Russian military operation in Ukraine #64

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While Russia is making probing attacks in Kherson, in Kursk the Ukrainian armed forces continues to be bombarded.

Yeah no visit to Moscow is necessary to discuss gas deals, such matter can be discussed over the phone. Fico went to talk in person, away from third parties, away from spies, and directly with Putin to convey Trumps message, as well as gauge Putin's response.

Since he went back with no fanfare, it seems Putin rejected Trumps proposals out of hand.

Hours after Fico leaves, Orban issues a chilling message: "Orbán: War in Ukraine will end in 2025, either through negotiations or one side being destroyed"

This means Fico already conveyed Putin's negative response, and Trump probably does not like what is means for him, which is he must leave Ukraine with very little in hand - the time bomb which Biden left Trump was that one, but Trump can survive it - if Biden took the Afghanistan withdrawal on the chin, Trump can take this and make up for it with Iran or China

At the same time, while Orban is Trumps messenger and coordinator of the summit with Russia, he uses his head: Orbán calls Putin "fair partner", says "Hungarians can benefit from him"

Meaning even if Putin and Trump do not come to an agreement, Russian gas will flow and the economy will be preserved, regardless of what happens with the eventual summit in Jan 2025

The final key is that Trump is arguing with NATO about defense spending, and NATO agrees it will increase spending. In 2019 Trump removed 9500 troops from Germany. He is pulling out of Europe and reorienting to China

Now Trump does not care if Europe meets the target spending of 5% (they can't, Europe is in recession) - and Europe throws a quid pro quo his way: NATO countries are well aware of the need to spend more than 2 percent of their economic output on defense, Greek Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis said on Sunday, adding that a new target figure “will become clear” next year after discussions among alliance members.

“We know we will need to spend more than 2 percent,” Mitsotakis told a press conference after an EU meeting in Finland’s far north on European security, defense and migration.

This is a lame way of saying, if we raise spending, you must commit to Ukraine - and Trump really does not care, if Europe is concerned about a Russian invasion, raise your spending, but US is no longer going to be involved in defending non Nato states and protecting European military interests, when they do not spend the money themselves

For Trump to give Putin what he wants in order of priority he would have to:

1) Oust Zelensky and replace him with a new government which formally admits defeat to Russia
2) Cede the 4 regions under the new government and have the Rada sign off
3) The new government would sign an agreement saying NATO membership will not be discussed for X amount of time
4) Arrange a peacekeeping observer force composed of countries allied with Russia like China and India to conduct regular inspections of bases and military sites, and include Russia and the US on some level

Now I think he can do 1, 2, and 3, but 4 will not fly with EU getting reamed in the ass with this agreement. Namely because it would be a humiliation of epic proportions to be left out of any talks with Putin, and have multipolar armies patrolling Ukrainian territory and conducting inspections of sites throughout the country.

4 is a point which Putin will push for, as I doubt he will allow EU observers to do so. Turkey may want to do so, but this is a big problem with Syria, so I do not see the Turks as eligible candidates.

If this falls through, they can agree to at least a moratorium on missile strikes, and Trump will keep drip feeding Ukraine to the last man. This is a likely scenario, and one in which Trump saves some face, but ultimately concedes that Russia has the winning hand in this conflict

He tried to pull out from Syria and got blocked, again you are lying and misrepresenting the facts because you wanna go "america bad" and thats your MO, you mispresent the facts so you can just take pot shots,

He failed to do what he said what he wanted to do in Syria... how is that a lie?

America is bad. It was pro Democrat Americans that lied about how many Americans were in Syria, and stopped him removing all American forces in Syria.

America kills people... some Americans should be shot... they don't listen and don't care about anyone but themselves.

He got blocked on Russia also, you clearly don't know what happened at all or you do and are BSING either way your wrong

He boasted that he put more sanctions on Russia than any US president before him... what do you mean he was blocked?

They called him Putins puppet and he did everything they wanted him to do to destroy ties with Russia.

No bullshit from me required.

Just wait for those great deals with Trump.

Trump ripped up many deals, but how many did he actually end up signing?

Not many.

The Russian Ship , the one that just sank , because " there was a blast in Engine room . " seems to me that this Ship was taking on water from the forward section , port side . Sinking and heavy in that direction . Engine room for this Ship is forward and port side ?

Not especially relevant to this thread.

If NATO attempts regime change in Belarus I would not be entirely surprised to see Putin declare Belarus a constituent republic of the Russian Federation

Regime change in Belarus is not the same as last time... this time around the guy in charge has nuclear armed missiles to defend himself with...

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Russian T-72B3 captured by Ukraine and was turned into recovery vehicle.

But why recovery vehicle in this form ?

Reason: Kiev cannot manufacture spare parts for gun compatible to Russian tanks and failed to maintenance and fix the new FCS system used on newer model of Russian tanks.

There is no evidence showing Kiev can manufacture or maintenance of the Russian 125mm 2A46M.

Therefore, they had to (1) turn Russian captured tanks into recovery vehicles and (2) put their other available turrets on Russian hull, such as the turret of T-72B1 on hull of T-72B3.

Probably this is why Kiev forces had to beg for Western tanks.

For Russia, Moskva is both able to newly manufacture 2A46M-5 and to upgrade older guns to thành 2A46M-5. Most of Russia tanks from reserve stock are now updated into with 2A46M-5, such as older T-90 upgrade to T-90M, or T-80BGV to T-80BVM. That allow "older" Russian tanks to have increased lifespan and to use newer types of ammo.

Other countries like Vietnam opt for upgrading their own guns such as 100mm on T-54B (which is converted into T-54BM), allow the gun's lifespan to be increased without using brand new guns.

>If Russia takes this war too slowly, it could lose because it will not be able to complete its objectives.
Bro if Russia decides to further slow cook this war in 5 years time all the remaining high class human capital in the west will have been replaced by infinity brownoids with its industry further reduced to smithereens. 

All Russia has to do is hold and improve its positions and they will win. Simple as that.

Nothing to do with Ukraine ? Maybe you are right . But I think it is all related . It is all the same front . One side is Russia / China / Iran , the other the evil empire .

So would go better in a BRICS thread perhaps?

If we put everything related to Russia in this thread we don't need any other threads...

But if the objection is that such news should not be emphasised now , because Trump needs a Red carpet , then I am not sure at all .

I have no problem with people posting news whether it is good news or bad, but would prefer it goes in a suitable thread so it can be discussed without being off topic.

One thing to delay retaliation , another not to retaliate , yet another to deny the possibility for any retaliation .

There has to be an investigation before retaliation can be formulated. Look at the UK and how often they immediately blamed Putin and Russia for everything... just because Putin and Russia were the enemy. Highly likely is not good enough when it comes to taking action in response.

No danger of General knuts being forced to push the Red button , while Trump shaking Putin hands !

The situation at the moment I think Putin will talk with Trump, but I don't think Trump can offer any sort of deal that Putin will find acceptable so they might shake hands but I seriously doubt any deal is going to be signed any time soon.

Putin does not need a deal... Trump was the one claiming he can fix it easily and quickly, though he has since changed his tune... the point is that Russia is winning and the Orc army is being destroyed... Time is on Russias side... despite the fact that they are losing good men.

What sort of deal can be signed right now?

Not a good one for those men already dead.

Finish the job so the west knows Ukraine is totally broken and cannot be revived as a weapon against Russia.