jets
Isos wrote:Rafales are french build and unless US integrated their datalink inside, it can't connect to the f-16.
Not sure where you got that info from. You realize that the French L'Armee Marine has operated off of several US aircraft carriers and your telling me it's a different Link-16 data sharing intimation?
Look, I enjoy our interaction and I will leave you with the final post and move on as we will have to agree to disagree on this matter and let's take a better look at the SPY satellites the French have supply along with the pair of Airbus A330 MRTT Air refueling tankers as well as the digital AESA Early warning radar when you add it to the Russian SAM systems already in place, it's really extraordinary what this super fast modernization being done with equipment we really haven't know much about in the past and that could only mean one thing, the Egyptian delegates have really done their research well as well as the negotiators to pitch these specific systems that are not too known but once you learn about them, they are VERY potent and fit perfectly with our needs.
And I think it's pretty evident what these two first combat missions will entail as they have the drogue and chute for all the fighters with inflight refueling probes like most the Russians as well as a boom refueler for the F-16s. That increases their range tremendously as we know buddy-buddy refueling is better than nothing, but quite limited in a large sense compared to these bad Larries. Ethiopia, get ready because the bombing can be done sooner than when the Su-35's are inducted to active use. Those would be a great bonus to flatten the living daylights out of the entire infrastructure and really ruin that poor country which I would hate to see.
It's about time. We should've had these ten years ago and thank goodness for the lesser reliance on the US. It's about time they drop that BS about Israeli Jets for crying out loud. If the USE, Saudi Arabia and Jordan and others who operate the AIM-120 and ballistic missiles wanted to flatten tiny biatcha Israel it would be a 1 day war.
Sorry for the long post, buddy.