Israel-Iran shadow war escalation

Heard on media , reports that Israel leadership again making noises about attacking Iran ! This despite claims by Iran , that military issued a written directive against discussions about attacking Iran ! People never learn ! They say if Israel attacks Iran Nuclear facility , that Iran can not easily or quickly rebuild them . This of course is true for all exposed and above ground sites. But if Iran attacks Israel Nuclear facility , then Israel can never rebuild them or live in the holy lands ! Isreal is  small territory , and radiation from destroyed reactor will make Israel uninhabitable for the next 20,000 years ! Remember Chernobyl . A radius of 30 km evacuated . Total immediate area of 120000 square kilometres affected , as well as Europe . How big is Israel ? Where is Dimona ? Where are people going to live ? In the Sea ? Why don't they put a sock in it ?


".....At Chernobyl approximately 100,000 square kilometres (39,000 sq mi) of land was significantly contaminated with fallout, with the worst hit regions being in Belarus, Ukraine and Russia.[111] Lower levels of contamination were detected over all of Europe except for the Iberian Peninsula.[112][113][114].......... "


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster

".....At Chernobyl approximately 100,000 square kilometres (39,000 sq mi) of land was significantly contaminated with fallout, with the worst hit regions being in Belarus, Ukraine and Russia.[111]

Did any radiation actually make it to Russia?

My understanding was that the event actually saved a lot of lives because testing for cancers was massively stepped up and a lot of people who didn't know they had cancer were diagnosed early and could be treated because early diagnosis is key, which meant because of all the extra testing the deaths to cancer actually went down.

The prevailing winds actually took any radiation away from Russia...

Regarding Israel... countries that live in glass houses should not throw stones...

Areas of Bryansk Oblast were contaminated.

The point 7 is baseless. US systems intercepted a number of ballistic missiles coming from Yemen in saudi arabia and UAE. And in Iraq they don't have many system that can really counter missile attacks.

So if I was Iran I wouldn't over estimate the missiles they used there.

Isos wrote:The point 7 is baseless. US systems intercepted a number of ballistic missiles coming from Yemen in saudi arabia and UAE. And in Iraq they don't have many system that can really counter missile attacks.

So if I was Iran I wouldn't over estimate the missiles they used there.

Missiles are missiles. They go on a ballistic or semi-ballistic path and that's that. There is no huge amount of magic wunderwaffe here.

That said, the United States air defense systems are complete garbage. Perhaps individually the systems would work fine, though the absence of early-warning radars and additional infrastructure make the overall concept pretty useless, as shown by Yemeni ballistic missiles consistently hitting targets throughout Saudi Arabia.

As far as we know none of the missiles Iran launched this time or the time they warned the US about their attack on the US base were shot down despite prior warning for the first attack.

I would say that is important.

The Fateh-110 series of missiles are basically MARV equipped like a Pershing II would be.
Patriot has trouble intercepting even regular ballistic missiles.

Not much can be said about this incident . Until actual dead bodies of Israel officers or lack of , is confirmed , if at all . 12 to 14 missiles were fired , and all reached target . Either AD was not available or unable to intercept or disallowed from interception . The warheads were strong and not reduced , as witnesses by severe ground shaking , possibly bunker bursting type . Significant , is lack of any video about rescue services or ambulances , as you would normally expect . Either nobody in the compound or everybody dead ? More likely compound empty . Any satellite or air video ?

Of course he is angry... luring the officials of another country, perhaps over for peace talks or something similar, and then attacking them with ballistic missiles or drone strikes is something America would never do... today.... but any other day would be OK...  

https://en.mehrnews.com/news/187138/VIDEO-Mass-funeral-of-Martyr-Khodaei-attended-by-Tehraners


I am starting to think that , this fake assassination , as well as intimidating the " opposition " , through the use of names and associations , also comes at a very convenient time , when street protests were starting again , crowds on the street , shootings etc. How public opinion is diverted to Israel ! A manipulation of public opinion . Was the shooting down of Ukraine plane over Tehran , also a diversionary attempt at public opinion ? Remember there were millions on the street (the General soleymani assassination ) that posed a possible danger to regime ( large crowds ) , by sheer numbers . An inside job by Iranian security , after all . And not yank special forces ! The security detail of Fakhrizadeh , the lead vehicle , abandoned him , just before shooting too ! The same security services that sold ? the nuclear secrets to Israel . According to Ahmadinejad ? Well , I for one , am not getting diverted !


Change is needed in Iran . No war with Israel yet . More important things at home .


Long live the democratic Republic of Iran .

Jerusalem Post wrote:Israel makes dramatic upgrades to military plans to attack Iran
https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/article-708875

Someone would like to seriously on the face ...

Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:

Jerusalem Post wrote:Israel makes dramatic upgrades to military plans to attack Iran
https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/article-708875

Someone would like to seriously on the face ...

About time to place Israel where it should be. Nazi state in the Middle east that perceives itself as superior in religion, "ethnicity" and "civilization" to any other being.

With he diminishing influence and potential of the US to strike everywhere as they like it will be interesting to see what and how the middle eastern region will develop it's alliances and sphere of influence. With the Turks as a leader trying to create a pan-turkic sphere of influence it will also play into hands of arabic countries to create healthy ties and relationships as a link between the "turkish" world and the arabic/asian world. If they fail to take this opportunity they will reduce their possibility to overcome their current position as just an oil reservoir.

They might not continue to get blind support from the west when the west has their own problems to deal with...

Certainly they can't spare any Javelins or Stingers...

What is happening now?

What is Good for the Goose ? Both playing same game , Iranians and Israelis . Internal unrest followed by external threats and problem making , to divert attention and keep extremists in power . Nothing will come out of it . Are you distracted by this extremist right wing apparatus ? Good .......Good .

@Iranobserver01
An Iranian military advisor was killed on Friday in Israeli attack on Syria's damascus
Iran's revolutionary guards say undoubtedly Israel's crime will not go "Unanswered" — Tasnim

@Sprinter99880
Today's Israeli newspaper headline: If [Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin] Netanyahu and [Israeli Defense Minister Yoav] Galant make a proposal, the cabinet will approve a plan to attack Iran

Israel has a very capable military but Iran has gotten better than they were... I don't think they can just bomb places they think have nuclear weapons facilities and just walk away from that...

@IranObserver0
Iran must face a credible nuclear threat — Netanyahu
Seems like only option left for is striking Iran with a nuclear weapon.
It is highly time we build our own nukes and increase the range of our missiles

https://twitter.com/IranObserver0/status/1705511380109992011

GarryB wrote:Israel has a very capable military but Iran has gotten better than they were... I don't think they can just bomb places they think have nuclear weapons facilities and just walk away from that...

There is no point in a war between Iran and Israel . First no side will gain any territory , since no land battle possible . Second the destruction will be mutual and short of bolstering the political position of hardliners on both sides initially , will if prolonged lead to social disturbances . More so inside Israel . So the only remaining use of the threat of war , is political . It keeps the extremists in power in Iran , their religious rhetoric upheld , the religious theatre to entertain the masses . And similarly the right wing Zionists , their story of everlasting persecution and genocide , necessitating an everlasting " defensive " war .




https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PBoSpAfGmT0&pp=ygUlUmlnaHQgd2luZyB6aW9uaXN0cyBhZ2FpbnN0IGRlbW9jcmFjeQ%3D%3D

GarryB wrote:Israel has a very capable military

Serious question- why would you think Israel has a very capable military? They have never fought against a near peer rival.

Much as per Iran's response to the death of Major General Qasem Soleimani. Revenge served cold.

Elijah J. Magnier
@ejmalrai
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Dec 25
Iran will not retaliate against #Israel in any way to divert attention from the Palestinian cause.
The Iranians do not react immediately, but choose a suitable target and hit it directly or indirectly. There are plenty of Israeli (painful) targets around.

Brigadier General Sayed Radha Mussawi was assassinated by #Israel today in #Syria after seven failed attempts in the past years to kill him. He arrived to #Lebanon in 1986 and served for many years to support the beginning of #Hezbollah in Lebanon.

The assassination of Sayyed Mussawi is far from crippling or delaying the support #Iran is providing to #Syria, to #Palestine or #Lebanon. However, Iran is already getting its revenge from #Israel: the closure of the Red Sea, Hezbollah’ borders engagement and the Palestinian attacks are more than enough ongoing vengeance.

How many Iranian advisors have been killed by Israel in Syria ? Iran will not even release the number . Why ? Because it won't retaliate against Israel directly , as it should . And Israel knows this , and will keep on attacking . The only people that can retaliate against Israel for killing Iranians , are other Iranians . Not Russians , or the Yemenis , Lebanese or Palestinians . Are these "martyrs ," serving Iranian national interests ? Maintaining the welfare of friends and keeping enemies at bay ? Opening trade routes and keeping them safe for Iran ? Then they must be protected . Are these " martyrs, " a way for a minority right wing group , to maintain their rule , encouraging " self - sacrifice , " for " Islam , " and protecting a building ( religious shrine ) to gain popular support and keep themselves in power ? Then they will not be avenged . These poor " martyrs, " are political window dressing , and sacrificial lamb .

During the Mahsa Amini protests , Iranian military units , gathered in front of residential apartments . They threatened to storm the buildings , saying " ...we have served in Syria ! " Did they learn to shoot people in their eyes with shot- gun pellets and blind them there too ? Religious fever can only take Iranians so far , and no further . Iranians in power , can not protect national interests . Since their interests are limited to keeping themselves and their class in power at any cost . They have done this for forty years , by using religion , as a means to dominate . The only way for Iranians to solve national and regional problems in their favour , is by changing the political status quo . The minority rule must end and free elections held . Positive change , when it happens , does so quickly .