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    Post  ahmedfire on Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:59 pm

    No need to worry about the armament of the new Russian platforms , Egypt is turning a head to Russia for a reason .Sisi is not satisfied or actually angry from the US continous steps to limit the EAF cababilities and he is right regarding that .

    Also don't expect to see a photo for every missile hanged on the aircraft over the pyramids Razz

    Anything would be better than the current F-16 armament , i expect there is no future to any new US aircraft for EAF . thumbsup
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    Post  ahmedfire on Tue Aug 04, 2020 12:13 am


    Egypt’s MiG-29M vs. Turkey’s F-16C: Which Fighter Would Prevail in a Clash Over Libya?


    As long-standing tensions between Egypt and Turkey worsen over their ongoing support for opposing sides in Libya’s civil war, Cairo has threatened military intervention which could bring it into direct conflict with Turkish forces already deployed on Libyan territory. The Turkish military presence in Libya has seriously undermined the war effort of the Libyan National Army, which is receiving support from Egypt and the United Arab Emirates and has been bolstered on the battlefield by Russian military contractors. Turkey has also deployed a number of Syrian jihadist militant units to the Libyan front, after these units received training and support in their attempt to overthrow the Syrian government over the last decade, and their campaign in Libya has been backed by Turkish officers and drone units which have taken a heavy toll on the national army.

    With reports that Turkey could deploy F-16C fighter jets to support its war effort in Libya, an Egyptian intervention would likely require the Egyptian Air Force to tackle this threat. The vast majority of Egypt’s fighter fleet is effectively obsolete for high intensity air to air combat, and while it is itself one of the world’s largest operators of the F-16C Egypt has not been provided with access to AIM-120 active radar guided missiles forcing them to rely on obsolete AIM-7 missiles from the 1980s. Turkey’s F-16s, too, use dated missile designs from the 1990s - the AIM-120B. These are considerably superior than the AIM-7 deployed by Egypt and benefit from active rather than semi-active radar guidance, but their electronic warfare countermeasures are limited and their range is restricted to just 75km. The majority of F-16 users today such as Pakistan, Morocco and South Korea deploy the AIM-120C which is considerably more capable with a range exceeding 100km.

    While Egypt’s F-16s are poorly suited to engaging Turkish fighters, its most capable aircraft for air to air combat, the MiG-29M, is more likely to be used. Following the overthrow of Egypt’s western aligned islamist government in 2013 the coutnry notably moved to enhanced its Air Force with new fighter classes, most notably the MiG-29M, small numbers of the French Rafale and more recently the Su-35 heavyweight air superiority platform which has yet to be delivered. Egypt’s Rafale jets have yet to be equipped with modern long range air to air missiles, making the MiG-29M the most suitable fighter to engage the Turkish Air Force. When comparing the fighter’s air to air engagement range with that of Turkish F-16s, the Egyptian fighter can engage at up to 130km with the R-27ER missile and up to 110km with the R-77 missile. Both of these are much newer and carry heavier warheads than the F-16’s AIM-120B and have much longer ranges.

    Beyond their missile capabilities, the Egyptian fighters hold very significant other advantages. The aircraft can operate at much higher altitudes of around 19km, compared to the F-16’s 15km flight ceiling, and are faster with the ability to reach Mach 2.25 where the F-16 cannot exceed Mach 2. The Egyptian fighters are also a lot more manoeuvrable with a superior thrust/weight ratio, and can accommodate slightly larger radars. Perhaps the most significant advantage Egyptian fighters will have in a clash over Libya its their ability to undermine the Turkish Air Force’s ability to operate in the theatre, deploying advanced standoff missiles capable of striking possible airbases while Turkey’s ability to strike the far more numerous airfields on Egyptian territory will be limited. Turkish fighters will also be forced to rely on aerial refuelling to operate over Libya, which given Egypt’s very large range advantage when looking at its air to air missiles represents a significant vulnerability, as Turkish fighters will struggle to protect their refuelling tankers without long range air to air missiles of their own. Ultimately Egypt can be assured of a qualitative advantage in the air if deploying the MiG-29M, although this could change should Turkey attempt to purchase the AIM-120C missile for its American made fighters in the near future which would reduce the discrepancy favouring MiG-29. The Egyptian advantage is set to grow considerably by the end of 2021 as the country looks to field its first Su-35 squadron, with the fighters coming from a much higher weight range, being much more modern and fielding far superior capabilities to either the F-16 or the MiG-29.

    https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/egypt-s-mig-29m-vs-turkey-s-f-16c-which-fighter-would-prevail-in-a-clash-over-libya

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    Post  Gomig-21 on Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:26 pm

    ahmedfire wrote:

    Egypt’s MiG-29M vs. Turkey’s F-16C: Which Fighter Would Prevail in a Clash Over Libya?




    As long-standing tensions between Egypt and Turkey worsen over their ongoing support for opposing sides in Libya’s civil war, Cairo has threatened military intervention which could bring it into direct conflict with Turkish forces already deployed on Libyan territory. The Turkish military presence in Libya has seriously undermined the war effort of the Libyan National Army, which is receiving support from Egypt and the United Arab Emirates and has been bolstered on the battlefield by Russian military contractors. Turkey has also deployed a number of Syrian jihadist militant units to the Libyan front, after these units received training and support in their attempt to overthrow the Syrian government over the last decade, and their campaign in Libya has been backed by Turkish officers and drone units which have taken a heavy toll on the national army.

    With reports that Turkey could deploy F-16C fighter jets to support its war effort in Libya, an Egyptian intervention would likely require the Egyptian Air Force to tackle this threat. The vast majority of Egypt’s fighter fleet is effectively obsolete for high intensity air to air combat, and while it is itself one of the world’s largest operators of the F-16C Egypt has not been provided with access to AIM-120 active radar guided missiles forcing them to rely on obsolete AIM-7 missiles from the 1980s. Turkey’s F-16s, too, use dated missile designs from the 1990s - the AIM-120B. These are considerably superior than the AIM-7 deployed by Egypt and benefit from active rather than semi-active radar guidance, but their electronic warfare countermeasures are limited and their range is restricted to just 75km. The majority of F-16 users today such as Pakistan, Morocco and South Korea deploy the AIM-120C which is considerably more capable with a range exceeding 100km.

    While Egypt’s F-16s are poorly suited to engaging Turkish fighters, its most capable aircraft for air to air combat, the MiG-29M, is more likely to be used. Following the overthrow of Egypt’s western aligned islamist government in 2013 the coutnry notably moved to enhanced its Air Force with new fighter classes, most notably the MiG-29M, small numbers of the French Rafale and more recently the Su-35 heavyweight air superiority platform which has yet to be delivered. Egypt’s Rafale jets have yet to be equipped with modern long range air to air missiles, making the MiG-29M the most suitable fighter to engage the Turkish Air Force. When comparing the fighter’s air to air engagement range with that of Turkish F-16s, the Egyptian fighter can engage at up to 130km with the R-27ER missile and up to 110km with the R-77 missile. Both of these are much newer and carry heavier warheads than the F-16’s AIM-120B and have much longer ranges.

    Beyond their missile capabilities, the Egyptian fighters hold very significant other advantages. The aircraft can operate at much higher altitudes of around 19km, compared to the F-16’s 15km flight ceiling, and are faster with the ability to reach Mach 2.25 where the F-16 cannot exceed Mach 2. The Egyptian fighters are also a lot more manoeuvrable with a superior thrust/weight ratio, and can accommodate slightly larger radars. Perhaps the most significant advantage Egyptian fighters will have in a clash over Libya its their ability to undermine the Turkish Air Force’s ability to operate in the theatre, deploying advanced standoff missiles capable of striking possible airbases while Turkey’s ability to strike the far more numerous airfields on Egyptian territory will be limited. Turkish fighters will also be forced to rely on aerial refuelling to operate over Libya, which given Egypt’s very large range advantage when looking at its air to air missiles represents a significant vulnerability, as Turkish fighters will struggle to protect their refuelling tankers without long range air to air missiles of their own. Ultimately Egypt can be assured of a qualitative advantage in the air if deploying the MiG-29M, although this could change should Turkey attempt to purchase the AIM-120C missile for its American made fighters in the near future which would reduce the discrepancy favouring MiG-29. The Egyptian advantage is set to grow considerably by the end of 2021 as the country looks to field its first Su-35 squadron, with the fighters coming from a much higher weight range, being much more modern and fielding far superior capabilities to either the F-16 or the MiG-29.

    https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/egypt-s-mig-29m-vs-turkey-s-f-16c-which-fighter-would-prevail-in-a-clash-over-libya


    I read that when it first came out and I must say that it is a bit of a skewed article because it claims the turks only have the AIM-120B with 80 or 85 km range while the EAF MiG-35 has the RVV-SD with 110 kilometre range and so if it can see it and fire at it first, the edge is clearly in favor of the EAF's MiG-35.  The problem is that I think the turks have already upgraded their AIM-120s to the C-7 with has a very long range of 120km+.

    So I honestly don't put much stock in that article and would rather spend the time trying to figure out exactly what missile the EAF has on its MiG-35 and if the SIPRI bulletin you posted is accurate with the RVV-AE in it, and if so, then that really sucks and I wouldn't know why they would pick that missile IF the RVV-SD is available!?!?!  It's beyond stupid and frustrating. Unless of course, it's like @GarryB mentioned that it's possible it's still not available for export yet, then that would make sense. But they better get the best possible A2A missile with the Su-35s or else we'll be really frustrated beyond belief.
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    Post  ahmedfire on Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:04 pm

    I read that when it first came out and I must say that it is a bit of a skewed article because it claims the turks only have the AIM-120B with 80 or 85 km range while the EAF MiG-35 has the RVV-SD with 110 kilometre range and so if it can see it and fire at it first, the edge is clearly in favor of the EAF's MiG-35. The problem is that I think the turks have already upgraded their AIM-120s to the C-7 with has a very long range of 120km+.

    They may have limited numbers of C-7 and the maximum range couldn't be used for firing ,it's useless if used specially against modern EW suites.

    TAF has hit a syrian aircraft from about 50 to 60 km using Amraam .The US has used it in WVR when the Aim-9x failed to hit a syrian aircraft .

    It's not only about missiles , TAF can not easily work over Libya against EAF ,they need stable near bases and they need to use their Awacs as per the Nato tactics but this only works against broken very weak countries but if EAF and AD are there ,Turkey can not turn this mode on .
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    Post  ahmedfire on Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:13 pm

    30 SU-35 to Egypt   thumbsup

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