galicije83 wrote:1. Slovenia was 4th in that ETC, and was second behind Germany in target shooting. Fotona FCS is newer but not batter then the old ONE in M-84 or M-84A(B) made in late 80s and earlys 90s. Engeneer Vladimir Ivanovic is my friend he works on M84 from his first day till 1992. After that he works on chinese tanks, he works also in Kuwait on maintenance of Kuwait M-84ABs. Fotona never built batter FCS then Cajevac, and he also work on that FCS in cajevac. He new batter M-84 tank then any Serbian tankmen and officer who for on their maintenance, he offer help 2 years ago Serbian army in maintenance of our m84 and they say that his help isnt needed. Because of that we have only 40 of 212 operative tanks rest are inoperative.
2. Bojan Dimitrijevic wright on Serbina military forum, about T-72 tanks, he also knew them very, very good. They dont have FCS or they have system they call FCS but this system is far far ahead of any systems made in 80s. Its FCS is very good that u cant hit any moving target with speed more then 15km/h. We also see T80U tanks in Greece in 1995 when they tested along side of all western tank, and when he have only 40% hit in target from moving (LEO2A5 have 90%, AMX56 have 86%...) And we all knew that T-80U tank was best tank produced in USSR. Imagine what will happens with T-72B in same test. He will hit target from move less then 20% and u say he have FCS. No mate he hasnt...
3. In Kuwait 1991/92 Vladimir Ivanovic and his team kick ass Abrams M1A1 in similar competition like was in Germany this year. They shoot in target from move from different distance. Our M-84AB have 10 of 10 , abrams have 6 of 10. So Americans were shocked after this competitions between this 2 tanks. So if i lie lies mister Vladimir Ivanovic (i dont think that man lying about anything, because he is a great expert when it comes tanks like M-84, T-72 and Chinese new generation tank in which he also worked.
All new version of T72B3 are cheap version of modernization but this modernization offer more then they have in old one B versions, with batter sights (modern sights) but still lack of modern FCS.....
And one more thin about M-84 and Cajevac. Last year Croatia bought from Cajevac all their FCS, all electronics which was made in Cajevac for their M-84s just for 250 000 EUR . Now they have spare parts for more then 250 tanks, Vladimir Ivanovic first call his general friends from Serbian army and tell them that Cajevac will sell this spare parts with entire FCS and many other electronic for just 250k EUR. But some one in Serbia don't want to buy this spare parts and now we cant do proper maintenance of our M-84 because we luck of spare parts. We took one good tank and then we used parts from him to implant in the broken one. This is very smart thing to do...
And yes FCS is magic thing of any moder tank and he is fusion of ballistic computer, modern sights, modern electronic systems and more....
This year on biathlon our crew wasnt satisfied with ammount of practice ammunition they got, which was 3 shells per tank, and 20 bullets per MG, some other crews had more as they bought their own ammunition, last year they had more ammunition on their disposal. Tank with which they started competition had issues most likely with gyroscope from what i understood, so crew got reserve tank instead which worked normally.
First of all he is not your friend, you met him on some random forum. Vladimir is really not "an engineer", he is a mechanic, good, very good mechanic and nothing more. He likes attention however and has ego big like Cremlin walls, which costed him alot though his life and career as he had issues more than once because of it. Half of the terms he likes to use, he does not have an actual real knowledge of what they mean, he knows what they are however he is not the person that knows the math behind majority of them, he knows how to fix things, he does not know how to "make" things. 99% of things he will reveal to you on third rate forums as "this is highly sensitive, only i know this, and maybe one more guy in Zagreb", is actually written in M84 manuals that you can these days buy online if you are lucky... so.. spare me of those tales, my father had to deal with a guy for 15 years.
Thing is there are not many surviving persons from that era that actually mattered something in M84 project, so he can claim alot of things without anyone there to confirm or say otherwise. My father said many good things about him, however there are many things he claims that are either not or partially true.
Look at him like very good car mechanic that thinks he can build better cars than Mercedes in his garage. Chants of his last 20 years about his "system to prevent tank from taking soil in his gun bore", like its landing of the moon.
Best are naturally his stories about Pakistan or China, God will forgive me i dont remember, about driving tank 40km/h and hitting targets 2000m away that way so 3 shells went though same hole, which i wont even comment as its not worth it.
There was at least hundred men that worked same job as he did, they just never went to forums, my father included. Also he always went to Pakistan, China, India, Iran, Kuwait as part of a team that some company assembled, mostly doing maintenance. He is not "making tanks" he was there due to equipment from Yugoslavia that was installed, it has nothing whatsoever to do with fact "how good he is". Fun fact, majority of his education regarding tanks is thanks to his education in USSR.
Fotona FCS installed on Slovenian tanks actually is superior to ones sold to Croatia, simply as it was..well..cheaper. Fotona anyways these days does not exist, at least not in same shape it existed decade ago.
Now, 1A46 FCS of T80U is actually overall better than one Yugoslavia had on M84s, put aside fact majority of equipment it had slaved to it was ahead, first T80s had balistic computer but not FCS so to say and they from my knowledge were not around by the mid 80s.
Now when its about famous Greece tank competition, it was in 2005/2006 not 1996. and from what i remember only released source for it was some random PDF from Ukrainians with rather random data shortly stating they were not shining in it with their T84. Later on forums "leaked" info how T80U variant had "47% overall accuracy with first shot" which is sort of hard to belive if everything was working properly on it. Also Greece held multiple "tank trials" though last 20 years, some even having Centurion in them.
Also stop confusing T72A, M, M1 and B and then randomly bringing T80 into whole story, its sort of humiliating. There is big difference among their equipment especially in terms of rangefinders, wind sensors (lack of it)...
Also ask yourself, on which T72 tanks did our dear Vladimir work, chance is that he never saw T72B in his life, as you should be aware T72Ms were delivered to Yugoslavia, whos balistic computer requires some manual labor. Same goes for India, Iran... everywhere he worked he was working with T55, T62, T72M, T72M1... you anyways can ask him
I have no plans to continue this pointless discussion anyways, i just decided to react to false information someone here tried to sell as a fact.