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    Post  Regular Sat Dec 21, 2024 8:11 pm

    https://x.com/KPAWeapons/status/1870531069038198822

    Video of 10 Koksans and 4 Pukguksong-2 SRBMs being transported Twisted Evil

    In before Ukrainians shriek "ZA SHO" and guit-trip West why they can't get any more toys

    @TheGopnik, yes I can access it with VPN/SSH

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    Post  ucmvulcan Sat Dec 21, 2024 8:57 pm

    @GOP, no I can't. What is it supposed to be?
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    Post  lyle6 Sat Dec 21, 2024 9:07 pm

    An IP logger. Razz
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    Post  higurashihougi Sat Dec 21, 2024 9:11 pm

    https://www.facebook.com/K01Archive/posts/pfbid02pKbukW33stQuAjiDCsszBQ6CQkxLwKkEpvgMd7wnoPnWxziFkn9XD52GgDDFrWsql

    With Russian special forces successfully cross the river at Antonovsky and Russian is bombarding enemy positions, probably the hypothesized Odessa offensive may commence soon ?

    Comments from readers: Don't by hasty. Have to see what will unfold. This is just the first probing attack. The road is still long.

    https://www.facebook.com/K01Archive/posts/pfbid02PThd9SdYmviCZfL2yUsXk58FTzvUJKPQKktndfkNBcDrGW4FfYSYkXgYpF5arm6fl

    Regarding the rumored incoming Odessa offensive, will Russia be at advantage if they really want to do it ?

    Compare to one year before, the Ukrainian armed forces are not only bogged down in Kursk but also fail to prevent Russian advances in Kharkov. Not to mention that Ukrainian situation in Donetsk is deteriorating, regardless of Ukrainian bogus claim of "killing one Russian division per day".

    And of course France failed to fulfill its empty promise of sending 2000 troops to Kherson.

    So yes, it is more favourable for Russia if they want to do the Odessa offensive in this time.

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    Post  Hole Sat Dec 21, 2024 9:17 pm

    Murican bred imbeciles who still have an issue with figuring out how irrelevant they become.
    The guys from Duran still waste 60 to 80% of their videos on what the Americans/Trump think/want/propose.
    Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

    So yes, it is more favourable for Russia if they want to do the Odessa offensive in this time.
    Still the best way to go to Odessa is from the North. Less river crossings.

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    Post  lyle6 Sat Dec 21, 2024 9:19 pm

    That's libel. The French did their duty and trained 2k troops in their way of war.

    That the 155th brigade just up and disappearred in a cloud of smoke upon arrival is testament to that high quality of training. They even retreat like the French Twisted Evil

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    Post  mnztr Sat Dec 21, 2024 9:33 pm

    That the 155th brigade just up and disappearred in a cloud of smoke upon arrival is testament to that high quality of training. They even retreat like the French Twisted Evil wrote:


    You can argue they retreat even better then the French lol.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Sat Dec 21, 2024 9:35 pm

    Why do the Ukrainians prefer French weapons to any others offered by NATO? They're the only ones that have been guaranteed to have never been used

    A French line officer in the 19th century asked his British counterpart why British officers wear red coats into battle. The LImey bastard replied, so that our men do not see that we are bleeding and so therefore do not become afraid. Not too long after that the French Army adopted brown trowsers.

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Dec 21, 2024 11:41 pm

    The guys from Duran still waste 60 to 80% of their videos on what the Americans/Trump think/want/propose.
    Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes


    I have told you that a long time ago - focusing on a folk who broadcasts from his closed wardrobe is just a waste of time.
    In the next session, he will masturbate online, if that pays off.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Dec 22, 2024 2:19 am

    Ofc - the only reason we are forced to cover anything about Trump is due to the numerous bad takes coming from Serb and American retards which derails any proper conversation with outlandish takes and bizarre commentary

    Go to any thread the usual suspects post and you will see a litany of bad takes and wrong conclusions

    From Syria to Ukraine to anything it’s like Denys Davidov mixed with David D level retard analysis


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    Post  thegopnik Sun Dec 22, 2024 2:20 am

    https://topwar.ru/255672-semejstvo-bpla-anduril-barracuda-ssha.html
    Russia needs to make similar missiles.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Sun Dec 22, 2024 2:39 am

    The bag continues to close around the Ukrofascist garrisons condemned by Kiev regime to stay and die in Kurakhovo. russia

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sun Dec 22, 2024 2:41 am

    Steady advance in preparation for an eventual assault on Pokrovsk. Then its on to the Dnepr. russia

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    Post  ucmvulcan Sun Dec 22, 2024 4:31 am

    Alamo, sorry American gridiron football is in full swing so I am a bit tipsy right now so refresh my memory, which one has the anthracite mines again?

    Second Kurakhovo is shaping up to be such a nice firebag. It looks like the one in Kursk. Wonder which one gets closed first.

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    Post  sepheronx Sun Dec 22, 2024 6:02 am

    thegopnik wrote:https://topwar.ru/255672-semejstvo-bpla-anduril-barracuda-ssha.html
    Russia needs to make similar missiles.

    Russia did have something like this. Kind of. It was first launching drones from Ka-52 helicopters. They were guided drones for both monitoring and ones for striking targets.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Dec 22, 2024 6:08 am

    A shitty deal is tantamount to capitulation.

    I agree, but Putin has all the cards, and from what we know of him, which the doomsayers ignore or forget, is that he is a stickler for the law... Russian law and international law.

    A shitty deal would be giving up Russian territory for peace. Russian law specifically prevents him from trading Russian territory for anything.

    A shitty deal would be EU and HATO peacekeepers in Ukraine, Putin has already said no HATO and no foreign troops.

    Fortunately Zelensky seems to be turning down all these offers so Putin does not have to.

    It will very swiftly be followed by a regime change attempt, and then if that succeeds, the break-up of Russia at the hands of traitors.

    Rubbish. Putin gets results... whether you like his methods or not you can't argue with the results.

    No other country on the planet could do what Russia is doing... western sanctions would destroy China... it has been BRICS and the experience of Russia that has led China to take steps to protect itself from the Wrath of Biden... well the Wrath of Trump is coming now and it is worse but I think their partnership with Russia and the rest of BRICS will mean China can stand up to the US too... and in standing up they will become stronger an more independent too...

    With Russia though, it has the capability, but if that capability is not used - it will be eroded.

    But that is rubbish. Russia has become stronger and even more independent these last 3 years. They have taken pain and lost men, but they have learned that the west really is not the big cuddly toy they thought it was... it is a blood sucking parasite and the more ties between them that get cut the better for Russia... of course the EU is not looking so good but that is normal for a tic.

    If NATO is not checked then it's only a matter of time until strikes expand to airfields, radars and the same military-industrial facilities involved in producing the Oreshnik or other weapons systems.

    Most of those weapons will be shot down in flight and the Russian response can be as devastating as you please... you would have a free hand...

    Trump is going to demand a 5% GDP spend for HATO nations, and of course their GDPs are going to decline with all this spending on ammo and guns that are of no real use to their people or their society or their economy...

    So Russia can't sue for peace, and it can't ignore the situation either.

    There wont be a peace deal because Zelensky can't agree to anything Putin will accept or the nazi regime he created will kill him.

    Trumps ego will demand he calls this a win, but his political opponents will call any deal a fail.

    Trump has already said 24 hours is not going to happen and talks might be 6 months or more...


    I don't see the Russian elites backing down because I really don't believe that Medvedev's visit to China this month was just for show, or Russia's new alliance with North Korea, or its increasing co-operation with Iran. On the contrary this is all a sign of some serious preparations, and Russia doubling down on its chosen course.

    The west is the enemy and they have taken great pains to do damage to Russia and to kill Russians. Even if the war ended tomorrow with some peace deal things will never go back to anything like they were. An iron curtain has descended over Russia, and that just suits Russia fine because trade with the west was always to the benefit of the west. Fair trade with the rest of the world will do Russia more good than any resumption of trade with the west.

    What the **** are you attacking Serbs for?

    They are the ones crying because Putin is not as stupid as the Americans when it comes to playing Risk.

    Ukraine still targeting civilians directly

    They are the only targets their shitty western super stealth weapons can reach reliably...


    Would be good, but knowing him, he will ESCALATE to DE-ESCALATE.

    He likes to escalate but in the case of Iran he didn't step hard on any toes and did not keep going to conflict with Iran because he is essentially anti war.

    He didn't start any wars and would be proud of any he could stop I suspect.

    He is unpredictable, but his success rates in terms of getting agreements signed is terrible. He rips up agreements to renegotiate to get a better deal but never manages to get that better deal and has to resort to no deal is better than a bad deal... which sounds a bit like cope to me.

    Eh Trump is very much a wildcard, he might drop Ukraine or he might not, acting like its a done deal is silly, you guys never dealt with him nor know what he is like.

    It can very easily go both ways

    Nobody is expecting any US president ever to do the right thing... they are all evil and self centred, but perhaps Trump just wants America out of the war in Europe, because they can sometimes turn into world wars...

    Trump has already asked Putin to show restraint until January: then, they say, the "reconciliation" process will be easier. However, Russia's lack of response after the attack will cause "indignation among the residents of our country." The choice is not easy.

    Putin should tell Trump that he will respond as he thinks appropriate to any US attack. Once Trump is in charge he can say these attacks by Kiev have been counterproductive and haven't improved Kievs situation in this conflict and is only going to make Russian peace terms worse so he is dropping support and no longer supplying military aide.

    Before Trump's inauguration, there will be more drones, long-range missiles, sabotage operations, and possibly an invasion of Russian territory. This fits into the logic of the Ukrainian government, which believes that the negotiation process at this stage is premature, since Ukraine is in unfavorable conditions," the source says.

    Good. The more they provoke Putin, the more likely he is to respond with force that will further weaken Kiev and make the west look weak.

    Surely if the west can't supply air defence equipment to protect Kiev they can't supply air defence equipment to defend anything in the west...

    Note my post yesterday about the cyber attack included a mention that it captured all the Land Registry data on who owns what properties and land in Ukraine. Valuable info.

    With the west stealing Russian overseas assets an inventory of the western owners of property and assets in the new Russian regions will be useful... farmland owned by blackrock can be seized and donated to veterans or victims of Kievs war... Mines and factories and other resources owned by foreign companies can also be seized and put to good use too... let them get compensation from their own governments from the seized Russian assets.

    Pigs POW taken, for some reason, still alive

    Some that have been captured have had interesting things to say... good to have that on record for certain future trials... not to mention to put in archives for when the west is honest enough to have a proper look at the conflict in a few decades time.

    Regarding the rumored incoming Odessa offensive, will Russia be at advantage if they really want to do it ?

    I suspect they might be in contact to those in charge of Odessa and might be able to work something out to reduce the damage and bloodshed...

    can anyone else access this? https://iz.ru/rubric/armiia

    It rejected access just clicking on the link so I used a RU proxy, but it rejected my IP, so I used the RU proxy again but with the pages encrypted and eventually it loaded, but the formatting for the page is a total mess.

    Russia needs to make similar missiles.

    Why?

    Russia already has an enormous range of air to ground weapons from LMUR through to various types of attack missile that cover all the capabilities of those three missiles with the same name but that look totally different from each other.

    From Kh-31 and Kh-69 and everything in between as well as GROM glide bombs and rocket assisted glide bombs, they have everything covered and then some.


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    Post  higurashihougi Sun Dec 22, 2024 6:43 am

    Meanwhile in Washington DC, a USA senate committee lead by Richard Blumenthal continued to accuse Russia of using "core Amercian technology" in Ukraine.

    To be more detail, the senate accused personnel in Advanced Micro Devices (AMD), Analog Devices, Intel, and Texas Instruments Inc. of supplying "core American technology" for Russian missiles, AFV and UAV in Ukraine.

    The senate also lamented that USA Bureau of Industry and Security is underfunded and lacks of up-to-date management and supervising facilities which lead to them overlooking "core American technology" smuggled into Russia.

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    Post  sepheronx Sun Dec 22, 2024 7:14 am

    Well, nothing they can do. They can screech at top of their lungs but no amount of crying will stop smuggling.

    Essentially Chinese third party sellers get these chips and gpus and sell them to someone who travels to China from Russia, buys in bulk, and then goes through the borders back and sells to various entities.

    This isn't very hard at all. The borders are very open and trucks come in and out in the thousands ber day between Russia and China. Same with train carts. All it requires is contacts in China who will buy en mass. And then sell en mass. Of course they make healthy profits.

    Older chips are recycled. Workstation motherboards with cpu and ram can be had a dime a dozen. Perfectly good to use in anything really. And it's sold by container size. I know people who sell between Africa and Asia, and it's essentially that - recycled equipment from companies in a specific country who then move it to Africa and then it's sorted and then tested what works and what doesn't. Then the rest is sold.

    US doesn't have jurisdiction in these countries and so there is no way they can check.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Sun Dec 22, 2024 7:14 am

    Russia has lots of computer geeks and technical savvy people. Its allied, at least economically to three powers that are full of geeks and nerds (China, North Korea, and India) who know how to engineer and reverse engineer to high quality damn near everything. Hell there are cases where the Chinese knock off actually works better than the name brand product it ripped off. Here's a hint Senatewhores, in a global economy where everyone buy from someone sanctions and embargos don't work. Russia, of all countries is especially immune to sanctions, because it has an educated population, a strong industrial and manufacturing base, and the domestic raw materials to back it up. The 2014 Gas Station with nukes is long gone. The 8 years of sanctions were the best possible thing to happen to Russian industry, civilian and military. Really, sanctions are like medieval papal interdictions.* They work a couple times, but if you start doing them every time someone disagrees with the Church nobody really gives a flying f*** about you anymore.

    *Interdiction was basically when the pope closed all the Churches in a nation state because the king had committed a crime or supported a heresy or apostasy, and so to force his hand, the churches were closed to pressure the population, fearful for their eternal souls, to rise up against the monarch. In the 12th and 13th century these worked fairly well. By the 14th and 15th century interdiction started to lose power and in the early 16th century a lot of princes just decided to heck with this, lets become Lutherans, Zwingliists and Calvinists.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Dec 22, 2024 7:15 am

    Russia needs to make similar missiles.

    Three missiles with the same name but that look totally different and not modular that are essentially air breathing cruise missile type weapons that are probably horribly expensive.

    As Seph points out above the LMUR seeker and guidance system plus the Kh-59 (AS-13) Kh-59M (AS-18) and Kh-69 are already much better weapons and likely a fraction of the price of these western paper weapons.

    The senate also lamented that USA Bureau of Industry and Security is underfunded and lacks of up-to-date management and supervising facilities which lead to them overlooking "core American technology" smuggled into Russia.

    So they want to spend more US taxpayers money trying to prevent US companies exporting their products to any country that might sell their products on to Russia.

    Wow... they know how to spend money, don't they?

    US doesn't have jurisdiction in these countries and so there is no way they can check.

    And even if they are friendly countries to the US, they wont want to give up such a good income... just like the Turkish love the cheap oil they buy from the Kurds who operate under US protection, which is the main reason they haven't really tried to destroy them before.

    Hell there are cases where the Chinese knock off actually works better than the name brand product it ripped off.

    The F-35 and J-35 is a good example... pirat

    They work a couple times, but if you start doing them every time someone disagrees with the Church nobody really gives a flying f*** about you anymore.

    The real problem for these chip companies is that they likely sell most of their chips to the Chinese market to supply their enormous production of all sorts of goods that require simple chips like controller chips... a car might need thousands each, but the US government clamping down on exports might lead to a ban to sell these chips to China and of course China is just going to invest a few hundred billion on making their own... and with their production technology they can probably not just make them better, but also make them cheaper and so these American companies will lose customers and also get a rival that can sell a better product cheaper... and if you don't believe me ask German car makers about it.

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    Post  xeno Sun Dec 22, 2024 8:57 am

    Hell there are cases where the Chinese knock off actually works better than the name brand product it ripped off.

    "The F-35 and J-35 is a good example... "

    No, it is not. You think the F-35 is bad, but that J-35 doesn't even have a proper engine. You guys at your age should never be fooled by Chinese military fanboys. You think Americans are ignorant and arrogant, try those Chinese nationalists and racists who represent the majority of Chines population...

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    Post  Kiko Sun Dec 22, 2024 9:33 am

    I'm Unpredictable: Trump Refuses to Make Peace on Ukraine, by Kirill Strelnikov for RiaNovosti. 12.22.2024.

    The Kiev regime's attacks on Rylsk and Kazan are a clear signal that the Western "war party," whose interests Zelensky serves, is determined not just to escalate the conflict, but to secure continued support from the United States even under a new president and to continue its course of inflicting a strategic defeat on Russia.

    Russia's response to provocations does not frighten Kiev's curators at all : they are confident that Russia will not bomb European capitals, and they will calmly survive any destruction and losses in Ukraine (including the destruction of Zelensky and his entire gang) and find new puppets.

    Their main task is to clearly show Trump that it is impossible to end the conflict in one fell swoop (“look: Ukraine is balking, Europe is ready to stand to the last, Putin will definitely refuse your proposals – why bother?”), and if it doesn’t work out quickly and beautifully, then there may be different options.

    And active trading on these options has already begun.

    Zelensky's puppeteers are cynical and not stupid people, and they have calculated Trump perfectly. Trump is a businessman to the core, and the word "profit" is first in his dictionary.

    At one time, Deputy Chairman of the Russian Security Council Dmitry Medvedev expressed reasonable doubt that the United States (even under the new president) would voluntarily give up the colossal profits and new opportunities provided by the sanctions war against Russia and the ever-deeper involvement of Europe in the conflict. According to him, in addition to billions for the American military-industrial complex, from July 2023 to June 2024, the United States increased the volume of goods supplied to the EU by 93 billion (plus 34% compared to the 2021 level), which reached 367 billion dollars. And that's not all: "Oil supplies from the United States to Europe have doubled (plus 101%, that is, 37.3 million tons more). Liquefied natural gas - by 18.5 million tons (plus 181%). Fertilizers - from practically zero to 666 (!) thousand tons. And so on for many export items. The profit is convincing."

    This position is also confirmed by many Western sources. For example, back in January 2023, the American think tank Wilson Center published a report that clearly demonstrated that the conflict in Ukraine "could strengthen the sole leadership of the United States in the world after decades of uncertainty. The United States <…> can not only become an economic and political leader, but also win the hearts and minds of millions around the world." This thesis was developed in February 2024 by experts from Yale University . According to their calculations, "90% of the costs of aid to Ukraine remains in the United States and creates thousands of jobs; the conflict in Ukraine has given new life to NATO and can relieve the economic burden (in its sole content) from the United States; Russian military power could be greatly degraded without the participation of a single American soldier."

    Apparently, Trump was not indifferent to these arguments, but, as usual, decided to squeeze the maximum out of this situation: "You want the conflict to continue? Fine, but you have to pay for it!" Just the day before yesterday, the Financial Times quoted sources in Trump's team who reported that the new president was feverishly changing his tune and confirmed that "the United States will continue to help Ukraine," meaning that there is no longer any talk of turning off the tap. In turn, Trump set a condition for continued support: European countries are required to raise military spending to five percent of GDP (from the current two percent). It is clear that most of this money will go to the American military-industrial complex. Another demand of Trump in response to the continuation of the war is that Europe completely switch to American hydrocarbons. Last Friday, Reuters reported that Trump gave Europe an ultimatum: either you dramatically increase your purchases of oil and gas from us, or I will impose prohibitive tariffs on all (!) goods from the European Union going to the United States. There is no doubt that the European "hawks" will agree to the conditions set - this will be the price for tying Trump's shoelaces.

    Thus, the deal with the "war party" is incredibly profitable for Trump: the Europeans will take on the entire financing of the military operations; this money will end up in American pockets anyway; Europe, weakened by unbearable expenses, is increasingly falling into economic and political dependence on the United States and will forever cease to be their competitor - bellissimo! Why stop the party in Villaribo and Villabajo when it is in full swing?

    As for Trump's firm and sworn promises to end the conflict in Ukraine in 24 hours, he will have no problems with this at all: he will easily and simply refuse any words, as has happened many times before.

    Interestingly, the creative transformation of Trump's rhetoric on Ukraine was analyzed by the American publication USA Today and, using specific examples, showed how Trump's position was constantly softening - and as a result, what remained of his loud statements were now pathetic and barely audible excuses. Compare for yourself:

    • June 22, Philadelphia campaign rally : "Before I even get to the Oval Office, I will quickly end the terrible war between Ukraine and Russia."

    • September 10, debate with Kamala Harris : "I'll decide everything even before I become president";

    • October 17, Alfred E. Smith Memorial Event: "As President-elect, I Will Decide";

    • December 16, press conference in Mar-a-Lago: "There's been little progress so far. It's complicated. I'll try."

    The publication concludes: "Trump (no longer) looks very interested and capable of fulfilling his promises."
    Obviously, those who called for not believing Trump's dove-like cooing were right, because it all comes down to a simple basic fact - as long as American corporations can profit from the war with impunity, it will be long, and no one "on the other side" will wave a magic wand.

    Peace can only be achieved by ourselves and, as has always been the case, alone. And the only way to peace is through a complete, final and irrevocable victory, because any half-hearted agreements are guaranteed to lead to a new and, most likely, larger and bloodier war.

    https://ria.ru/20241222/tramp-1990633628.html

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Dec 22, 2024 10:24 am

    @umcvulcan, Pokrovsk is the last anthracite deposit and mining complex the ukrs have left - not for long as Russkie are 3km from it.

    Anyway, looks like more and more Kim's toys are arriving for testing ...

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    The same echelon that carried Kowsan SPGs was carrying something else ...



    Looks suspiciously similar to Pukguksong-2, KN-15 missiles ...

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    A funny memory - this is a cold launch missile, with the same technology that was developed for NK SLBMs ... Which are nothing else rather than old Soviet technology obtained from ... Ukraine Twisted Evil

    And just as a background - it is quite potent and brand new missile - tests started in 2017 only. Chassis has a solid off road potential. The missile itself has some sort of terminal guidance to increase accuracy. During the tests, Koreans revealed that the missile can make photos of a targeted area and transmit those back to the receiving station on the ground. This might suggest some sort of active correction.


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    Post  Arrow Sun Dec 22, 2024 10:37 am

    North Korea has made an incredible leap forward in technology when it comes to missile weapons. They are probably at the forefront.
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    Post  ALAMO Sun Dec 22, 2024 10:39 am

    First and foremost, they have a working industrial base to produce all that shit serially.
    This is something that already has a giant advantage over all of NATO. It is crazy.

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