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T-72 ΜΒΤ modernisation and variants
Interlinked- Posts : 160
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- Post n°476
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Much appreciated.
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iranian T-72 upgrade Karrar
it is likely o T-90SM(or AM) but not exactly T-90
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"Uralvagonzavod": the new version of the T-72 will be the most mass machine in the RF Armed Forces
The tank is already delivered to the troops
MOSCOW, July 28. / TASS /. The new version of the T-72 T-72M with the engine of increased power and enhanced protection is already supplied to the troops and should become the most mass machine in the Russian army. The new tanks were presented to the general public at the parade in Moscow on May 9, TASS told Uralvagonzavod (UVZ).
Earlier, a number of media outlets reported that the industry offered the Ministry of Defense a new project for upgrading the T-72.
"We are talking about an already created tank - T-72M, a limited party purchased the department, the tank was demonstrated at the Victory Parade," - explained in the UVZ.
The corporation added that the main differences between the new version of the T-72B3 - engine capacity of 1130 liters. with., enhanced dynamic protection, the presence of anti-cumulative gratings and updated on-board equipment. Also, the tank received a laser system to account for the curvature of the gun barrel after the shot, which increases the accuracy of target destruction. "It is expected that this tank will be the most massive in the Russian Ground Forces," the UVZ added.
The tank is not produced as a new car, the T-72B3 tanks being upgraded to the "M" level are being modernized, the company said.
The new T-72 is presented in the static exposition of the competition "Tank biathlon", which started on Saturday in the Moscow region of Kubinka, TASS correspondent reports. The tank is designated as "T-72B3 with additional protection". The machine, in particular, can have a double side screen - then on top of a rigid body kit over the tracks with built-in dynamic protection are attached fabric bags with additional blocks. It is equipped with the most modern Russian tank weapon - 2A46M-5.
http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5411564
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Don't understand Russian but I hope this is of use.
Хуевый милитарист
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1d1 day ago
Схема модернізації танка Т-72А до версії Т-72АМТ
Хуевый милитарист
@hu_militarist
1d1 day ago
Схема модернізації танка Т-72А до версії Т-72АМТ
flamming_python- Posts : 9483
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JohninMK wrote:Don't understand Russian but I hope this is of use.
Хуевый милитарист
@hu_militarist
1d1 day ago
Схема модернізації танка Т-72А до версії Т-72АМТ
It's Ukrainian.
Ukrainian modernization of the T-72A series?
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- Post n°481
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T-72B3 Obrazets 2016 w/ a variant of 4S24 soft case ERA attached to the side skirts
...Still has nothing on this type of applique armor:
...Still has nothing on this type of applique armor:
0nillie0- Posts : 239
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So the pouches contain an 4S24 element and....sand? Hard Sand?
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0nillie0 wrote:So the pouches contain an 4S24 element and....sand? Hard Sand?
I don't know, however I think it probably works on the same principle as cage armor. Like cage armor, it's not capable of stopping true ATGM's, 120mm or above, but stop RPG's level munitions. May'be the advantage over cage armor is that it's quicker to replace compared to cage armor, maybe it's something can be replaced on the fly (near battle), and maybe it's not limited to just sand, but like any kind of earth-like debris, such as dirt.
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magnumcromagnon wrote:0nillie0 wrote:So the pouches contain an 4S24 element and....sand? Hard Sand?
I don't know, however I think it probably works on the same principle as cage armor. Like cage armor, it's not capable of stopping true ATGM's, 120mm or above, but stop RPG's level munitions. May'be the advantage over cage armor is that it's quicker to replace compared to cage armor, maybe it's something can be replaced on the fly (near battle), and maybe it's not limited to just sand, but like any kind of earth-like debris, such as dirt.
It looks like it is made for syrian type scenario. Protect the crew from common rpg. Against APFSDS it won't reduce penetration but against shaped charges it shouldn't be bad because it adds like 30cm to when the missiles explode and sand is better than air to contain the power of the blast.
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- Post n°485
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Another 20 T-72B3M in service
https://defence-blog.com/army/russian-tank-formation-near-border-with-ukraine-received-modernized-t-72b3-tanks.html
https://defence-blog.com/army/russian-tank-formation-near-border-with-ukraine-received-modernized-t-72b3-tanks.html
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Looks like the Leo2's weren't so ubermenscht after all...this ones for KiloSnorter:
How the Poles finish the reputation of "Leopard-2"
Tanks that are afraid of dirt, urgently required tents
The German main tank "Leopard 2" claims to be one of the best in the world and, according to its developers and operators, surpasses all Soviet tanks.
But the reputation of the “Leopard” model 2A4 seriously “stained” the events in the north of Syria, where only in the El-Bab area Turkish troops using these machines lost 10 tanks, mainly from hits FGOT and Metis.
In Germany, such large losses were explained by the fact that "Leopard-2" - the last of the tanks of the Cold War era, was intended to fight Soviet tank columns, and not against the rebels. However, the missiles that destroyed them were created at about the same time to fight NATO tanks, including those that were part of the BMP weapons system. That is, the excuses were not very convincing.
However, as it turns out, the defenselessness of these cars in front of the old Soviet missiles is not their only problem.
So it became known that the Polish Armed Forces hastily bought tents ... for the Leopard tanks. Neither awnings nor covers used for transportation, namely tents. On the existence of such, I did not even guess, despite the service in the tank forces.
However, it seems that the Polish tankers themselves, accustomed to Soviet standards, also did not realize that tanks might need tents. And these “limitations of competence” led to the fact that under the conditions of the beginning of winter, frantically, the descendants of four tankers had already bought up tents as much as more than 800 thousand dollars.
And the thing is that in the new station of permanent deployment of the 1st tank brigade, closer to the border of Belarus, there are still no tank boxes. And the “Leopard 2A4 / A5” tanks, to which the brigade was re-equipped in 2017, cannot be in the open air, like “stray dogs”.
Ex-commander of the ground forces, General Waldemar Skrshpchak, told local media that German tanks are equipped with fire control systems that are very sensitive to temperature and humidity changes, and to maintain their combat readiness, boxes with air dryers are necessary.
The general admits that even if the tents are deployed before frost, there are no guarantees that this will ensure the necessary conditions for the maintenance of equipment.
Now the tankers are wondering if they will remain "horseless" and commemorate the former Minister of Defense Matserevich with the "kind" word, in which the reliable T-72 / T-72M1D / T-72M1 and RT-91 were replaced by capricious "Germans" 58 units of armored vehicles that were previously part of the 34th Armored Cavalry Brigade were moved from Zagan, where they had all the necessary infrastructure, to an open field.
https://vpk.name/news/239339_kak_polyaki_dobivayut_reputaciyu_leoparda2.html
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The Kazan Higher Tank Command Red Bannder School has received nine T-72B3 tanks. The combat vehicles have upgraded performances specifications. They were supplied in accordance with the state defence order.
http://eng.mil.ru/en/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12209664@egNews
http://eng.mil.ru/en/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12209664@egNews
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"Andromeda" without nebula: amphibious tanks went online
Armored airborne units are connected to an automated control system
Roman Kretzul Aleksey Ramm
T-72B3 tanks, which the Airborne Forces received last year, have been upgraded. Now the machines are equipped with Andromeda automated control system (ACS) terminals: each tank is built into a single information network and can transmit information about targets and its state to the command. According to experts, this will increase not only the effectiveness, but also the autonomy of the regiments and airborne brigades.
To this day, only the Armata family vehicles in service with the combined-arms units were integrated into the Andromeda system, told Izvestia in the military department. T-72B3 tanks, which entered service with amphibious units last year, are a profound modernization of the Soviet combat vehicle. Tankers appreciate them for their high reliability, maneuverability and fire capabilities, but until recently they acted in the old manner - receiving radio communications commands.
The automated system "Andromeda" covers all levels of control: from an individual soldier or machine to the commander of the Airborne Forces. The subunit commander can set the task online by marking a dot on the electronic map. The subordinate will see on his terminal the direction of movement and data on targets transmitted from intelligence units. The system itself will perform the calculation of coordinates, taking into account the corrections for weather conditions. "Andromeda" covers various assault forces, which allows you to quickly transfer information about the enemy, including artillery, which will receive the coordinates in finished form.
The tank integrated into the system can also transmit in real time information about the crew and its condition: damage, ammunition consumption, fuel remaining. This allows tankers not to be distracted once again on the radio exchange, and the command is to quickly decide to withdraw the vehicle from the battlefield or correct the task for it.
“Andromeda” is a successful ACS, which showed high combat effectiveness, said military expert Vladislav Shurygin. The system can now use all units of the Airborne Forces. Connecting to her tank forces dramatically increases the power of fire support of paratroopers.
“The system makes it possible to significantly reduce decision-making times,” Vladislav Shurygin told Izvestia. “Thanks to her, the speed of strikes and forward strikes increases.” The inclusion of a tank component in the system increases the effectiveness of fire support for paratroopers. The high speed of data processing and transmission allows divisions to be more mobile and, accordingly, less to be under fire.
Full article
https://iz.ru/862910/roman-kretcul-aleksei-ramm/andromeda-bez-tumannostei-desantnye-tanki-pereshli-v-onlain
Armored airborne units are connected to an automated control system
Roman Kretzul Aleksey Ramm
T-72B3 tanks, which the Airborne Forces received last year, have been upgraded. Now the machines are equipped with Andromeda automated control system (ACS) terminals: each tank is built into a single information network and can transmit information about targets and its state to the command. According to experts, this will increase not only the effectiveness, but also the autonomy of the regiments and airborne brigades.
To this day, only the Armata family vehicles in service with the combined-arms units were integrated into the Andromeda system, told Izvestia in the military department. T-72B3 tanks, which entered service with amphibious units last year, are a profound modernization of the Soviet combat vehicle. Tankers appreciate them for their high reliability, maneuverability and fire capabilities, but until recently they acted in the old manner - receiving radio communications commands.
The automated system "Andromeda" covers all levels of control: from an individual soldier or machine to the commander of the Airborne Forces. The subunit commander can set the task online by marking a dot on the electronic map. The subordinate will see on his terminal the direction of movement and data on targets transmitted from intelligence units. The system itself will perform the calculation of coordinates, taking into account the corrections for weather conditions. "Andromeda" covers various assault forces, which allows you to quickly transfer information about the enemy, including artillery, which will receive the coordinates in finished form.
The tank integrated into the system can also transmit in real time information about the crew and its condition: damage, ammunition consumption, fuel remaining. This allows tankers not to be distracted once again on the radio exchange, and the command is to quickly decide to withdraw the vehicle from the battlefield or correct the task for it.
“Andromeda” is a successful ACS, which showed high combat effectiveness, said military expert Vladislav Shurygin. The system can now use all units of the Airborne Forces. Connecting to her tank forces dramatically increases the power of fire support of paratroopers.
“The system makes it possible to significantly reduce decision-making times,” Vladislav Shurygin told Izvestia. “Thanks to her, the speed of strikes and forward strikes increases.” The inclusion of a tank component in the system increases the effectiveness of fire support for paratroopers. The high speed of data processing and transmission allows divisions to be more mobile and, accordingly, less to be under fire.
Full article
https://iz.ru/862910/roman-kretcul-aleksei-ramm/andromeda-bez-tumannostei-desantnye-tanki-pereshli-v-onlain
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How can some rubble stop a molten metal jet travelling at hypersonic speed?magnumcromagnon wrote:0nillie0 wrote:So the pouches contain an 4S24 element and....sand? Hard Sand?
I don't know, however I think it probably works on the same principle as cage armor. Like cage armor, it's not capable of stopping true ATGM's, 120mm or above, but stop RPG's level munitions. May'be the advantage over cage armor is that it's quicker to replace compared to cage armor, maybe it's something can be replaced on the fly (near battle), and maybe it's not limited to just sand, but like any kind of earth-like debris, such as dirt.
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How can some rubble stop a molten metal jet travelling at hypersonic speed?
Well there is a reason sand bags are used to stop rifle bullets instead of solid bricks.
When hit at high speed the sand acts like a solid and slows down the projectile by spreading its impact force as it is pushed aside.
Another aspect is that sand can move so while it will be pushed aside by an impact it will then fall back in to place and be back in place for a second and subsequent hit.
With high temperature plasma beams it would more likely be turned into a glass like solid.
Often such systems use sand or dirt or water because before you get in to the combat zone you leave them empty which makes them very very light, and when you enter the combat area you just quickly fill them up, which improves their performance a little... at the very worst they will make the HEAT warhead explode slightly further away from your base armour which on its own will slightly reduce performance anyway, but it should totally defeat HESH warheads the British like to use, and could be put on top of ERA and normal armour just adding an extra layer... which never hurts to be honest.
It wont be super protection that will protect anything... you can't put it on a 4WD car and think it will protect, but it is another layer of cheap simple protection made up of layers of cheap easy to get material.
I seem to remember photos of T-34s in germany with bedsprings tied on to their upper surfaces to try to prematurely detonate rounds fired at the tanks... normally it doesn't hurt and it might help...
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GarryB wrote:
I seem to remember photos of T-34s in germany with bedsprings tied on to their upper surfaces to try to prematurely detonate rounds fired at the tanks... normally it doesn't hurt and it might help...
Soviet tank crews understood that a heat round will be less dangerous if it is prematurely detonated but the mesh things that bolted on were nott sturdy enough stop the panzerfaust from just going straight through before detonating.
Personally I would just strap a bundle of logs to my tank it would not look pretty but neither would the kraut who tried to panzerfaust me after I was done with him.
These days though why not just get some female manequins, dress them up and strap them to the sides of your tank every retard on the enemy side will be convinced that they are real people by thier media and thus will not fire on you.
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Soviet tank crews understood that a heat round will be less dangerous if it is prematurely detonated but the mesh things that bolted on were nott sturdy enough stop the panzerfaust from just going straight through before detonating.
Some shaped charge warheads have a cone shape with the detonator at the tip, so if the tip pokes between the springs or slats on slat armour sometimes the nose of the missile or rocket gets crushed by the impact without the nose tip detonator being set off which tends to ruin its penetration performance.
With RPG rounds many of them have a pezio electric detonator which generates an electrical charge when crushed to set off the warhead... crushing the nose can short circuit the system and dud the round so it does not explode on impact (only after the rocket motor burns out).
Personally I would just strap a bundle of logs to my tank it would not look pretty but neither would the kraut who tried to panzerfaust me after I was done with him.
Metal cages adds the advantage that you can store kit in the spaces strapped on to the metal... stuff like extra bedding or whatever... or drums of fresh water, and the like...
These days though why not just get some female manequins, dress them up and strap them to the sides of your tank every retard on the enemy side will be convinced that they are real people by thier media and thus will not fire on you.
I doubt they would even notice or take the time to see what it was... they will likely step out with an RPG and fire and then run.
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What is your opinion regarding this video?
Is giving T-72s the bare minimum of upgrades instead of a comprehensive upgrade like the T-72B2 rogatka wise, when these T-72B3s are utterly obsolete when entering service?
Also, is the current K5 ERA the same as the K5 from the 80s?
Is it true that most T-72B3s haven't been equipped with new engines?
Is giving T-72s the bare minimum of upgrades instead of a comprehensive upgrade like the T-72B2 rogatka wise, when these T-72B3s are utterly obsolete when entering service?
Also, is the current K5 ERA the same as the K5 from the 80s?
Is it true that most T-72B3s haven't been equipped with new engines?
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Red effect has some rather ludicrous opinions such as the entire T-72B turret offering only the 450mm of the gun mantlet area or taking the estimates for the abrams armor at face value and then proceeding to compare them directly to Russian measurements conducted to Russian standards without bothering to take the different standards into account.
In short don't trust this moron he is just a slightly less deranged binkov pandering to western viewers.
If you want to know the details of Russian tanks and how they compare to other countries counterparts well you could try asking the Russian government nicely if they will let you go through thier documents. I that is not possible just give the only things you will find on the internet or in books are propaganda articles and deluded opinions.
In short don't trust this moron he is just a slightly less deranged binkov pandering to western viewers.
If you want to know the details of Russian tanks and how they compare to other countries counterparts well you could try asking the Russian government nicely if they will let you go through thier documents. I that is not possible just give the only things you will find on the internet or in books are propaganda articles and deluded opinions.
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Red Effect is mostly right, don't dismiss him simply because he sometimes says slightly wrong stuff.
Essentially, T-72's actual armor hasn't been improved at all since introduction of T-72B in 1985.
T-72B3M does not feature any improvements in actual armor. It only comes with new ERA (Relikt). T-72B3 still used Kontakt-5 so stuff from 1989. Most T-72s in Russian army service are either T-72B or B3, not the newest B3M variant and their protection is not adequate for modern battlefield.
Essentially, T-72's actual armor hasn't been improved at all since introduction of T-72B in 1985.
T-72B3M does not feature any improvements in actual armor. It only comes with new ERA (Relikt). T-72B3 still used Kontakt-5 so stuff from 1989. Most T-72s in Russian army service are either T-72B or B3, not the newest B3M variant and their protection is not adequate for modern battlefield.
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Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Red Effect is mostly right, don't dismiss him simply because he sometimes says slightly wrong stuff.
Essentially, T-72's actual armor hasn't been improved at all since introduction of T-72B in 1985.
T-72B3M does not feature any improvements in actual armor. It only comes with new ERA (Relikt). T-72B3 still used Kontakt-5 so stuff from 1989. Most T-72s in Russian army service are either T-72B or B3, not the newest B3M variant and their protection is not adequate for modern battlefield.
Tell that to Syria which faced heavy atgm strikes all the time. Cheap upgrades ended up provided more than enough adequate protection while Leopards and M1s didn't fare to well
All B3s went an upgrade for engines. B3M has even better engines, so he is wrong in that. Contact V is sufficient as proven in modern combat (T-90 in Syria) while he says is obsolete when it comes out is stupid cause the fact it alone pacts thermal imaging so it really works well for it's atgm ammo at Max range is something Western tanks don't have (atgm but similar thermals).
That is the reason Russian mod is moving to upgrading more T-72s to this new standard. They aren't fucking stupid. Only morons take a YouTube "professional" seriously.
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I didn't say old T-72s with Kontakt-5 are crappy tanks.
They simply aren't effective against other modern tanks since M829A3 and Dm63 have been specifically designed to defeat Kontakt-5
They simply aren't effective against other modern tanks since M829A3 and Dm63 have been specifically designed to defeat Kontakt-5
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Specifically designed to defeat. Now has it? Is there evidence it actually works as intended? What range? Would it be able to defeat it before a T-72B3 Fielding thermal imaging able to strike it from 3km away? No. Unless crew of the T-72B3 are mental morons. And would that M1 survive? Or Leopard 2A4? Probably not.
You see, tank on tank battle is a thing in the past. It may happen but not like previously depicted it would. The inner casings anyway aren't the same as older K5 as these ones are more compact. There also seems to be more passive protection added to the current T-72B3 upgrades.
To say it is obsolete is stupid. Beyond imaginable. All tanks are obsolete then.
It isn't like Russia sat still for ammunition or guidance systems ffs.
You see, tank on tank battle is a thing in the past. It may happen but not like previously depicted it would. The inner casings anyway aren't the same as older K5 as these ones are more compact. There also seems to be more passive protection added to the current T-72B3 upgrades.
To say it is obsolete is stupid. Beyond imaginable. All tanks are obsolete then.
It isn't like Russia sat still for ammunition or guidance systems ffs.
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Walther von Oldenburg wrote:I didn't say old T-72s with Kontakt-5 are crappy tanks.
They simply aren't effective against other modern tanks since M829A3 and Dm63 have been specifically designed to defeat Kontakt-5
If the t-72 can penetrate the modern tank then it is not outdated. Newest APFSDS reach almost 1m of penetration which is something very hard to defend against. Some part of a tank can counter that but most won't. What t-72 needs is keep upgrading its rounds, thermal cameras and FCS.
For a rear or side hit, any round will destroy any tank. Israeli won against better armed arabs just by being smarter and using better tactics.
Russians have also almost a hundred of choppers with atgm to deal with tanks. So if they can destroy 60% of tank formation with chopper which is possible then you don't need best of best of tanks to support your troops.
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We know theyre effective at defeating K5 because the americans captured and tested some in the 90s. Also do you have a source saying that the K5 has been inproved? It seems plausible but it probably is classified.miketheterrible wrote:Specifically designed to defeat. Now has it? Is there evidence it actually works as intended? What range? Would it be able to defeat it before a T-72B3 Fielding thermal imaging able to strike it from 3km away? No. Unless crew of the T-72B3 are mental morons. And would that M1 survive? Or Leopard 2A4? Probably not.
You see, tank on tank battle is a thing in the past. It may happen but not like previously depicted it would. The inner casings anyway aren't the same as older K5 as these ones are more compact. There also seems to be more passive protection added to the current T-72B3 upgrades.
To say it is obsolete is stupid. Beyond imaginable. All tanks are obsolete then.
It isn't like Russia sat still for ammunition or guidance systems ffs.
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