Sino-Indian border dispute

With an economy 1/4th the size of China there is not much that India can offer to Russia. India can be held responsible for being an economic underachiever - a country that steadfastly refuses to develop but not for messing its relations with Russia.

It is not about buying Russias love and attention... India has enormous potential and the US sees that... that is why they are trying to separate you from Russia and China (BRICS) and get you to escalate mindless hostilities with China so you weaken each other the way they broke the EU and tried to damage Russia very recently.

In a sense Russia probably didn't have much of a future with the EU because that relationship was never going to change to equals... there was never going to be any respect for Russia in those relationships.

Would say the same regarding India and Australia and the US and the UK... I mean look at the UKs history of doing shit to India and even America and also China but India wants to be on their team against China???

Britain didn't fix your problems or make you prosperous because that was never their intention and the US wont either.

The idea behind BRICS is helping each other develop and grow and not hold each other back.

The west would say that is not playing the game... screw the west.

Now it is up to India to try and negotiate with Russia for better weapons and countering those S-400's. Along with that, India needs to place the systems near the Chinese border, to attempt to force China to negotiations.

And if India moved a few ground units to a new location on the border with China... what would China do?

Getting better weapons from Russia or anywhere is not the solution because that is just escalation and China has the money to massively out capacity anyone... right now they are building more ships a year than the Royal Navy has in its entire fleet... and we can't be sure they are building them at full capacity yet either...

Buying new shiny weapons to put on the border only because China put some S-400s there would be stupid and short sighted.

If India wants to talk about the situation they should approach China and talk about it... actually be open and honest... I am sure they will appreciate it... if you think they are not being honest and open with you then talk about that... don't just assume and listen to the chinese whispers coming from the west to poison your mind against the Chinese.

They are your neighbours and are not going anywhere... even afull scale nuclear war would not kill all the Chinese or Indian people so you are going to remain neighbours for the forseeable future.

The UK and US and Australia can piss off home if things get to bloody or too radioactive... and don't fool yourself... they will.

China has very little to offer Russia besides general goods and used semiconductors or ones from banned companies as is.

China is a huge market for Russian clean green food exports with no GMOs and steriods and other BS the US uses... no wonder their kids don't know what gender they are... Equally China is a good market for Russian gas and oil and coal and other materials... they tend to want to make stuff themselves, but that might be OK for a few things anyway.

India is also a huge market for food and also to sell all sorts of other products... a lot of potential trade is ignored and not tried because there has been no history of it in the past.

Russia tended to look to the EU and US when there are other options.

China has enormous experience with electric and high speed trains but Russia was looking to Germany for projects in Russia... well now they have to go with China and that is a very good thing for both countries.

China has an enormous deficit of women... lots of Indian women....

One of the reasons the west likes to deal with dictatorships is because of their stabiility... once you bribe them and get them on side you don't have to bribe them or threaten them again come election time...

That is until the dictator is wise to their games and cannot be bought or controlled... that includes democratically elected dictators like Putin and Chavez and Morales and Assad and Gaddafi, but also Saddam and other real dictators.

I frankly find India much safer to trust than China. I dont see the provocations seen by India as I do by China. If I am wrong I am open to correction.

Russia expects them both to treat Russia with respect and Russia in turn will treat them with respect and wont piss on their shoes and tell them it is raining.

Normal countries don't provoke other countries and if their actions upset a neighbour they talk to them about it to sort things out... they don't escalate the situation... that is just stupid... that is what you do with an enemy you can't talk with.

China can be Indias enemy if India wants that and India can be Chinas enemy if China wants that, and that is easy but also very expensive and very dangeous... the US wants that... which tells you it is good for the US and bad for China and India.

How long before some Washington thinktank comes up with the brilliant realisation that the US LCS ships that are so useless they have already started scrapping them, would be ideal for India to build up a fleet quickly to contain China.

They can remove anything of value or interest from the ships and then sell them to India for top dollar and the super boats they were promised to be... but clearly are not... they can even use the old sales material to sell it.

As an American you probably see China as being more of a threat with likely rather more nukes and missiles than India has, but honestly I would say they mainly think that because with elections in India they get lots of chances all the time to pervert elections and get western friendly people into important positions within the structures of power in India... no such chances exist in China.

The west uses poor countries for cheap labour to make their stuff, but eventually they have to move on because wages and workers rights improve over time... the west has been doing this since WWII... Japan and West Germany were essentially slave labour just after the war and worked in factories built by the west which gave them power and control... how could they complain wages were not high enough?

But over time wages did improve so production was moved to other places while production in West Germany and Japan switched from cheap crap to quality... obviously things like optics and precision machinery remained intact and couldn't be brought in from outside those two countries because they had better standard stuff than the west did...

Countries like Singapore and Malaysia and most other Asian countries have been used for cheap labour and have built their societies around that investment, and have fared differently depending on how they took advantage at the time.

The Chinese government clearly made sensible moves that the country has massively benefitted from and therefore the people have benefitted as well, so even when the west pulls everything out of China they wont collapse or be seriously damaged, they have the momentum to keep growing.

I rather suspect India is sucking up to the US in particular because it wants to tread the same path China has just walked and don't want the west to go to Bangledesh instead... I can understand that of course, but if you look at Russias development over the last 20 years the west invested only in resources and energy that would make them a lot of money, so now they are leaving it will likely hurt the west more than it hurts Russia... Russia just needs to invest in the right things moving forward to prevent damage from the split with the west, but they have China and India and the rest of the world to work with... as does China and India... the west is not the only solution to a good life any more and that is why they are shitting themselves... they no longer control the path to a comfortable first world life...

Indians are great people. But I have also met so many Chinese people too who are also very great people and open to talking about any kind of issue and willing to work with you. Both have a lot in common but both hate each other.

There was a lot of hostility in Russia towards China too... and now they realise they are a hell of a lot more reliable and trustworthy than the Europeans and the west... They are not perfect, but they are not sending weapons to a war zone specifically to murder Russians and Russian soldiers... and nor is India.

Always got the feeling that China was a neighbour to Russia, but India was just a good customer for which they didn't otherwise know a lot about.

I suspect the deluge of western culture into Russia sidelined Russians learning about Chinese and Indian culture... I hope that changes, because most western culture and history is seriously edited by the west and most of it is easy to confirm bullshit... I mean right now Stalin was as bad as Hitler was in WWII in western history classes... and he was the worst Russian after Putin... despite being Georgian.

India can be a wonderful country, but they need to come to terms with themselves and see that the future of India isn't outside of India but internally.

Whether they let the US destroy them in a pointless arms race and possibly conflict with China, or wake up to what is going on before it is too late and trillions are wasted, their future is very promising... but like the EU... if they listen to the *Chinese whispers* from the US they will end up screwing themselves over and only the US will benefit from the chaos that ensues.

* note Chinese whispers is a western game where you get a ring of people preferably a large number like a classroom of kids and one person makes up a message and whispers it to the person on one side of them... the message is passed around the circle till it comes to the person who sent it who preferably has it written down. The message the person gets back is compared with the message sent.

The game has many other names like Whisper down the lane or Grapevine... in this context I thought the Chinese whispers name was ironic considering it is in fact the US hyping up what China does or does not say and does or does not do to India to provoke and conflict and hostility for the benefit of the US.

I notice online it mentions Chinese whispers is considered as racist by some, which is BS... there are a lot of Chinese New Zealanders, but most of the children spoke English anyway... often the smartest kids in school were Chinese here.

It isn't economics, it isn't its military. It is its social structure that is rotten to the core and needs to be fixed. Once it is fixed, they will be feared and also viewed favorably so long as it doesnt go to their heads. At that point, it would be in India's interest to not look for allies and joining big clubs, but to be a central roll for others to join. Until then, it really cannot be taken seriously.

The concept regarding BRICS is about independence of each member and a group of countries with no leader or agenda except free trade and helping each other country to develop and grow and settle differences.

There is no top dog and no leading country forcing other countries to support them or supply troops for this or that conflict.

For a country wanting to develop and grow the resources and technology and knowhow of Russia and China would be valuable and as they grow and develop they can share with other countries around them.

Ironic because you would think from the propaganda bullshit you get from the US that that is what they try to do but they do the opposite and shown clearly with how they treat the EU and Russia and China and any other region that shows independence... it crushes and turns them into zombie drones like the EU or it excommunicates them like Russia and next China.

You are so flexible my friend... the US backs and supports Pakistan against India and the US is fine... it is Pakistan that are the bad guys, and now the you say the US backs China against India... and you blame China for that.... because obviously it could never be Americas fault because they do everything they can to prevent war...

But hang on... is India not part of that American group of countries trying to start a war with China...

It seems only some countries are guilty of everything and one country is guilty of nothing... how could that be possible... but the amazing thing is that in a way it is probably true but you got the countries arse about... it is the US that is guilty of everything and China that is being blamed.

We see where American bullshit is promoted and followed to the letter you end up with the Ukraine... both the broken and fucked up country that it became and the conflict that is just hiding the damage the US and EU were already doing to it behind the scenes... and they openly say that they want to do the same thing in Asia to save Taiwan from China the way they saved the Ukraine from Russia.

If you are really that stupid then I am sorry for you, but don't think we are going to believe the China is bad and aggressive for keeping its country still as HATO or US based gradually got closer and closer to them.

It was US funded bio weapons labs in China that started COVID... it seems the US has Bio Weapons labs outside of the US because the US has laws that stop them doing dangerous experiments and there is a deniability in foreign labs that US government agencies like... but clearly not worrying about the risks because it is all the way over in China really didn't work out for them this time around... wonder what wonderful exciting new diseases we will be getting from the hundreds of other bio weapons labs the US has in other countries?

But obviously it is China that is the bad guy...  

More importantly they have hundreds of bio weapon labs around the world and their response to an epidemic they created themselves was terrible... and the Russians got a vaccine working before they did... so not only are they not getting any value for money for these bio weapon labs, but those labs are actually creating more danger to the world that the results of their work to help in such situations... man... American taxpayers are fucking idiots... they take it up the arse so their MIC can get rich, and then when their funded illegal labs **** up the result is a world pandemic that these bio weapons labs are supposed to prepare the US for to reduce the impact and instead it created the very thing it was supposed to deal with... all paid for by American idiots.

And they wanted to blame the Chinese for that too... Bastards.

India and China make progress on border talks – media, 09.26.2024.

The two nuclear powers clashed along their Himalayan frontier in 2020 and have been negotiating ever since.

India and China have made “significant progress” on resolving issues along their border in eastern Ladakh, the Indian Express newspaper reported on Thursday. The region has been the focal point of military tension between the two neighbors since a deadly standoff in 2020.

Ties between the two Asian powers nosedived after the clash between their troops in the remote Himalayan region four years ago resulted in casualties on both sides. More than 30 rounds of high-level diplomatic and military talks have been held in the ensuing years.

Headway was reportedly made at the 31st Working Mechanism for Consultation & Coordination on India-China Border Affairs (WMCC) talks held on August 29 in Beijing. Indian troops could soon regain access to certain patrol points along the contested border previously blocked by Chinese forces, or to buffer zones set up during disengagement efforts, sources told the newspaper.

New Delhi and Beijing are exploring a potential solution based on their positions before April 2020 along the Line of Actual Control (LAC), a 3,500-km (around 2,100-mile) poorly defined border in the Himalayas. Ways to address issues related to Arunachal Pradesh, a disputed area in the eastern sector of the border, are also being explored, the report noted.

In March, Beijing “strongly deplored” Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s visit to Arunachal Pradesh, during which he inaugurated a tunnel that would hasten the deployment of Indian soldiers to the border area. A month later, New Delhi reacted angrily to China’s attempts to rename 11 places in Arunachal Pradesh, saying the state would always be an “integral and inalienable part of India.”

Officials have indicated that the 22nd round of Corps Commander-level talks will soon follow to iron out the specifics of the deployment of troops on either side, including a timeline for actions based on mutual agreements. The 2020 standoff has left over 50,000 troops from each side deployed along the LAC in eastern Ladakh, according to Indian media.

Despite various disengagement efforts, both sides have maintained a heightened state of alert, with troops and weaponry systems stationed 4,000 meters (over 13,000ft) above sea level, in extreme conditions.

Both Beijing and New Delhi have expressed willingness to work together to iron out their differences. Notably, the report came just hours after Indian Foreign Minister Subrahmanyam Jaishankar, speaking at an event in New York, said that the countries were able to “sort out much of the disengagement, the friction points, but some of the patrolling issues need to be resolved.”

Jaishankar has previously asserted that New Delhi has resolved to improve ties with China during Modi’s third term as prime minister.

https://www.rt.com/india/604726-india-and-china-make-progress/