Egyptian Air Force (EAF)

magnumcromagnon wrote:

GarryB wrote:

and 3.6 billion $ for 24 Rafale (about 150m$ for every Rafale aircraft ),

The Indians will be pissed off paying 175 million per bird.

Of course domestic production is expensive, but still... that takes guts from the French and stupidity for the Indians.

It was supposed to be a stopgap force... If I was India I would cancel the now 22 odd billion dollar deal and just put the original ten billion into their Tegas... fix all its problems and make a few thousand of them.

It's not just that, Boeing is now threatening to dramatically increase the price of the units sold in the Apache and Chinook deals with India, and India may end up canceling the helicopter tenders in response...

http://vpk-news.ru/news/23878

Indians would very stupid to buy for such enormous prices of around 60 mln USD per Helicopter, you could literally buy Su-30/35 for this or 2-3 Mi-28NE 2-3 Ka-52 for that which are also superior.

Egypt army through the years was only good to kill it's own people, but this 800$ high-tech room is priceless :

Hachimoto wrote:Egypt army through the years was only good to kill it's own people, but this 800$ high-tech room is priceless :

lol seems like a 4-5k euro tech room to be honest

Hachimoto wrote:Egypt army through the years was only good to kill it's own people, but this 800$ high-tech room is priceless :

WTF is that; a Commodore 64 game on those flat-panels on the walls?
The Joystick looks like the C64 one even.

Looks like a chill lounge. Look at the cinema chairs. Freetime room for soldiers nothing more.

Hachimoto wrote:Egypt army through the years was only good to kill it's own people, but this 800$ high-tech room is priceless :

What in all that's technologically holy happened here.

The electrical installation looks like it was done by my Grandma.
The flat screens look like you can get them at any old electronics store.
Tough books from probably the same store
A cardboard map in the background, not even glass.
And as mentioned above some Commodore 64

Are you sure this isn't some halve-assed game room, cause to be honest "i" can do a better job then this.

AlfaT8 wrote:

Hachimoto wrote:Egypt army through the years was only good to kill it's own people, but this 800$ high-tech room is priceless :

What in all that's technologically holy happened here.

The electrical installation looks like it was done by my Grandma.
The flat screens look like you can get them at any old electronics store.
Tough books from probably the same store
A cardboard map in the background, not even glass.
And as mentioned above some Commodore 64

Are you sure this isn't some halve-assed game room, cause to be honest "i" can do a better job then this.

This is from an official Tv to spread some dumb propaganda over population that Egypt army is looking good ...

I can forget everything except the electrical installation -_-

Egypt prepares to receive first three Rafales
Written by defenceWeb, Friday, 17 July 2015

The Egyptian Air Force will within the next ten days receive its first three Rafale fighter jets from Dassault, which is currently test flying them in full Egyptian markings.

Two Egyptian Rafales were seen flying from Base Aérienne 125 Istres-Le Tube on Wednesday. They will be delivered to Egypt before the opening ceremony of the widened Suez Canal on 5 August

Egypt ordered a single FREMM frigate and 16 two-seater Rafale DMs and eight single-seater Rafale EMs from France on 16 February. The multibillion euro contract also includes Mica air-to-air missiles and Scalp cruise missiles. Last month Egypt ordered AASM Hammer guided missiles for its Rafales.

Daily newspaper Al Akhbar earlier reported that France was gearing up to deliver the first Rafales to Egypt on 25 July. Egyptian pilots and maintenance technicians are currently being trained on the aircraft in France. Another three Rafales will be delivered before the end of this year, according to a military source quoted by the paper.

The first three Rafales currently undergoing flight testing were originally produced for the French Air Force but are being delivered to Egypt instead, after some French equipment has been removed. The remainder are due to follow at a rate of five aircraft per year.

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=39938:egypt-prepares-to-receive-first-three-rafales&catid=35:Aerospace&Itemid=107

PHOTO - Three Egyptian Rafale DM training
July 17, 2015

While yesterday was published exclusively on Defens'Aero ( See photos here! ), the first pictures of the first Rafale DM for the Egyptian Air Force, here's a new photo of the same Rafale training near the Istres Air Base 125.

The three Rafale DM (denomination Egyptian seater Rafale) were training probably keep a tight formation to train for the military parade to be held over the Suez Canal, Egypt, Aug. 6, 2015, to the occasion of the inauguration of the works that provide the canal expansion.

http://www.defens-aero.com/2015/07/photo-trois-rafale-dm-egyptiens-en-formation.html

Hachimoto wrote:This is from an official Tv to spread some dumb propaganda over population that Egypt army is looking good ...

I can forget everything except the electrical installation -_-

Wow, for reals, what the hell did they do with all the funds that the U.S pored into Egypt??

Rafale fighter, flying First Egyptian Rafale fly over Cairo the first delivery capital over to Egypt



Look like fix refuel probe. good for bomb

but dog fight no

Eight new F-16 warplanes fly on Cairo's sky after U.S. delivery
Published on Aug 1, 2015

Eight new F-16 aircrafts flied on Cairo's sky on Friday, one day after the United States' delivery, which is the latest step taken by the U.S. in support of Egypt to combat terrorism.

Arab terror kill boat. soon f16!

「新スエズ運河」開通、上空を飛行するラファール戦闘機　
Rafale aircrafts fly over Suez Canal

Published on Aug 6, 2015
Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi staged a lavish ceremony Thursday to unveil a "new" Suez Canal, seeking to boost the country's economy and international standing by expanding the vital waterway.

Rafale good for show

"An Egyptian order for Airbus A400M military transport aircraft is looking increasingly plausible and Spanish media confirming initial reports of such a sale say that up to 12 aircraft could be involved. The sale to Egypt was first reported by AndaluciaInformaciones.es, a Spanish news website, which said that Pilar Albiac, the Airbus DS executive vice-president for operations, told the Airbus DS board that Egypt had made its first order during a meeting at the Seville plant, where the A400M is assembled, Albiac did not say how many aircraft Egypt had ordered, but on Nov. 24 the Spanish outlet, quoting unidentified aviation industry sources, said the order will cover twelve aircraft at a cost of €150 million each. That puts the total value at €1.8 billion, excluding any specific capabilities or equipment that Egypt may require, whose cost would increase total price.

Airbus has not confirmed that a sale has been concluded, but a mid-November visit by Egyptian Defense Minister Sedki Sobhi to Airbus’ Seville-San Pablo plant is seen as another corroborating factor. Another Spanish media outlet, Infodefensa.com, quoted an unidentified industry official as confirming the deal, but saying that “the number of aircraft is much exaggerated.” An Egyptian contract for that many aircraft “is not going to happen,” the official said. Egypt currently operates 26 Lockheed C-130 Hercules, however, as well as 9 DHC-5 Buffalos and 24 Airbus C295, so an order for 12 A400Ms, no doubt paid for by Saudi Arabia, does not appear outsized. Egypt also is said to be requesting early delivery, but this looks unlikely given that Airbus Defence and Space continues to lag behind scheduled deliveries to the A400M partner nations.



Such an order would go a long way to absorbing Spain’s excess order, as it has ordered 27 A400Ms to respect its original commitment but, in fact, requires only 13. The amended contract between partner nations, renegotiated when the program was reset in 2010, allows the re-sale of excess aircraft to third-party customers. The sale is being handled very gingerly by Airbus because of fears the German government might veto supplying military equipment to a country whose military régime has been criticized for riding roughshod over democratic niceties. The German government’s Federal Security Council is tasked with authorizing the export of military equipment on a case-b-case basis. Saudi Arabia, for example, was unable to buy up to 800 Leopard tanks because their hull is made in Germany. This veto also affected General Dynamics, whose Spanish unit SBS at Alcala de Guadaira (Sevilla), among others. The council has, however, recently authorized the sale of other equipment to Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Kuwait.

Along with Egypt, other Arab country, Jordan, has joined the list of potential buyers of the A400M. Jordanian King Abdullah II, accompanied by Spain’s King Philip VI, saw a presentation of the aircraft in Getafe (Madrid) last week, and it is unlikely the two monarchs would have bothered were a sale not being discussed. Another head of state who has been personally involved in a possible purchase is Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto, who also inspected the plane in person during a visit to Spain. Mexico already operates 22 Airbus C295 light transport aircraft. The UAE is the fourth country with which Airbus is negotiating, with more immediate prospects. This confirms that the accident last May 9 of an A400M in Seville is not affecting export prospects. "

Source: http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/169181/egypt-nears-order-for-a400m-airlifter.html

"A defence delegation from Egypt would visit defence production facilities in Pakistan to look into the possibility of buying defence-related products Egypt has expressed interest in acquiring Pakistan’s multi-role JF—17 Thunder fighter jets, which the country has manufactured in collaboration with China. Pakistan’s Minister for Defence Production Rana Tanveer Hussain during a meeting with Egyptian Ambassador Sherif Shaheen offered the sale of JF—17 Thunder aircraft and Super Mashak to Egypt.



In the meeting, the Egyptian Ambassador told the minister that Egypt is looking for collaboration with Pakistan in the defence industry and is interested in purchasing the JF—17 Thunder aircraft from Pakistan, the Dawn reported. A defence delegation from Egypt would visit defence production facilities in Pakistan to look into the possibility of buying defence-related products, he added. The Minister informed the ambassador that Pakistan was at present selling its traditional weapons to U.S., UK, Germany and some Far Eastern countries. He said Iraq had already signed an agreement with Pakistan for the purchase of 20 Super Mashak while a deal with Turkey for the sale of 52 Super Mashak had almost been finalised."

Source: http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/egypt-keen-to-buy-paks-jf17-thunder-fighter-jet/article7952162.ece

Egyptian rafale with SCALP and MICA

Well,I just wanted to introduce myself as this is my first post.  If I have to go somewhere else to introduce myself, I would be happy to do that.  I was not aware of that and did not see it or missed it in the rules.  If so, I apologize.

I am Egyptian living in the US for close to 3 decades now and consider myself somewhat informed with the current military acquisitions for Egypt.  I have no interest in seeing us go to war with Israel but I would like to see our military stay as close as possible to their advantage, or at least close the gap as much as possible.

Some things I'm surprised not to hear about is the acquisition of several S-300 batteries recently to Egypt besides the two helo aircraft carriers that were supposed to be destined to Russia but that deal falling through because of recent sanctions and Egypt benefiting from that.

We're only at the Rafales?  Time for a little update and if any of the Russian folks on this forum can tell if there is any truth to this article, please do.  I google translated it but we know how good that is but sounds like 46 MiG-29M for Egypt has been agreed and signed for to be delivered between 2016 and 2018.  Honestly, I was truly hoping for the MiG-35 deal to come to fruition because of it's level but if someone more experienced with this model can offer some more insight, that would be great.  Not sure what armament they would provide with these birds since the Rafales came with mostly Infrared BVR missiles, but if there is a package of R-33, that would be tremendous not to mention some of those Archers and having IRST with missiles flying backwards would be a great advantage in replacing many of he aging 21's in our fleet and especially the F-7's.
Cheers!

14.07.2016

/Подтверждается наличие контракта с Египтом на 46 истребителей МиГ-29М
Одноместный фронтовой многоцелевой истребитель МиГ-29М
Источник: Валерий Агеев



Sorry for non-Russian speakers as myself, you'll have to translate the article.  Now for the armament will be nice to know:

Как стало известно из протокола об итогах голосования акционеров АО "Московское машиностроительное предприятие имени Чернышева", в 2015 году предприятием был заключен договор №700020109 от "17" ноября 2015 года ("Контракт 8") на изготовление и поставку в течение 2016-2018 годов авиационных двигателей РД-33МК (укомплектованных агрегатами БАРК) в количестве 92 штук, который заключен с АО "РСК "МиГ" в сумме 8,675 млрд рублей. Тем самым фактически подтверждается заключение известного контракта с Египтом на поставку 46 истребителей МиГ-29М, а также сроки поставки - 2016-2018 годы.

GarryB wrote:If they wanted the MiG-35 then I doubt the delivery time frame would be any time soon...

By buying the MiG-29m now they can get the aircraft into service and as it uses the same airframe as the MiG-29K and the MiG-35 they can adapt it in any direction they like when the newer technology materials become available for export.

The MiG-35 wont carry the R-33, but will likely be compatible with the R-37M, which has rather better performance...

The MiG-29M will be an excellent aircraft for any air force.

Awesome!  Thank you for the valuable information.  It really woud be nice to see them replace the MiG-21's and not sure what they'll end up doing with the Chengdu F-7's.  It seems those Chinese copies are having some major problems and their duties are very important.  Patrolling practically the entire Red Sea coast.

From the Rafales with the MBDA MICA IR and hopefully we'll know about the armament that will accompany the MiG-29's (and with the recent friction between Russia and the US), I think they will provide some serious BVR missiles with them since if the French did it, the Russian most certainly will load them up.  2 squadrons of those great aircraft is quite the acquisition, besides getting the Su-35 of course.

GarryB wrote:The Russians have been working on a wide range of new air to ground ordinance and new air to air weapons as well... it will be interesting to see what they are prepared to export.

Indeed.  Especially with the strained relations between the US and Russia because of the sanctions imposed on it.  It's evident that Putin is not happy about that and it has always been the rule or condition that no BVR missiles are to be provided by the US with all the F-16's with the exception of the Sparrow unless Egypt signs the CISMOA treaty, but they didn't sing it and settled for the sparrow and we all know the Sparrow they have is a semi active radar homing missile which makes it not very efficient since the target needs to be illuminated constantly by either another aircraft or ground crew or a ship.  It's not the typical "lock on, fire and forget" such as the AIM-120 in all it's variants. It also limits the amounts of missiles one jet can lock on to and fire and go home.  Maybe they figured that signing the CISMOA treaty for non-transferable technology would still mean Israel's insistence that Egypt does not receive the AIM-120 would apply because that would change the current balance in favor of Israel by a lot.  But signing that treaty, it should have negated that opposition by Israel since many other countries which don't have peace with Israel and are considered enemies such as Pakistan and Saudi Arabia have some of the latest variants of the AIM-120.  Pakistan has 500 AIM-120C's!  So it baffles me till today that Egypt never signed that and chose to get the 4th largest batch of F-16's without it's most proficient BVR missile and settled for the Sparrow.  

Then after France has recently agreed to provide the MBDA MICA IR (which is one of the most potent BVR missiles) on the Rafales, it makes it even more interesting to see what Russia will provide, especially with the recent tensions I mentioned just to stick it lol.  Quite the anticipation.