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    Post  ahmedfire on Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:59 pm

    No need to worry about the armament of the new Russian platforms , Egypt is turning a head to Russia for a reason .Sisi is not satisfied or actually angry from the US continous steps to limit the EAF cababilities and he is right regarding that .

    Also don't expect to see a photo for every missile hanged on the aircraft over the pyramids Razz

    Anything would be better than the current F-16 armament , i expect there is no future to any new US aircraft for EAF . thumbsup
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    Post  ahmedfire on Tue Aug 04, 2020 12:13 am


    Egypt’s MiG-29M vs. Turkey’s F-16C: Which Fighter Would Prevail in a Clash Over Libya?


    As long-standing tensions between Egypt and Turkey worsen over their ongoing support for opposing sides in Libya’s civil war, Cairo has threatened military intervention which could bring it into direct conflict with Turkish forces already deployed on Libyan territory. The Turkish military presence in Libya has seriously undermined the war effort of the Libyan National Army, which is receiving support from Egypt and the United Arab Emirates and has been bolstered on the battlefield by Russian military contractors. Turkey has also deployed a number of Syrian jihadist militant units to the Libyan front, after these units received training and support in their attempt to overthrow the Syrian government over the last decade, and their campaign in Libya has been backed by Turkish officers and drone units which have taken a heavy toll on the national army.

    With reports that Turkey could deploy F-16C fighter jets to support its war effort in Libya, an Egyptian intervention would likely require the Egyptian Air Force to tackle this threat. The vast majority of Egypt’s fighter fleet is effectively obsolete for high intensity air to air combat, and while it is itself one of the world’s largest operators of the F-16C Egypt has not been provided with access to AIM-120 active radar guided missiles forcing them to rely on obsolete AIM-7 missiles from the 1980s. Turkey’s F-16s, too, use dated missile designs from the 1990s - the AIM-120B. These are considerably superior than the AIM-7 deployed by Egypt and benefit from active rather than semi-active radar guidance, but their electronic warfare countermeasures are limited and their range is restricted to just 75km. The majority of F-16 users today such as Pakistan, Morocco and South Korea deploy the AIM-120C which is considerably more capable with a range exceeding 100km.

    While Egypt’s F-16s are poorly suited to engaging Turkish fighters, its most capable aircraft for air to air combat, the MiG-29M, is more likely to be used. Following the overthrow of Egypt’s western aligned islamist government in 2013 the coutnry notably moved to enhanced its Air Force with new fighter classes, most notably the MiG-29M, small numbers of the French Rafale and more recently the Su-35 heavyweight air superiority platform which has yet to be delivered. Egypt’s Rafale jets have yet to be equipped with modern long range air to air missiles, making the MiG-29M the most suitable fighter to engage the Turkish Air Force. When comparing the fighter’s air to air engagement range with that of Turkish F-16s, the Egyptian fighter can engage at up to 130km with the R-27ER missile and up to 110km with the R-77 missile. Both of these are much newer and carry heavier warheads than the F-16’s AIM-120B and have much longer ranges.

    Beyond their missile capabilities, the Egyptian fighters hold very significant other advantages. The aircraft can operate at much higher altitudes of around 19km, compared to the F-16’s 15km flight ceiling, and are faster with the ability to reach Mach 2.25 where the F-16 cannot exceed Mach 2. The Egyptian fighters are also a lot more manoeuvrable with a superior thrust/weight ratio, and can accommodate slightly larger radars. Perhaps the most significant advantage Egyptian fighters will have in a clash over Libya its their ability to undermine the Turkish Air Force’s ability to operate in the theatre, deploying advanced standoff missiles capable of striking possible airbases while Turkey’s ability to strike the far more numerous airfields on Egyptian territory will be limited. Turkish fighters will also be forced to rely on aerial refuelling to operate over Libya, which given Egypt’s very large range advantage when looking at its air to air missiles represents a significant vulnerability, as Turkish fighters will struggle to protect their refuelling tankers without long range air to air missiles of their own. Ultimately Egypt can be assured of a qualitative advantage in the air if deploying the MiG-29M, although this could change should Turkey attempt to purchase the AIM-120C missile for its American made fighters in the near future which would reduce the discrepancy favouring MiG-29. The Egyptian advantage is set to grow considerably by the end of 2021 as the country looks to field its first Su-35 squadron, with the fighters coming from a much higher weight range, being much more modern and fielding far superior capabilities to either the F-16 or the MiG-29.

    https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/egypt-s-mig-29m-vs-turkey-s-f-16c-which-fighter-would-prevail-in-a-clash-over-libya

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    Post  Gomig-21 on Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:26 pm

    ahmedfire wrote:

    Egypt’s MiG-29M vs. Turkey’s F-16C: Which Fighter Would Prevail in a Clash Over Libya?




    As long-standing tensions between Egypt and Turkey worsen over their ongoing support for opposing sides in Libya’s civil war, Cairo has threatened military intervention which could bring it into direct conflict with Turkish forces already deployed on Libyan territory. The Turkish military presence in Libya has seriously undermined the war effort of the Libyan National Army, which is receiving support from Egypt and the United Arab Emirates and has been bolstered on the battlefield by Russian military contractors. Turkey has also deployed a number of Syrian jihadist militant units to the Libyan front, after these units received training and support in their attempt to overthrow the Syrian government over the last decade, and their campaign in Libya has been backed by Turkish officers and drone units which have taken a heavy toll on the national army.

    With reports that Turkey could deploy F-16C fighter jets to support its war effort in Libya, an Egyptian intervention would likely require the Egyptian Air Force to tackle this threat. The vast majority of Egypt’s fighter fleet is effectively obsolete for high intensity air to air combat, and while it is itself one of the world’s largest operators of the F-16C Egypt has not been provided with access to AIM-120 active radar guided missiles forcing them to rely on obsolete AIM-7 missiles from the 1980s. Turkey’s F-16s, too, use dated missile designs from the 1990s - the AIM-120B. These are considerably superior than the AIM-7 deployed by Egypt and benefit from active rather than semi-active radar guidance, but their electronic warfare countermeasures are limited and their range is restricted to just 75km. The majority of F-16 users today such as Pakistan, Morocco and South Korea deploy the AIM-120C which is considerably more capable with a range exceeding 100km.

    While Egypt’s F-16s are poorly suited to engaging Turkish fighters, its most capable aircraft for air to air combat, the MiG-29M, is more likely to be used. Following the overthrow of Egypt’s western aligned islamist government in 2013 the coutnry notably moved to enhanced its Air Force with new fighter classes, most notably the MiG-29M, small numbers of the French Rafale and more recently the Su-35 heavyweight air superiority platform which has yet to be delivered. Egypt’s Rafale jets have yet to be equipped with modern long range air to air missiles, making the MiG-29M the most suitable fighter to engage the Turkish Air Force. When comparing the fighter’s air to air engagement range with that of Turkish F-16s, the Egyptian fighter can engage at up to 130km with the R-27ER missile and up to 110km with the R-77 missile. Both of these are much newer and carry heavier warheads than the F-16’s AIM-120B and have much longer ranges.

    Beyond their missile capabilities, the Egyptian fighters hold very significant other advantages. The aircraft can operate at much higher altitudes of around 19km, compared to the F-16’s 15km flight ceiling, and are faster with the ability to reach Mach 2.25 where the F-16 cannot exceed Mach 2. The Egyptian fighters are also a lot more manoeuvrable with a superior thrust/weight ratio, and can accommodate slightly larger radars. Perhaps the most significant advantage Egyptian fighters will have in a clash over Libya its their ability to undermine the Turkish Air Force’s ability to operate in the theatre, deploying advanced standoff missiles capable of striking possible airbases while Turkey’s ability to strike the far more numerous airfields on Egyptian territory will be limited. Turkish fighters will also be forced to rely on aerial refuelling to operate over Libya, which given Egypt’s very large range advantage when looking at its air to air missiles represents a significant vulnerability, as Turkish fighters will struggle to protect their refuelling tankers without long range air to air missiles of their own. Ultimately Egypt can be assured of a qualitative advantage in the air if deploying the MiG-29M, although this could change should Turkey attempt to purchase the AIM-120C missile for its American made fighters in the near future which would reduce the discrepancy favouring MiG-29. The Egyptian advantage is set to grow considerably by the end of 2021 as the country looks to field its first Su-35 squadron, with the fighters coming from a much higher weight range, being much more modern and fielding far superior capabilities to either the F-16 or the MiG-29.

    https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/egypt-s-mig-29m-vs-turkey-s-f-16c-which-fighter-would-prevail-in-a-clash-over-libya


    I read that when it first came out and I must say that it is a bit of a skewed article because it claims the turks only have the AIM-120B with 80 or 85 km range while the EAF MiG-35 has the RVV-SD with 110 kilometre range and so if it can see it and fire at it first, the edge is clearly in favor of the EAF's MiG-35.  The problem is that I think the turks have already upgraded their AIM-120s to the C-7 with has a very long range of 120km+.

    So I honestly don't put much stock in that article and would rather spend the time trying to figure out exactly what missile the EAF has on its MiG-35 and if the SIPRI bulletin you posted is accurate with the RVV-AE in it, and if so, then that really sucks and I wouldn't know why they would pick that missile IF the RVV-SD is available!?!?!  It's beyond stupid and frustrating. Unless of course, it's like @GarryB mentioned that it's possible it's still not available for export yet, then that would make sense. But they better get the best possible A2A missile with the Su-35s or else we'll be really frustrated beyond belief.
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    Post  ahmedfire on Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:04 pm

    I read that when it first came out and I must say that it is a bit of a skewed article because it claims the turks only have the AIM-120B with 80 or 85 km range while the EAF MiG-35 has the RVV-SD with 110 kilometre range and so if it can see it and fire at it first, the edge is clearly in favor of the EAF's MiG-35. The problem is that I think the turks have already upgraded their AIM-120s to the C-7 with has a very long range of 120km+.

    They may have limited numbers of C-7 and the maximum range couldn't be used for firing ,it's useless if used specially against modern EW suites.

    TAF has hit a syrian aircraft from about 50 to 60 km using Amraam .The US has used it in WVR when the Aim-9x failed to hit a syrian aircraft .

    It's not only about missiles , TAF can not easily work over Libya against EAF ,they need stable near bases and they need to use their Awacs as per the Nato tactics but this only works against broken very weak countries but if EAF and AD are there ,Turkey can not turn this mode on .
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    Post  ahmedfire on Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:13 pm

    30 SU-35 to Egypt   thumbsup

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    Post  Gomig-21 on Sat Sep 26, 2020 4:11 am

    ahmedfire wrote:30 SU-35 to Egypt   thumbsup

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    We need to see more pictures and the Egyptian colors on those bad boys soon,gaddammitt! This crap takes so long sometimes the waiting is painful! There are 10 in house already let's see something that shows them puttning the roundel on to cover that round white panel on the front fuselage and do a walk-through to show the features of the aircraft but nooooo, that's giving away too many secrets wlad el kalb! lol. They're so paranoid and you know why? Becasue of the looming sanctions.

    It's clear as day that if Trump wins a 2nd term (God forbid that and I hope he gets the boot up the ass so hard he cries hahaha wouldn't that be great?!) and then the donkydick Pompeepee won't be able to pursue his threat of handing out sanction on Egypt or the Egyptian military becasue of this awesome purchase of the 30 Su-35S'.

    However, should the super anti Sisi Biden win in 45 days, there is no guarantee either that things won't be worst for president Sisi since Biden already came out and trashed Sisi saying that after so many months in jail, an Egyptian/American journalist was freed when he supposedly was jailed unfairly and that human rights in Egypt are a huge concern that the Biden administration won't put up with and his final words were exactly this: "no more free money for Trump's favorite dictator." So this asswipe is also an undesirable for sure and can also cause all sorts of problems but I don't think he understands the process of the Peace Treaty with Israel and how much of that military aid is tied to that treaty and throwing up baseless human rights issues to block that military aid could backfire on Biden. But either way, Egyptian military will need to take matters into their own hands and deal with what I think will be inevitable sanctions coming from either winner of this upcoming US election and start thinking about making a complete shift to Russian and possibly European arms.

    In the end, the ones that will suffer the most will be the F-16 fleet and that is where Russian might be able to help by integrating some of the Russian missiles and bombs since those will come to a halt from the US for sure. If the Russians won't do it, we'll have to ask the Chinese to plug in their new substitute system they came out with to integrate their PL series of missiles and bombs.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:15 am

    I am sure the Russians would prefer to sell you some other aircraft.... perhaps some more MiGs and maybe a few Su-30s in their new upgraded version so it can manage groups of MiG-29M2s and make the mindependent hunters...

    Once you are on Americas shit list it is pretty hard to get off, and if you do stuff like put Russian or Chinese stuff on their stuff they will get even more shitty because that risks that they might do that everywhere they have cut off support and supply and risks that not being a death sentence any more... hahaha...

    Iraq and Iran and Venezuela all have US stuff and now Turkey and Egypt... perhaps there is a new market in converting US planes to Russian or Chinese systems.

    In the longer term however, the best solutions is to look elsewhere for entire systems.
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    Post  Isos on Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:48 am


    In the end, the ones that will suffer the most will be the F-16 fleet and that is where Russian might be able to help by integrating some of the Russian missiles and bombs since those will come to a halt from the US for sure. If the Russians won't do it, we'll have to ask the Chinese to plug in their new substitute system they came out with to integrate their PL series of missiles and bombs.

    No you can't integrate russian and chinese missiles on f-16.

    You need US to gives the source codes of the weapon control software and all the data of the radar. That's not going to happen.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:35 am

    You need US to gives the source codes of the weapon control software and all the data of the radar. That's not going to happen.

    This is true, so pretty much the avionics would need to be mostly replaced... and development costs would make it much cheaper to just buy existing types...
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    Post  Gomig-21 on Wed Sep 30, 2020 4:52 am

    Isos wrote:No you can't integrate russian and chinese missiles on f-16.

    You need US to gives the source codes of the weapon control software and all the data of the radar. That's not going to happen.

    That might have been the case back in the late 90's and early 2000's when Turkey was making a big stink about not being able to get the source codes from the US to integrate one of their domestic built cruise missiles I think it was, and they're one of the very few -- maybe even the only country outside the US -- that was assembling F-16s for customers and that was when we heard this whole thing about source codes etc.  But nowadays with all the outside systems that are being developed and not only that, but the hacking access that certain countries are capable of pulling off makes that type of thing truly almost obsolete as a stopping point.

    And even without being able to obtain the source codes, here's just one system out there made by China that allows any aircraft to integrate Chinese weapons on any aircraft of any build.

    https://twitter.com/warnesyworld/status/1098970728291016705

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    If the EAF ends up being stuck because of sanctions and run out of weapons, this could be a very effective way to continue the use of the 4th largest F-16 fleet in the world with PL short range and series of BVRAAMs A2A missiles as well as A2G munitions.
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    Post  Gomig-21 on Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:57 pm

    Let's go, there are 10 of these in house let's start seeing some dang pictures with EAF colors, maaan!

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    It certainly will be interesting to see Rafales, F-16s, MiG-29/35s and Su-35S' flying together in a single air force along with a few Mirage 2000s........

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    ........and possibly Eurofighter Typhoons if the French don't get their act together and stop trying to squeeze unrealistic amounts of $$$ for more Rafales or even the option of 12 more that the EAF reserves the right to take.  An option usually means that the price is already set as the same as the original deal and if the French are reneging on that, shame on them and then the EAF won't have any choice but to accept Italy's mega offer which included 24 EFTs.

    The two FREMMs have been fully agreed on all terms and are currently being readied in Italy for delivery to Egypt and so we should be seeing those soon enough.

    These two beauties have amazing systems in those towers from the powerful AESA main radar to the EWS to the new generation radiant element for the IFF system to other radars & sensors down to the bridge and to the systems command and control center below the bridge, some really powerful frigates.

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    https://twitter.com/i/status/1313696029011775488

    https://twitter.com/PeterHanna1/status/1313696262261223424

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    Post  ahmedfire on Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:21 pm

    EAF anniversary

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    Post  ahmedfire on Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:25 pm

    KH-31

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    Post  Gomig-21 on Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:25 pm

    Nice new pics of EAF MiG-35s and Rafale carrying HAMMERs.

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    Post  ahmedfire on Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:08 pm

    Egypt has received the first patch ( five ) of the SU-35 deal

    This year the aircraft plant of the city of youth fulfilled the second foreign contract for this equipment, five aircraft were delivered to the Arab Republic of Egypt. Earlier, China received 24 such units.

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    Post  ahmedfire on Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:20 pm

    Storm Shadow

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    Post  Gomig-21 on Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:23 pm

    Looks like there is some truth to the SIPRI statistic that all 50 SCALPs were in fact delivered. Good news.

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    Post  ahmedfire on Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:29 pm

    Gomig-21 wrote:Looks like there is some truth to the SIPRI statistic that all 50 SCALPs were in fact delivered.  Good news.

    We will not repeat the F-16 restrictions again on any other aircraft .

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    Post  Isos on Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:47 pm

    Gomig-21 wrote:Looks like there is some truth to the SIPRI statistic that all 50 SCALPs were in fact delivered.  Good news.

    Only 50 ? It's quite low. Other users have bought some 200-300.

    With the Turkey crisis, Egypt should ask UAE to buy them another 100 so that its stock is full for the next 10 years.

    It's a nice weapon to counter Israeli numerical advantage.
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    Post  Gomig-21 on Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:48 pm

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    Gomig-21 wrote:Looks like there is some truth to the SIPRI statistic that all 50 SCALPs were in fact delivered.  Good news.

    We will not repeat the F-16 restrictions again on any other aircraft .

    That's why I keep screaming about the Meteor and also the R-77-1 and longer range A2A missiles on all the aircraft. Even keep pushing the Americans to eventually give up the AIM-120 because this is getting ridiculous. Do it while Trump is still in there which might not be long because once Biden gets in, things will not be so cozy with Sisi lol.
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    Post  Gomig-21 on Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:52 pm

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    Gomig-21 wrote:Looks like there is some truth to the SIPRI statistic that all 50 SCALPs were in fact delivered.  Good news.

    Only 50 ? It's quite low. Other users have bought some 200-300.

    With the Turkey crisis, Egypt should ask UAE to buy them another 100 so that its stock is full for the next 10 years.

    It's a nice weapon to counter Israeli numerical advantage.

    Well, they only ordered 24 Rafales, so I don't think the option to order much more of those was available through the French. The UAE bought the Storm Shadow from the US same with Saudi and they had no issues selling them a high count. But when it comes to Egypt, it seems we are such a threat to Israel (I don't know why since they're the ones that have attacked us several times in recent history, not the other way around) that they try everything possible to limit the weapons, in type and quality/quantity.
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    Post  Isos on Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:56 pm

    Not US but UK.

    Well the best choice is kh-59mk2 for mig-29 and su-35. It'a russian analogue to Scalp. Russia will always sell them if there is the need for more.

    In case of war I'm not sure french would sell them more if Israel/US ask not to.
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    Post  ahmedfire on Tue Oct 27, 2020 6:02 pm

    Isos wrote:Not US but UK.

    Well the best choice is kh-59mk2 for mig-29 and su-35. It'a russian analogue to Scalp. Russia will always sell them if there is the need for more.

    In case of war I'm not sure french would sell them more if Israel/US ask not to.

    Could the photo be a mock-up ? i guess the protection from upside says no.
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    Post  Gomig-21 on Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:45 am

    ahmedfire wrote:KH-31

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    Any idea which variant this is, Kh-31P or Kh-31PD or Kh-31A or Kh-31AD?

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