Sino-Indian border dispute

Tsavo Lion wrote:

Yes, this is true. China so far has amassed 5000 troops at the border with India. There is an ongoing standoff.

(1)PLA has 200,000 troops in Tibet;

(2)extraordinary range of cruise missiles; and

(3)offensive cyber warfare capabilities to dominate electromagnetic spectrum & disrupt India's communications;

Frankly there are not too many ways in which India can retaliate. India's cyber offensive capability is zilch.

Sujoy wrote:

Tsavo Lion wrote:

Yes, this is true. China so far has amassed 5000 troops at the border with India. There is an ongoing standoff.

(1)PLA has 200,000 troops in Tibet;

(2)extraordinary range of cruise missiles; and

(3)offensive cyber warfare capabilities to dominate electromagnetic spectrum & disrupt India's communications;

Frankly there are not too many ways in which India can retaliate. India's cyber offensive capability is zilch.

"(3)" Cyber warfare is done through the internet. Don't you mean electronic warfare?

magnumcromagnon wrote:"(3)" Cyber warfare is done through the internet. Don't you mean electronic warfare?

I'm sorry. Meant to say massive Chinese Cyber Attack on India's network - both military and civilian. Something like the Stuxnet attack on Iran but 10x larger

View from Moscow: https://vz.ru/world/2020/6/25/1045947.print.html

Modi has chosen discretion on China because India’s real failure is in defence capabilities

https://theprint.in/opinion/modi-has-chosen-discretion-on-china-because-indias-real-failure-is-in-defence-capabilities/458492/

The author explains why India hardly has any military option against China.

That's also why her alliances with US, Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam & Australia won't be of much help. Russia won't risk damaging her relations with China by taking India's side either. So India better join them or be pushed aside & bypassed.

India is building up forces in Kashmir: https://www.ng.ru/news/685481.html?print=Y

https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2020/07/30/india-uses-arrival-of-new-fighter-jets-to-warn-china.html



https://in.news.yahoo.com/chinas-celebrated-fighter-jet-toothless-060446107.html

https://www.ng.ru/world/2020-08-17/1_7939_tibet.html?print=Y

In time, after not getting much from her alli/reliance with the US, India will get disillusioned & get behind a negotiating table with China.

https://youtu.be/u99J9EQfzm8?t=561

This seems to be tinder box. It puts Russia in a very awkward position. If a war breaks out, which side do they take? Could we see AS400s shooting down SU-35s?

They would probably remain mostly neutral, but with a slight bias in favor of China.

Cooperation with China is of strategic importance, India is just an annoying customer that complains too mutch and in addition to that has a tendency to lean west, hardly a useful ally.

Regardless of what happens (short of a nuclear exchange) India will likely still buy Russian arms as western examples are too shitty and too expensive.

Russia traditonally has taken neutral to pro-indian side

Hard to say. On one hand India has good potential for weapons sales, China much less. On the other China has HUGE potential for energy and resource sales as well as food exports.

I doubt that these small mountainous regions, have had a firm geographical attachment to either China or India or anyone else. So the dispute can not be resolved by reference to any historical map. Nor have these regions been subject to recent war, to settle the border. It is all a grey area.

I suppose China wants to open route to Pakistan and ME region by land route. And India is anxious of growing power of Pakistan. America tried to stop Iran pipeline to India, through Pakistan. And I think Pakistan agreed, for a while. Pakistan also not allow access by India to Afghanistan, for trade. India then using Iranian port for access to central Asia.

I think all sides can agree to allow access for trade. Leaving aside shipments of military hardware. This will allow for industrial and economic development of all regional countries. While not upsetting the immediate balance of power.

So everybody goes to any place they want. Using roads and rail and planes. Crossing borders. No hindrance. As long as it is civilian goods. Absolutely no problems. For transit of military goods, if there are disputes, then use international waters.....

GarryB wrote:Russia shouldn't choose... that is what the US wants... Russia should take active steps to ensure there is no conflict between India and China and kick away all the British and Americans whispering in ears... have you heard the term Chinese whispers... totally ironic in this case...

A war with China would devastate India and a war with India would be terrible for China too.

Russia would not benefit either.

The US and the west would love it... divide and conquer... damage the IC in BRICS... when the IC is a quarter of the worlds population...

I think only Putin has the influence and credibility to deal with this. He has very close relationships with both Modi and Xi, however Modi is a complete idiot and had caused massive damage to the Indian economy with a series of major missteps. A war or crisis with China would distract from his general lack of competence.

The-thing-next-door wrote:Cooperation with China is of strategic importance, India is just an annoying customer that complains too mutch and in addition to that has a tendency to lean west, hardly a useful ally.

That's the correct assessment. Kremlin should ideally help China in wiping out this failed state of India. It's existence or lack of it makes no difference.

China is a neighbor, a major customer of Russian raw materials and bilateral trade between Russia and China is worth hundreds of billions of dollars.

India OTOH with a massive population of 1.3 billion puts huge pressure on scarce natural resources the world over. Hindus have a reputation of entering Russia and Western countries illegally and then settling down there forever.

nomadski wrote:I suppose China wants to open route to Pakistan and ME region by land route. And India is anxious of growing power of Pakistan. America tried to stop Iran pipeline to India, through Pakistan. And I think Pakistan agreed, for a while. Pakistan also not allow access by India to Afghanistan, for trade. India then using Iranian port for access to central Asia.

In this ongoing dispute Iran should side with the China-Pakistan alliance.

Iran has a lot to gain from this alliance. India is a failed state with a dubious history.

mnztr wrote: Modi is a complete idiot and had caused massive damage to the Indian economy with a series of major missteps. A war or crisis with China would distract from his general lack of competence.

Not an idiot, but like most Indian PMs before him he has been created by Israel, US and Saudi Arabia. He follows their instructions.

At the same time Anglo Saxon states and Israel are also encouraging China to wipe out India for good. China should seize the initiative and use nuclear weapons against India.

India's nuclear arsenal is 1/10th the size of China's with no second strike capability.

India then using Iranian port for access to central Asia.

Iran-China recent investment/mil. coop. agreement nipped the Indian port in Iran in the bud. 
The Broken Promise of Chabahar
https://www.wionews.com/india-news/as-china-eyes-multi-billion-dollar-iran-deal-indias-chabahar-port-may-lose-relevance-313054

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How Russia can help ease tensions in the Himalayas

https://iz.ru/1057954/kseniia-loginova/gimalaiskii-otvet-indiia-i-kitai-poprobuiut-pomiritsia-v-moskve

The mutual interests of Asian largest economies, is paramount. Linking Asia together. Two wrongs don't make a right. India should be given opportunity to join the Euro - Asian economies. Ports and roads should be left open for trade. Nobody should put pressure on anyone else. To choke them economically. The problem is to overcome the ultra - nationalist and expansionist elements. Allow for peaceful use of territories, for civilian trade. The solution is to open more doors. Even if others close theirs.

China is deploying Type-928D assault boats in Pangong lake. It is equipped with a 12.7mm machine gun (in RWS) & two 7.62mm MGs. PangongTso just happens to be the highest marine battleground on Earth.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2020/09/china-strengthens-inland-navy-on-indian-border/

India probably will have to deploy BMPs to counter these assault boats. BMPs swimming in the water can transport 8men each & carry a 30mm gun that can rip these boats apart.

The UK and the USA are laughing as they bait China and India against each other. Divide and conquer, the easiest game ever.

Sino-Indian border dispute

Pics of the Lake

A serving Indian AirForce explains how a Chinese assault on India will take shape

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/china-war-plan-takes-leaf-out-of-russian-playbook/story-LovIlFVsyTTK2ChWHybUMK.html

He says, a Chinese offensive is likely to involve troops moving forward under a barrage of artillery and rocket fire, with surface-to-air missile batteries giving protection to their weapon systems from IAF attacks with troops based in depth areas (in this case, Hotan airbase 320km from the Line of Actual Control) providing the air-defence cover.