Russian military operation in Ukraine #64
Hole- Posts : 11233
Points : 11211
Join date : 2018-03-24
Age : 48
Location : Scholzistan
GarryB, xeno, d_taddei2, Big_Gazza, kvs, PapaDragon, LMFS and like this post
Big_Gazza- Posts : 5040
Points : 5030
Join date : 2014-08-25
Location : Melbourne, Australia
GarryB, franco, d_taddei2, kvs, PapaDragon, LMFS, Mir and jon_deluxe like this post
Odin of Ossetia- Posts : 972
Points : 1061
Join date : 2015-07-03
"Krasnaya Rus was centred on Przemyśl (now Poland) and Belz (now Ukraine) and it has included major cities such as: Chełm, Zamość, Rzeszów..."
The Red Rus you mentioned was never originally anywhere in Poland, as the original Red Rus was the Trans-Carpathian Rus and a chunk of land directly to the north of it.
https://asaland.proboards.com/thread/278/transcarpathian-rus-demands-independence
Taking by force the eastern part of the Lendzian tribal land for the first time in 981 does not make it any sort of "original Rus territory."
http://tenetetraditiones.blogspot.com/2021/10/polska-piastowska-vs-jagiellonska.html
Chelm Lubelski, Hrubieszow, Zamosc, Przemysl is original territory of the Western Slavic proto-Polish Lendzians.
There was nothing Ruthenian about this land.
One of a Number of Proto-Polish Tribes Mentioned by the Bavarian Geographer Already in 843 A.D.
GarryB- Posts : 41024
Points : 41526
Join date : 2010-03-30
Location : New Zealand
Claiming histories of Poland and Ukraine that predate that are ridiculous... like claiming London is a country and its history goes back thousands of years too... but not as a country...
The-thing-next-door likes this post
caveat emptor- Posts : 2199
Points : 2201
Join date : 2022-02-02
Location : Murrica
PapaDragon and owais.usmani like this post
Kiko- Posts : 4093
Points : 4171
Join date : 2020-11-11
Age : 76
Location : Brasilia
A few days ago, when Orthodox Russians celebrated Christmas, the American think tank Council of Foreign Relations (CFR), together with the Carnegie Endowment*, published a report that draws a meaningful line under the results and prospects of the West’s participation in the conflict in Ukraine.
This line is more like a long, fat minus: "There is an understanding that Ukraine is losing the war with Russia ... The goals that included the complete liberation of the occupied territories are no longer realistic. NATO allies have made it clear that they are not ready to accept Ukraine into the alliance... Now the main (and only) topic for discussion is ending the war on terms that will not allow Russia to achieve a complete victory."
No more, no less.
It is obvious that the new emperor of the West, Trump, who seems to want to quickly stop the “terrible losses on both sides” and offer Russia a new “big deal,” in fact, as usual, wants to squeeze the maximum out of the situation and, in a friendly tango, twist Putin’s arms on the sly – and here everything can come in handy, even a half-dead khaki-coloured jackal.
One of the negotiating levers was obligingly placed in Trump's folder by none other than Joe Biden : on January 10, the United States imposed another package of sanctions aimed at Russia's oil and gas sector - Western analysts consider it "one of the toughest." At the same time, Russia's best future friend Trump did not condemn this obvious escalation with a single word. Moreover, a source close to the future administration, on condition of anonymity, reported that the new sanctions provide the Trump administration "a favorable opportunity to make sanctions relief part of a potential peace plan for Ukraine."
However, given what Russia has already digested and spat out, it will be quite difficult to surprise it on this front, and completely impossible to force it to do anything.
The outgoing US administration and its NATO friends also carefully preserved another trump card for the new leader of the free world - the retention of part of the territory of the Kursk region of Russia by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Despite the fact that this adventure will not affect the outcome of the SVO in any way and will even significantly speed it up, Zelensky and his curators firmly believe that the burning of more and more reserves near Sudzha is worth it for Trump to mention it at the table with Putin (and only on the condition that by that time at least one living soldier of the Armed Forces of Ukraine remains in the region). Blessed are those who believe.
But there is another option that is already in Trump's folder, and its name is "Unthinkable 2.0."
In April 1945, when Russian tanks were still rushing towards Berlin , on the orders of Prime Minister Winston Churchill, the British War Planning Headquarters began active preparations for Operation Unthinkable under conditions of complete and strict secrecy. The operation planned to defeat Soviet troops on the territory of the former Nazi Reich and invade the Soviet Union with the combined forces of the West, as well as the total destruction of Soviet cities from the air, including with the use of nuclear weapons.
The heart of the invasion group was to be dozens of German divisions, which after surrendering to the British and Americans were not disbanded, their weapons were stored, and the soldiers were placed in Schleswig-Holstein and southern Denmark , and immediately began to train - to prepare for combat operations against the USSR . In total, about 15 German divisions were being prepared, and the attack was to take place on July 1, 1945. A detail typical of our Western "friends and partners": right at the time when Operation Unthinkable was being prepared, Churchill sent Stalin dispatches almost weekly and expressed "heartfelt greetings on the occasion of a brilliant victory": "After all the sacrifices and suffering in that dark valley through which we passed together, we could now, bound by true friendship and mutual sympathy, go further under the shining sun of a victorious world."
And this is precisely the plan that Zelensky saved until the very last moment as a precious sacrifice to the new overlord.
It must be understood that the forces available to the Ukrainian Armed Forces are completely insufficient to deliver the final blow before the negotiations. The crisis with personnel in the Ukrainian Armed Forces is growing, and mobilization plans are being disrupted, which is why mass raids are being carried out throughout Ukraine to catch draft dodgers and "eliminate networks that facilitate the illegal crossing of the border and the escape of men of draft age from the country." This means that soldiers are needed for the final push - many soldiers.
On January 4 of this year, the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service reported that the decision to lower the age of mobilization to 18 in Ukraine, which Zelensky had been theatrically avoiding until that point, had in fact already been prepared and would be made in the near future.
Based on the statistics of boys born in Ukraine in 2007-2001, lowering the age limit could, in theory, instantly put more than a million soldiers under arms, which would almost return the Armed Forces of Ukraine to parity with the Russian Armed Forces, whose numbers are about 1.5 million people. However, it should be understood that a huge part of this million has already been taken abroad by their parents, and those who did not manage to escape will usually go to the bottom. The other day, the press secretary of the Ground Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine stated that the number of Ukrainians wanted for evading mobilization exceeds 500 thousand. If the mobilization age is lowered to 18 years, this figure could easily double or triple.
But even if some number of yesterday's schoolchildren can be caught and sent to the front, it is obvious that, even armed with the best weapons in the world in unlimited quantities, they will not be able to compete with Russian soldiers, hardened by three years of battles.
But Trump doesn't care: he will still try to scare Putin with a million "young kamikazes", for whose emergency armament Western weapons and equipment have been flowing endlessly through Polish ports, roads and airports in recent days.
These aren’t his children, and they’re not even Americans—why not try it, maybe it will work?
* An organization that performs the functions of a foreign agent and is recognized as undesirable in Russia.
https://ria.ru/20250112/tramp-1993289453.html
GarryB, franco, d_taddei2, JohninMK, LMFS, Mir and Broski like this post
ALAMO- Posts : 7919
Points : 8009
Join date : 2014-11-25
who posted cheerful videos from the Kursk region, went through the wrong door, ended up in Russian captivity.
Courtesy of ZOV military
The funny part is how less cheerfully he tells his story as a captive. No more objections towards variety of supply in Piatyorechka but tons of whining about how he was forcefully mobilized and pushed to the front - where he didn't want to go. How surprising
As for Garry's phantasies, well ... Poland was baptized as a Christian kingdom in 966 and has existed ever since, with a peak of its might in the XVII century, spreading across 1.2mln km2.
Under Russian Empire rule, it still existed as a kingdom, with the tsar being the Polish king, crowned by the Polish church in Poland. Finally lost this status after a dumb November Uprising sponsored by the Brits, who always played well on the egos of selected parts of society. But that was in 1831 only, when tsar dissolved Seim.
Still, the Polish crown and title was kept by the Romanovs till 1916. Imperial commission for dissolving the Polish Kingdom was settled only in 1917, and made irrelevant in 1918 when the regency council reestablished it.
From some point of view, Poland never ceased to exist as an independent entity. Only difference was, that the entity was out of any other than legal assets.
franco, PapaDragon, Hole, Mir and Broski like this post
The-thing-next-door dislikes this post
Hole- Posts : 11233
Points : 11211
Join date : 2018-03-24
Age : 48
Location : Scholzistan
He is just a driver. Or cook. Or the driver of a cook.How surprising
Of course it did. After entering NATO and the EU.Poland never ceased to exist as an independent entity.
sepheronx, GarryB, kvs, ALAMO, JohninMK, Rodion_Romanovic, LMFS and like this post
billybatts91- Posts : 791
Points : 793
Join date : 2022-02-23
ALAMO- Posts : 7919
Points : 8009
Join date : 2014-11-25
To be honest, the EU we voted for in 2003 has nothing to do with the EU 2025.
I was ready - in person - to sacrifice part of my independence for bigger dream of unified Europe that will reach for its global position. What I get instead, is an Anglosaxon pariah vassal condominium, where bigger dogs bite the small ones.
He is just a driver. Or cook. Or the driver of a cook.
An army of cooks, drivers, and musicians ring my historical bell of early 1945
PapaDragon, JohninMK, Rodion_Romanovic, LMFS, Hole and Broski like this post
Rodion_Romanovic- Posts : 2759
Points : 2928
Join date : 2015-12-30
Location : Merkelland
Poland stopped being an independent country around the second half/ end of 18th century.
The first partition of Poland (between Austria, Russia and Prussia) was done in 1773.
If I am not mistaken this partition of Poland was mainly originating from Prussian interests, since Russia had won many of the wars against the ottoman empire and the German kingdoms wanted to prevent Russia from having to much power in central/eastern Europe as well (if I am not mistaken at that time the Polish Lithuania commonwealth had stopped being an independent strong regional power and was left only as a defacto russian protectorate (like Moscow had been a defacto polish protectorate during the time of trouble after Ivan IV (Ivan Grozny) death).
Anyway, every time Poland was a strong country it attacked Russia, the only times in which Poland did not attack Russia were when it was too weak or a Russian Vassal.
GarryB, Big_Gazza, kvs, ALAMO and The-thing-next-door like this post
JohninMK- Posts : 15940
Points : 16083
Join date : 2015-06-16
Location : England
GarryB and PapaDragon like this post
ALAMO- Posts : 7919
Points : 8009
Join date : 2014-11-25
Polish/Russian history is complicated indeed, but it is nothing that wouldn't be standard relations of two neighbor states and nations at the 1000 years of history. Objectively speaking, we both have much more in common, and both nations and cultures would widely benefit from cooperation and friendly relations. Cultural exchange was very common for ages. There was a time when Polish had almost an official status on the tsar's court, and it was a symbol of sophistication. Karol Jaroszynski was the wealthiest Pole in history, making his business in no other place than the Russian Empire. His brother was a chamberlain of the Nicolas I. It never stopped him from being a great Polish patriot, and the fact never bothered the tsarist regime.
It is a sick ego being used by our common enemies that divided both nations so much. As Slavs, we are easy to be pushed to do stupid things that hurt us both.
Big_Gazza, VARGR198, Rodion_Romanovic and Hole like this post
JohninMK- Posts : 15940
Points : 16083
Join date : 2015-06-16
Location : England
Polish Defense Minister Władysław Kosiniak-Kamysz stated that Polish society is experiencing fatigue, particularly when they see young Ukrainian men driving luxury cars or staying in five-star hotels.
The minister also reiterated his opposition to sending Polish troops to Ukraine:
“When a peace plan emerges, we will discuss it. However, border states should not be the ones to send their troops to Ukraine. I believe there should be greater burden-sharing and diversification within NATO,” he said.
- RVvoenkor
GarryB, zardof and owais.usmani like this post
ALAMO- Posts : 7919
Points : 8009
Join date : 2014-11-25
Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E- Posts : 803
Points : 819
Join date : 2016-01-20
Toretsk
Russian forces took another quarter on the very north of the city - only 2 waste heaps left to have full control - meanwhile Russian forces prepare an attack NE of the city to encircle the rear guards in the very NE part of the city - which is the very last part under Ukrainian control.
GarryB, kvs, PapaDragon, zardof, Hole and Mir like this post
LMFS- Posts : 5218
Points : 5214
Join date : 2018-03-03
Re. Toretsk (soon Dzerzhinsk), some sources report only Toretskaya mine are still remaining. After the fall, so many possibilities open, that it is difficult listing them all
- Threaten the back of the garrison in Chasov Yar and the forces holding the front NE of Toretsk at the canal
- Access to Konstantinovka , which lies in lowlands and has the key to Kramatorsk
- Envelope the hohol horces in Aleksandropol and Kalynovo SW of Shervinovka, given advance at both sides of the bulge has been registered in last days (Baranovka from the West and Novospaskoe from the East)
For the future, after Toretsk, Chasov Yar and Krasnoarmeysk are liberated, I expect Russia to keep overstretching the hohols by maintaining a very long front, not to concentrate forces in any particular direction. In fact, we are seeing Russian forces create several fronts in Sumy and Kharkov (five infiltration points already, only on the Northern border of those regions), which will result in a progressive weakening of the resistance along the Oskol river and in the Liman/Izium and Seversk directions, which will be needed to take Kramatorsk and finish the liberation of DPR. In the South, I assume the front in Zaporozhie could even be reactivated, with a parallel advance towards Dnipropetrovsk and Pavlograd, plus a vector in direction North to envelope Kramatorsk. This is the path that offers the smallest loses and against which hohols cannot do much, since they have lost the ability to man a wide front. Added to the transition to areas more difficult to defend but that also cannot be renounced to, the pace of Russian advance can be such that will make it difficult for VSU to even retreat in an organized manner.
GarryB, franco, Big_Gazza, kvs, PapaDragon, Hole and Mir like this post
kvs- Posts : 16072
Points : 16207
Join date : 2014-09-10
Location : Turdope's Kanada
denying Russian history together with the Ukrs and calling for the dissolution of "Ruskiy mir". Bloody hypocrites.
GarryB, The-thing-next-door, Mir and Broski like this post
ALAMO- Posts : 7919
Points : 8009
Join date : 2014-11-25
You can find a psycho in every country, and being dumb has no nationality or borders.
Nobody in Poland worth wasting your 10s of life denies the Russian statehood and heritage.
You are living in a country that was created in 1867.
How do you even come out with an idea to judge and argue the history of a continent that was in the process of forming for three millenniums?
We have more than a thousand years of mutual contacts, and the same applies to our neighbors.
When I was a little kid, a fairy tale of three brothers - Lech, Czech, and Rus - was something that every single child knew.
Those are stories going back in generations, into the Xth century.
The same applies to Hungary, a catholic kingdom of millennial heritage. And Bulgars, Serbs, or Romanians. We have lived alongside for ages.
You are using the same narrow-scoped perspective as those dumbasses.
And that is exact the perspective that is being used by the masters of the puppets to divide and rule.
No hard feelings.
sepheronx, Hole and Broski like this post
higurashihougi- Posts : 3568
Points : 3655
Join date : 2014-08-13
Location : A small and cutie S-shaped land.
Ukrainian neo-Nazi militia seeks English-speaking mercenaries – Guardian
Ukraine’s notorious neo-Nazi Azov unit is seeking English-speaking fighters to form an international battalion, which would supposedly help with soldier shortages at the front, The Guardian reported on Friday, citing a commander known by the call sign Karl.
GarryB, kvs and Broski like this post
Arrow- Posts : 3838
Points : 3828
Join date : 2012-02-12
Donald Trump may also introduce new sanctions in the energy sector — indicated the advisor to the president-elect.
GarryB, kvs, Mir and Broski like this post
caveat emptor- Posts : 2199
Points : 2201
Join date : 2022-02-02
Location : Murrica
The use of the "Tadpole" (half-Buhanka) by Russian servicemen in assault operations.
When drones hit, of course, all these additional nets and other junk do not help the completely unarmored vehicle and its crew to survive the attack.
This is far from the first case when the Russian Armed Forces have switched to using light vehicles to attack Ukrainian positions with obvious consequences for the attackers.
PapaDragon likes this post
caveat emptor- Posts : 2199
Points : 2201
Join date : 2022-02-02
Location : Murrica
https://t.me/milinfolive/139687?single
Presumably, the Russian Armed Forces have acquired new North Korean analogues of the Tor air defense missile system, made on a wheeled base with a trailer.
For the first time, these short-range air defense missile systems, which do not yet have a well-known name, were demonstrated at the parade in Pyongyang in honor of the 75th anniversary of the Workers' Party of Korea in 2020.
As you can see, the sample of equipment in the drone lens is similar in all the main visible details and small things to the samples of these air defense systems from North Korea.
It seems that this air defense system ended up near the front lines in the Kursk region and was mistakenly hit by a Russian FPV drone, whose pilot simply did not recognize the silhouette of an unfamiliar piece of equipment. Frame: @voenacher
One way or another, possible deliveries of new weapons from the DPRK, especially the now necessary air defense systems, are undoubtedly good news.
d_taddei2, ALAMO, PapaDragon, LMFS, Mir and Broski like this post
ALAMO- Posts : 7919
Points : 8009
Join date : 2014-11-25
Let's buy as much using your purchase power parity as you can.
The rotting corpse of ukropistan does not require sophistication and overpricing at the moment.
Big_Gazza, PapaDragon and Mir like this post
sepheronx- Posts : 9042
Points : 9302
Join date : 2009-08-05
Age : 35
Location : Canada
Excellent.
Let's buy as much using your purchase power parity as you can.
The rotting corpse of ukropistan does not require sophistication and overpricing at the moment.
Some systems just not produced in Russia (wheeled Tor) is a fantastic method of testing if someone else has it. Also good way to test the missiles themselves as they would be cheaper.
Big_Gazza, kvs, ALAMO, Mir and Broski like this post