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    T-72 ΜΒΤ modernisation and variants

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    Post  GarryB Tue Jan 25, 2022 11:04 pm

    It is also about numbers.

    With no armour anything can hurt you... fragments, bullets etc, but at the other end there is no level of armour that will protect you from anything and once you invent your armour your enemy is going to start to find ways to defeat it so even if you are protected you are likely only safe for a short period of time before they work on a solution.

    The BTR series of vehicles were made fun of because of their light armour, but even their light armour was better than riding in the back of 2 ton trucks... it comes down to value for money.

    They could have gone with tank level protection but that would be too expensive so most would end up walking which means you lose mobility which was a serious problem for the Germans in WWII. It might look like the Germans were a fully mechanised force but the tank forces were mechanised their infantry was not and nor was most of their artillery... which is why they had Stukas... the only artillery they had that could keep up with their tanks.

    The point is that a BTR-60 protected them from small arms fire coming from a distance, it made them very mobile and it had a turret with machine guns the equivalent of a light cannon. On a scale it didn't protect from a whole lot but it was cheap enough for everyone they couldn't put in a BMP to have one so they were actually fully mechanised much faster than the west was. (in significant sized armies obviously.... a small force like the New Zealand Army could be all mechanised easily because there are only 5,000 soldiers...).

    Things like ERA and APS were solutions to the problems of defeating rather heavy weapons without having to resort to super heavy armour, and they were clever solutions that could be applied fairly easily and were effective against the vast majority of weapons tanks will face... RPGs and ATGMs... but not so good for IEDs. But there are other things for those...

    The point is that the advantage of the BTR was not its armour, but the other things it brought.... mobility and fire power and speed, with more protection than they would get from a truck, but at a price rather similar to that of a truck so you could afford to replace the troop transport role of the truck with something that was amphibious and armoured and armed. It was no MRAP but photos of them with missing wheels in Afghanistan show they can take a hit and keep moving...

    In the case of these vehicles even if it just means the enemy see the vehicle and have to take some time to work out where a weak spot might be to launch an attack might mean they don't end up with time for a shot, or they pick a bad place to shoot at in panic.
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    Post  George1 Wed Feb 02, 2022 1:14 pm

    The tactics of conducting oncoming combat and through attacks were improved by the crews of the T-72B3 tanks of the Western Military District during an exercise at the Golovenki training ground near Moscow.


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    Post  Mir Wed Feb 02, 2022 1:59 pm

    The video shows T-80's. Still nice though Smile

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    Post  walle83 Fri Feb 04, 2022 12:18 pm



    Large exercise with land and air power. T-72 with BMP-2 can be seen from the middle of the clip.

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    Post  George1 Mon Feb 14, 2022 12:49 pm

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    Post  andalusia Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:29 am

    I see that Serbian has a variant tank based on the T 72; what do you guys think of it?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-84AS

    Can it stand up to any western tanks and why doesn't Serbian try to export it?
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    Post  lancelot Sat Apr 09, 2022 11:02 am

    You should find more information somewhere on this forum. But Yugoslavia had a T-72 tank license. They used this to make the M-84 tank. However the production of components was spread all over Yugoslavia. After Yugoslavia collapsed the production found itself in separate countries. Which do not have the best relations to put it mildly. So any such production by Serbia would likely need to use a lot of imported Russian components.
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