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Syria situation after the fall of Baath regime #1
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Gee, wast aware Moscows defense and future of security of Russia was Syria......
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It will be interesting to see how much of Syria Israel now takes as a new buffer zone.
How about a long strip next to Jordan over to Dier achieving Sea to River? Reason? Stopping any Iranian resupply to Hezbollah.
How about a long strip next to Jordan over to Dier achieving Sea to River? Reason? Stopping any Iranian resupply to Hezbollah.
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Leaders of the Syrian armed opposition have guaranteed the safety of Russian military bases and diplomatic facilities on Syrian territory, a source in the Kremlin told TASS
Assad is in Moscow
Seems Russia will keep its bases and Assad is safe
Those bases are useless. Syria is under the control now of a NATO puppet regime. And Israel is expanding its footprint too. If push comes to shove against NATO those bases would quickly be compromised and surrounded from all sides. Russia will have to vacate them at the earliest opportunity. There is nowhere in the Mediterranean now to go, but then the Mediterranean is not vital to Russia and was mostly outside its control during the Soviet era too. I'd say the best bet is to set up bases in Iraq. This will allow any approaches to the Caucasus to be checked and for Iran to have some forward support.
Russia is actually harboring that loser maggot?
Jesus Christ, birds of feather I guess... No
And how would it look if Russia told him to f-off? Find me a leader who would build an alliance with Moscow then.
The Domino chain will trigger now and in the end Moscow will fall just like Damaksu did tonight.
No we won't. Else we would have already, don't you think?
Not everyone can be corrupted by dirty money. To Russians the West can't promise anything we aren't capable of providing for ourselves, in our own country. We know the future is ours.
And you're overblowing things in general. The fall of Syria is a lesson to everyone else. But not more than that. The Ukraine is where the future structure of the world will be decided. And NATO will not escape either the humiliation, or the consequences of having to vacate it completely, on pain of it being destroyed there.
The statements from Russia and Iran are pathetic. Radical measures must be taken. This is especially true in the Russian Foreign Office. Negotiations with the West are always negotiations with the devil. He will never stick to it! So put an end to this! Send military and defend the coast, build up resistance there and keep the piece of land from where you can come back or at least Hezbollah can still give support,.
If that's all it took for Syria to fall, then as sad as this situation is from a humanitarian point of view - Russia doesn't need such allies. Because an ally is someone you have to be able to rely upon.
Maybe Iran needs Syria at all costs, because it needs its route to Hezbollah. But Russia doesn't. We can make do. The key reason Russia decided to intervene in Syria 10 years ago is because it saw how determined its political and military leadership was to hold their line. If they can't do that or won't do that then they are a liability.
Russia needs to bolster Iran's defenses. That's the priority now. Some ballistic missile technology, new fighters, and a reform of its ground component would be a good start.
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https://tass.com/world/1884227
MOSCOW, December 8. /TASS/. Russia has granted Syria’s former President Bashar Assad and his family members asylum, a source in the Kremlin said.
TASS has summaries what is known about this to this hour.
According to the source in the Kremlin, Assad and his family have arrived in Moscow. Being guided by humanitarian considerations, Russia has granted asylum for them.
"Russia has always spoken in favor of a political settlement of the Syrian crisis. We insist that the UN-mediated talks be resumed," the source said.
"Russian officials are in touch with representatives of armed Syrian opposition, whose leaders have guaranteed security of Russian military bases and diplomatic missions on the Syrian territory," the source added.
As sad and funny as this is, atleast Russia now has a new alliance that won't fold so quickly.
MOSCOW, December 8. /TASS/. Russia has granted Syria’s former President Bashar Assad and his family members asylum, a source in the Kremlin said.
TASS has summaries what is known about this to this hour.
According to the source in the Kremlin, Assad and his family have arrived in Moscow. Being guided by humanitarian considerations, Russia has granted asylum for them.
"Russia has always spoken in favor of a political settlement of the Syrian crisis. We insist that the UN-mediated talks be resumed," the source said.
"Russian officials are in touch with representatives of armed Syrian opposition, whose leaders have guaranteed security of Russian military bases and diplomatic missions on the Syrian territory," the source added.
As sad and funny as this is, atleast Russia now has a new alliance that won't fold so quickly.
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Middle East Spectator, [8/12/2024 15:25]
— / NEW: 'Iran warned Assad two months ago that HTS was preparing to make a move, but he dismissed the threat. So the Turkish Foreign Minister gave us assurances that nothing will take place, which turned out to be a lie. After HTS entered Western Aleppo, Iran expected Assad to ask for military assistance, and we were fully prepared to oblige with troops and whatever else was needed – but no such request came. After Aleppo fell, it became clear that Assad had no real intentions of staying in power, so we started to engage in diplomatic talks with the opposition, and arranged the safe exit of our troops from Syria. If the SAA does not fight, neither will we risk our soldiers' lives. Russia and the UAE had managed to convince him to step down, so there was nothing we could do.' – Iranian Officials
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Middle East Spectator, [8/12/2024 15:54]
— Some additional short bulletin points that did not fit in the post:
• Ali Larijani reportedly offered him pre-set conditions 2 weeks ago in Damascus. Bashar didn’t agree with them and even refused to meet with Larijani—Iran’s special envoy—when he returned to Damascus Friday Dec 6.
• Bashar Assad refused to open the Golan front, despite being asked to by the resistance groups.
• The Assad government, after becoming too close with the Gulf Arabs, had put a lot of restrictions on IRGCQF, this sparkled dissatisfaction.
• Ex-IRGCQF officer claimed Iran intel knew since 2 months ago that rebel groups in Idlib were up to something. He claims Iranians shared their worries with Turkey, but “Turks deceived them and assured Iranians there’s nothing to be afraid of—Should not have trusted the Turks.
• The situation in Syria has not ended and it’s going spark unrest. Especially between Kurdish SDF vs Turkish-backed rebel groups (e.g. HTS) AND inner fights among rebel groups.
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— / NEW: 'Iran warned Assad two months ago that HTS was preparing to make a move, but he dismissed the threat. So the Turkish Foreign Minister gave us assurances that nothing will take place, which turned out to be a lie. After HTS entered Western Aleppo, Iran expected Assad to ask for military assistance, and we were fully prepared to oblige with troops and whatever else was needed – but no such request came. After Aleppo fell, it became clear that Assad had no real intentions of staying in power, so we started to engage in diplomatic talks with the opposition, and arranged the safe exit of our troops from Syria. If the SAA does not fight, neither will we risk our soldiers' lives. Russia and the UAE had managed to convince him to step down, so there was nothing we could do.' – Iranian Officials
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Middle East Spectator, [8/12/2024 15:54]
— Some additional short bulletin points that did not fit in the post:
• Ali Larijani reportedly offered him pre-set conditions 2 weeks ago in Damascus. Bashar didn’t agree with them and even refused to meet with Larijani—Iran’s special envoy—when he returned to Damascus Friday Dec 6.
• Bashar Assad refused to open the Golan front, despite being asked to by the resistance groups.
• The Assad government, after becoming too close with the Gulf Arabs, had put a lot of restrictions on IRGCQF, this sparkled dissatisfaction.
• Ex-IRGCQF officer claimed Iran intel knew since 2 months ago that rebel groups in Idlib were up to something. He claims Iranians shared their worries with Turkey, but “Turks deceived them and assured Iranians there’s nothing to be afraid of—Should not have trusted the Turks.
• The situation in Syria has not ended and it’s going spark unrest. Especially between Kurdish SDF vs Turkish-backed rebel groups (e.g. HTS) AND inner fights among rebel groups.
@FotrosResistance
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Middle East Spectator, [8/12/2024 15:57]
: — Channel 12, citing sources:
Israeli security services believe that Assad prevented Iranian attacks on Israel from Syrian territory
Middle East Spectator, [8/12/2024 15:58]
— It's now widely known that Iran, Hezbollah and other Shia factions asked Assad for permission to open a front in the Golan Heights after October 7th to support the resistance in Gaza & Lebanon.
However, Assad refused, reportedly saying he did not want to drag Syria into a possible open confrontation with Israel & he did not want to risk jeopardizing his normalization progress with the Gulf States.
: — Channel 12, citing sources:
Israeli security services believe that Assad prevented Iranian attacks on Israel from Syrian territory
Middle East Spectator, [8/12/2024 15:58]
— It's now widely known that Iran, Hezbollah and other Shia factions asked Assad for permission to open a front in the Golan Heights after October 7th to support the resistance in Gaza & Lebanon.
However, Assad refused, reportedly saying he did not want to drag Syria into a possible open confrontation with Israel & he did not want to risk jeopardizing his normalization progress with the Gulf States.
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— / NEW: The last Iranian and Iranian-backed Shia fighters (mostly Fatemiyoun) will shortly leave Syria through the airport of Latakia, after making a last stand at Sayyeda Zainab Shrine, resisting for 4 hours against rebel forces despite being surrounded and outnumbered 11 to 1
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— // Yemen's Ansarullah reveals more about Assad: 'He closed our embassy in Damascus, in exchange for Saudi Arabia letting him open a Saudi embassy there'
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I'm afraid that the West - being ecstatic from its victory in Syria - will now push even harder in Ukraine. They saw how easily Russia was defeated in Syria and they are convinced that Russia is never going to retaliate no matter how much the West escalates (and Putin is to blame for this with his endless restraint!).
I'm also afraid Russia will have to find a way to hit West directly (hopefully without causing WWIII) to secure its victory in Ukraine. The West is not going to allow a Russian victory to happen unless they are convinced that their own existence is in danger. Currently they are not.
Let them. They've dug themselves a bunch of graves. Ones far down below the surface in a bed of reinforced concrete that all of a sudden get demolished by 4000 degree Celcius rods of metal. If they are stupid enough to disregard the latest warnings.
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| Iranian FM Aragchi: Iran will continue support the resistance & Hezbollah
We’ve received guarantees in Syria that the embassy & consulate of Iran will be protected, and more importantly the shrines of Lady Sayyede Zainab & Hazrat Ruqyah will be protected & respected.
The attack on the embassy this morning was not done by the actual groups but by bystanders for looting purposes.
Iran’s position is to support the wishes of the Syrian people, but it is not easy to reach an agreement between all the different groups.
The resistance may have setbacks or undergo changes, like losing dear figures in Lebanon for example, but resistance continues.
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We’ve received guarantees in Syria that the embassy & consulate of Iran will be protected, and more importantly the shrines of Lady Sayyede Zainab & Hazrat Ruqyah will be protected & respected.
The attack on the embassy this morning was not done by the actual groups but by bystanders for looting purposes.
Iran’s position is to support the wishes of the Syrian people, but it is not easy to reach an agreement between all the different groups.
The resistance may have setbacks or undergo changes, like losing dear figures in Lebanon for example, but resistance continues.
@FotrosResistance
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— / The Iranian Foreign Minister regarding the next step in Syria:
'We support a political solution in Syria based on United Nations Security Council Resolution 2254, including:
– The immediate cessation of hostilities between all parties and a mechanism to monitor the ceasefire.
– The start of negotiations and a political process between all legitimate opposition parties in Syria, with the exception of recognized terrorist groups like HTS and ISIS.
– Free and fair national elections within 18 months and the right of the Syrian people to decide their own future.'
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'We support a political solution in Syria based on United Nations Security Council Resolution 2254, including:
– The immediate cessation of hostilities between all parties and a mechanism to monitor the ceasefire.
– The start of negotiations and a political process between all legitimate opposition parties in Syria, with the exception of recognized terrorist groups like HTS and ISIS.
– Free and fair national elections within 18 months and the right of the Syrian people to decide their own future.'
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Yemen's Ansarullah reveals more about Assad: 'He closed our embassy in Damascus, in exchange for Saudi Arabia letting him open a Saudi embassy there'
The ol' Yanukovich maneuver
Never fails
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That makes no sense, how would you keep a base in US-controlled Iraq if you can't keep a base in Syria today? Protecting and resupplying military bases in landlocked Iraq would be a logistical nightmare for Russia, or are you talking about building bases in US-controlled Kurdish Iraq with a belligerent Turkey right on the border? Does that scenario sound familiar?There is nowhere in the Mediterranean now to go, but then the Mediterranean is not vital to Russia and was mostly outside its control during the Soviet era too. I'd say the best bet is to set up bases in Iraq. This will allow any approaches to the Caucasus to be checked and for Iran to have some forward support.
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— / NEW: First picture of Assad and his wife in Moscow.
Syrian President Bashar al-Assad has arrived in Moscow with members of his family, having been granted asylum by Russia, TASS reports, citing a Kremlin source.
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| Israeli army: We struck around 100 targets inside Syria in the past few hours.
| Syrian “rebel” regime: We condemn Israel’s aggressive behaviour but we cannot focus on them right now. We need to free Syria from Assad.
— Literally nobody is defending Syrian airspace (or grounds) at this moment. So Israel is destroying all important infrastructure such as facilities and airports.
https://t.me/FotrosResistance/11263
| Syrian “rebel” regime: We condemn Israel’s aggressive behaviour but we cannot focus on them right now. We need to free Syria from Assad.
— Literally nobody is defending Syrian airspace (or grounds) at this moment. So Israel is destroying all important infrastructure such as facilities and airports.
https://t.me/FotrosResistance/11263
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| While reporting live for BBC Persian from Lebanon’s Beqaa region near the Syrian border, Nafiseh Kohnavard was approached by pro-FSA supporters having a picture of Saddam Hossein on their car.
> The same western-backed Saddam Hossein who not only gassed and killed many Iranians, but also gassed & massacred his own people.
Blinded by nationalism or just victimised by waterproof propaganda?
https://t.me/FotrosResistance/11266
> The same western-backed Saddam Hossein who not only gassed and killed many Iranians, but also gassed & massacred his own people.
Blinded by nationalism or just victimised by waterproof propaganda?
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Iran’s leader, Imam Khamenei, to speak on Wednesday.
He will talk about the region.
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He will talk about the region.
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Palestinians in Gaza distribute sweets to the tents of the displaced, celebrating the fall of Bashar al-Assad.
https://t.me/gazaalannet/63765
This is posted by a pro-Palestinian Resistance account.
As you can see, the Middle East landscape is more complex than many think.
https://t.me/gazaalannet/63765
This is posted by a pro-Palestinian Resistance account.
As you can see, the Middle East landscape is more complex than many think.
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That makes no sense, how would you keep a base in US-controlled Iraq if you can't keep a base in Syria today? Protecting and resupplying military bases in landlocked Iraq would be a logistical nightmare for Russia, or are you talking about building bases in US-controlled Kurdish Iraq with a belligerent Turkey right on the border? Does that scenario sound familiar?
It makes a lot of sense. There is a direct land route to Iraq via Iran. No possibility of Turkey or anyone else acting as the gatekeeper. And the bases can be setup in Shi'ite territory ensuring their support from a sympathetic population - who also happens to be well-armed and in no mind to capitulate.
Iraq is not controlled by the US. It's really not controlled by any one faction or country. Inserting some bases is doable with Iran's support.
These bases would be to help protect Iran and to allow Russia to conduct operations if it needs to in the Middle East, including against NATO or NATO proxy forces.
Palestinians in Gaza distribute sweets to the tents of the displaced, celebrating the fall of Bashar al-Assad.
https://t.me/gazaalannet/63765
This is posted by a pro-Palestinian Resistance account.
As you can see, the Middle East landscape is more complex than many think.
Cool
Well clearly they'll be happy to live in tents for the next 75 years too. Good to see they have their priorities straight. Maybe they're counting on the new leaders in Syria to help out the Palestinian cause more than Assad did? You know, the same leaders who said that they welcome friendly relations with Israel and Israeli investment?
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Iran's ambassador to Syria on the latest developments in the country:
Bashar al-Assad's sin was that he was in the Axis of Resistance.
The HTS that seized power in Syria is not actually a single group, but has emerged from numerous groups, some of whom are citizens of other countries, some of whom are extremists and are against each other.
When they settle in Syria and form a government, naturally, as the rulers of this land, they can become a serious threat to Syria's surrounding neighbors (Turkey, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon, and Israel).
Because Syria's surrounding neighbors (Israel and Turkey) have aggressive plans for Syria's territorial integrity, and these opposition groups will not tolerate these plans after the formation of the new government.
For example, today the Zionist regime announced that the 1974 agreement has been collapsed and the Zionist regime intends to occupy Jamal al-Sheikh to create a security zone.
In addition, starting this morning, Israel has been bombing various and numerous military centers in Syria.
The Israeli regime, which had tried hard to destroy Bashar al-Assad, is now facing another serious threat, and the recent ground and air attacks on Syria are also due to this concern.
On the other hand, the armed groups that will soon form a government need money to manage the country, and Syria's most important oil and gas resources are under American occupation and in eastern Syria, and this will become a challenge for the United States and these groups soon.
So what happened was perhaps their interest in overthrowing Bashar's government, but at the same time they (Turkey, Israel & the US) are worried about what the consequences will be.
There is an important question that why the Syrian government fell so fast. The answer to this question goes back to 15 years of war and global pressures (economically & politically) on Syria. The Zionist regime has also weakened the country's army through airstrikes in recent years.
On the other hand, the opposition groups have also obtained advanced weapons from various countries that many modern armies do not have.
And for this reason, the Syrian government, army, and people have decided not to resist much here. Syria's allies also have not been able to do anything because of that.
https://t.me/ResistanceTrench2/16086
Bashar al-Assad's sin was that he was in the Axis of Resistance.
The HTS that seized power in Syria is not actually a single group, but has emerged from numerous groups, some of whom are citizens of other countries, some of whom are extremists and are against each other.
When they settle in Syria and form a government, naturally, as the rulers of this land, they can become a serious threat to Syria's surrounding neighbors (Turkey, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon, and Israel).
Because Syria's surrounding neighbors (Israel and Turkey) have aggressive plans for Syria's territorial integrity, and these opposition groups will not tolerate these plans after the formation of the new government.
For example, today the Zionist regime announced that the 1974 agreement has been collapsed and the Zionist regime intends to occupy Jamal al-Sheikh to create a security zone.
In addition, starting this morning, Israel has been bombing various and numerous military centers in Syria.
The Israeli regime, which had tried hard to destroy Bashar al-Assad, is now facing another serious threat, and the recent ground and air attacks on Syria are also due to this concern.
On the other hand, the armed groups that will soon form a government need money to manage the country, and Syria's most important oil and gas resources are under American occupation and in eastern Syria, and this will become a challenge for the United States and these groups soon.
So what happened was perhaps their interest in overthrowing Bashar's government, but at the same time they (Turkey, Israel & the US) are worried about what the consequences will be.
There is an important question that why the Syrian government fell so fast. The answer to this question goes back to 15 years of war and global pressures (economically & politically) on Syria. The Zionist regime has also weakened the country's army through airstrikes in recent years.
On the other hand, the opposition groups have also obtained advanced weapons from various countries that many modern armies do not have.
And for this reason, the Syrian government, army, and people have decided not to resist much here. Syria's allies also have not been able to do anything because of that.
https://t.me/ResistanceTrench2/16086
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— Apparently, the photo is old, it's a thumbnail from a video of Assad visiting a children's hospital.
Many mainstream media uploaded it, + I couldn't find it on reverse image search, so I assumed it's real.
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/13618
Many mainstream media uploaded it, + I couldn't find it on reverse image search, so I assumed it's real.
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/13618
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Why the devil is anyone asking when whatever this ISIS group is calling itself will be attacking Israel? Look, I will give Benji Naziyahoo and his guys in Mossad a big tip of the hat. They are hideously evil, but the past year or so has been the most brilliant bit of psychological judo since the Abwehr got Stalin to decapitate the Red Army in 1937 by planting bogus documents in the Czech foreign ministry. Its just diabolically brilliant. First, Naziyahoo had some major criticism by Israelis as his government was seen as hideously corrupt. Second, he had a demographic problem, too many Palestinians. Third, he had a rising Iran that was hellbent on his destruction. Well, that was when he did a few brilliant strokes.
First, take care of the internal opposition and the Palestine problem. You do that by turning to Hamas, a group you created to discredit the Palestinian independence movement, to take about 200 Israelis hostage. That gives you carte blanche to do whatever action you want and to kill as many people as you want. You indefinitely sour the international community on Palestinian independence movements by calling them terrorists.
Second, you know you have the EU and US on your side and so you get them to believe that you have to launch airstrikes on your opponents, especially the Iranians and their proxies in Lebanon and Syria, and so you get to kill them
Third, you have a fairly large group of Islamic radicals who oddly don't seem to have you on the menu but who do strangely love attacking Shia holy sites from Iran to Syria. So you get them to topple one of the few somewhat stable arab nation states left and by doing so you get to install your own puppets in Lebanon and Syria, your friends in Washington and London and Paris get their oil pipeline and control over the region's oil and dream of dreams you give Russia the boot from the Med.
So yeah, if they weren't so fuggin evil, Israel's intel apparat should be lauded for pulling the intel coup of the century.
First, take care of the internal opposition and the Palestine problem. You do that by turning to Hamas, a group you created to discredit the Palestinian independence movement, to take about 200 Israelis hostage. That gives you carte blanche to do whatever action you want and to kill as many people as you want. You indefinitely sour the international community on Palestinian independence movements by calling them terrorists.
Second, you know you have the EU and US on your side and so you get them to believe that you have to launch airstrikes on your opponents, especially the Iranians and their proxies in Lebanon and Syria, and so you get to kill them
Third, you have a fairly large group of Islamic radicals who oddly don't seem to have you on the menu but who do strangely love attacking Shia holy sites from Iran to Syria. So you get them to topple one of the few somewhat stable arab nation states left and by doing so you get to install your own puppets in Lebanon and Syria, your friends in Washington and London and Paris get their oil pipeline and control over the region's oil and dream of dreams you give Russia the boot from the Med.
So yeah, if they weren't so fuggin evil, Israel's intel apparat should be lauded for pulling the intel coup of the century.
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Always the same script. In 10 years, expect a new war on terrorism in the destroyed Syria and their sponsors which at that time will be US new muslim enemy, Turkey.
Israel has bet on the wrong horse. They just added a new armed islamist group at their border that today is against Iran, like Hamas at the time, but will gladely use iranian missiles in 10 years to counter israeli barabaric strikes on them.
Israel has bet on the wrong horse. They just added a new armed islamist group at their border that today is against Iran, like Hamas at the time, but will gladely use iranian missiles in 10 years to counter israeli barabaric strikes on them.
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