Russian military operation in Ukraine #64

Whatever the outcome of talks with Trump, just having a dialog between the US and Russia is a positive step. Hopefully its more then "F U"...nooo "FFFF UUUUUU" nooo "F UUU AND YOUR WIFE" lol Like wrote:

For Russia, there is nothing positive in any dialogue with the US. It is the biggest and most hypocritical enemy of Russia, which is constantly scheming how to destroy them or harm them as much as possible.

Namely it can threaten to start attacking US targets in turn. wrote:

No one will fall for this anymore. There have already been many ATACMS attacks. The West knows that Putin will not attack NATO. It is easy to continue the war and bring Ukraine to capitulation.

American senators bitching and whinging about AMD and others "transferring core US technology" to Russia is over the top chauvinist retard cope.

What has made you so much excited?
They are doing just the same shit one would expect from a brainwashed murican idiot.
You have our local pet SS as a living example.
There is only one thing sure: the endlessness of murican arrogance and delusion.
This guy is seriously crazy, arrogant, and deluded enough to yap about murican rockets being surely better than anything the Koreans can build.
Imagine that.
Having a nuclear arsenal FIVE DECADES old and proves miserable results when rare checks are carried.
Failing to present even a working prototype of a hypersonic weapon, and showing some fukin SAM missiles as "hypersonic". Almost a decade after such a weapon was presented by Russia, and half a decade after such a weapon was presented by China, Korea and Iran...
In the third decade of XXI century, AShM that will operate in wolfpacks, sharing data and assigning targets to the individual missiles of a salvo, with subsonic missiles is being presented as a t technological marvel.
A thing that was a standard feature of Soviet missiles SIX DECADES OLD, but at Mach2-5 speed...
Lacking a serious long-range AAM, they are desperate enough to hang a naval SAM with duct tape, pretending to have a mature solution.
In a third decade of XXI century, using archaic Harpoon missiles as a backbone of naval weapons - it does not even require further comment.

The sole thing they can do is video games where they will put a nonexistent weapon on their ships, nonexisting missiles on their planes, and carry naval campaigns in front of monitors.
After downgrading the opforce weapon parameters to get it even more pleasurable
This is a sort of society we are dealing with.

Is there a bottom of the being dumb level you expect by their representatives, seriously?

And systems like the Oreshnik are not demonstrated just for the hell of it. It's a very big stick. wrote:

Russia has about 500 ICBMs and SLBMs and thousands of ALCMs, hypersonic missiles and that didn't scare the US. But Oreshnik will scare them. How on earth? And now every missile attack on Ukraine is a big retaliation? Where are those attacks on decision centers in Ukraine etc.?

lol the same senators that think those drones are Iranian or better yet aliens?    

American officials are the least qualified to make comments on any of that - lacking a technical base and relying on misinformation like Kellogg

It’s the blind leading the blind

Check out the American morons coping on blowing an F18 out of the sky

They really compare it to Russia

As if they are fighting swarms of storm shadows, ATACMS, HIMARS, drones in a environment with jamming and ISR

And not some sand people with asymmetric weapons - it’s pretty laughable , but you will find the same bad cope on western OSINT channels or other propaganda rags like Task and Purpose

When America was in anything close to a near peer conflict they blew many of their own planes and helicopters out of the sky , and they lost a destroyer to a RHIB which was loaded with explosives

So they would do far worse than Russia

Check out the Israelis flagging each other in CQC , the west and its allies are in no way prepared for a near peer conflict - demonstrating incompetence in a low intense environment like Yemen/Iraq/Gaza

There was a beautiful recording from yesterday I believe.
Showing two Patriot or David'S Sling interceprors pursuing YEMENIAN ballistic missile.
None hit, and the missile just hit the.
It was one piece only, made with long outdated technology, targeting a small area with the heaviest saturation of the best AD than the west owns.
It still hit.

Yet we have a bunch of idiots who really go on high, when the Russkie AD misses a few out of dozens of drones or missiles, while defending a 1500km long perimeter.

More realistically, we might see European contingent in Ukraine.

And who will form it?
The sole army in Europe that has any sort of numbers is the Polish one, with 215k size - of it only 140k are contract soldiers. It is the third size army in the whole of NATO, and the biggest one in Europe.
Micron was just offered to blow a frog while trying to push Warsaw to do something stupid.
Bundeswehr lacks both numbers and equipment, after being ruled for years by Mrs. von der Luegen it's shape is miserable.
French and UK armies will fit one football stadium altogether.
Czechs, Slovaks, Croats, Hungarians, Bulgars - none will join this sort of extravaganza. The same applies to Italians, which has been already formally declared.
Pribalts can send two platoons of hookers and a military band that will play at orgies - which would be the biggest contribution indeed.
Maybe Spain will provide a few bulls and a toreador to make this circus running.

And who will form it? The sole army in Europe that has any sort of numbers is the Polish one, with 215k size - of it only 140k are contract soldiers. It is the third size army in the whole of NATO, and the biggest one in Europe. Micron was just offered to blow a frog while trying to push Warsaw to do something stupid. wrote:

Turkey won't go for it either and it's the second largest army in NATO. There's also the US but the question is what kind of contingent they could send. Their army isn't that big either, something like 400K and they have to cover hundreds of bases etc.

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Hell there are cases where the Chinese knock off actually works better than the name brand product it ripped off.

I replied:

"The F-35 and J-35 is a good example... "

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No, it is not. You think the F-35 is bad, but that J-35 doesn't even have a proper engine. You guys at your age should never be fooled by Chinese military fanboys. You think Americans are ignorant and arrogant, try those Chinese nationalists and racists who represent the majority of Chines population...

To be clear the F-35 is rubbish... it was supposed to be the cheap mass produced super plane that everyone bought so support and maintenance would become super cheap because everyone used it and it replaced everything. It never got anywhere near reasonably priced and was always horribly expensive is is now only getting worse now that the support system they were devising to make it cheap to support has been cancelled with no replacement because it is too complex a problem.

I am not saying the J-35 is amazing, but I am saying it is better than the F-35.... part of the problem for the F-35 was the fact that its huge powerful bulky engine is 25 million dollars on its own. These Chinese engines will be nothing like that price and the airframe itself will not be the 75 plus million the airframe of the F-35 costs to buy. You can also be certain its maintenance costs wont be anything like the F-35 either.

I am not saying the J-35 is a great plane, I am saying the J-35 is not as terrible as the F-35 even if it is not as stealthy or not as fast and cannot carry as much ordinance... the fact that it is not gold plated US MIC shit makes it a better plane.

According to their calculations, "90% of the costs of aid to Ukraine remains in the United States and creates thousands of jobs; the conflict in Ukraine has given new life to NATO and can relieve the economic burden (in its sole content) from the United States; Russian military power could be greatly degraded without the participation of a single American soldier."

Except US soldiers have been killed and the stocks of weapons and ammo for those US soldiers are being sent to Europe and consumed pretty rapidly.

As for Trump's firm and sworn promises to end the conflict in Ukraine in 24 hours, he will have no problems with this at all: he will easily and simply refuse any words, as has happened many times before.

So what... Kiev is losing and the only way to help them is sending men to fight for them... and that is not going to happen.

Peace can only be achieved by ourselves and, as has always been the case, alone. And the only way to peace is through a complete, final and irrevocable victory, because any half-hearted agreements are guaranteed to lead to a new and, most likely, larger and bloodier war.

Russia is going to defeat Kiev on the battlefield... whether trump is in office or not.

No US government could be trusted with any peace agreement anyway, and no EU country could be trusted either.

also the US can produce much better missiles on its own acting like NK has some edge we don't have is insane

They are IRBMs and Russia and the US have not been making any for the last 40 odd years. Russia has shown Hazelnut, but the US hasn't revealed anything they are currently working on...

I remember 2015 and the Minsk agreement. Everyone was aware that the West would not abide by the agreement, except Putin.

So I guess we can go back to your posts from that time and read where you tell everyone that it is a trap and that the west can't be trusted... honestly I can't remember reading them from you actually... perhaps you can dig them out and show us?

The sapper shovel used in hand-to-hand combat is essentially an improvised battle axe (chopping branches and small trees is one of the regular purposes). Given its length and weight, a sapper's shovel is a much more dangerous weapon than a standard bayonet knife.

It gives you better reach in hand to hand combat than a knife and is easier to learn to throw accurately too... and is a practical tool for a range of jobs too.

Russia has about 500 ICBMs and SLBMs and thousands of ALCMs, hypersonic missiles and that didn't scare the US. But Oreshnik will scare them. How on earth? Very Happy And now every missile attack on Ukraine is a big retaliation? Where are those attacks on decision centers in Ukraine etc.?

Russias nukes can't be used without committing suicide. Hazelnut, on the other hand has now been used.

Every time they use it of course from now on the west will strive to gather as much information about it as they possibly can so excessive use would be counter productive... much like Kievs use of ATACMS and Storm Shadows and Scalp missiles and Excalibr... which gave the Russians the opportunity to examine them and learn how they are used and how they functions to find weak points so they can be defeated more effectively.

Excalibr is no longer even used any more because it was rendered useless.

Arkanghelsk, don't underestimate enemy.

Agree, but don't ignore their weak points too because that can be exploited as well.

They don't learn lessons well and hide behind their technology thinking the next big thing will save them... till it turns out to be expensive rubbish.

Turkey won't go for it either and it's the second largest army in NATO. There's also the US but the question is what kind of contingent they could send. Their army isn't that big either, something like 400K and they have to cover hundreds of bases etc.

Biden wont send US troops, Trump is not going to either... any HATO troops would be too vulnerable and too easy to target... especially with cluster warheads... weapons like Iskander would be devastating to large bodies of enemy troops and an FAB-3000 is going to mess up any formation...

To be clear the F-35 is rubbish...

Calling it rubbish is a bridge too far in my opinion.
But it definitely doesn't fit the original goals at any level - which can be transferred to a general project failure.

Presidential elections are a month ahead, they will stage some shit.

Meanwhile, peaceful Trump has stated that Greenland should be under complete US control. Interesting times are coming...

And Panama Canal, don't forget that one
In short, everything that he finds useful - should be murican.
Moon and Mars to follow