Future Possible Romania's Closer Relations With Russia.

Romania is a NATO member and its future much depends on the election second round.

Georgescu beats Ciolacu in Romanian presidential election, by Maxim Popov for VZGLYAD. 11.25.2024.

Russia Union Supporter Georgescu Beats PM Ciolacu in Romanian Elections.

With more than 95% of the ballots counted, Calin Georgescu is leading in the Romanian presidential election with 22.18% of the votes, while Prime Minister Marcel Ciolacu received 20.29%.

As RIA Novosti reports , in the elections for the head of Romania, Calin Georgescu, who advocates an alliance with Russia, overtook the current Prime Minister Marcel Ciolacu.

According to preliminary data, Georgescu received 22.18% of the vote, while Ciolacu received 20.29%. The leader of the Save Romania Union, Elena Lasconi, came in third with 17.94%.

The second round of elections will take place on December 8. The two candidates who received the most votes will take part in it. The winner will be the one who receives a simple majority of votes.

Earlier it was reported that presidential elections had started in Romania.

https://vz.ru/news/2024/11/25/1299693.html

'Advocates an alliance with Russia', lol

Aren't they hosting ABM bases for the Americans and half-way towards going to war with Russia?
They literally have the most boot-licking government there is in Eastern Europe this side of the Danube

My advice to them is to quit NATO and join the BRICS

If these results are confirmed, it may serve to counterbalance the stolen election in Moldova.

The Kremlin explained how it sees relations with Romania following the elections, 11.25.2024.

The Kremlin does not know the views of independent candidate Calin Georgescu, who is leading in the first round of the presidential elections in Romania. This was reported to journalists by the press secretary of the Russian president Dmitry Peskov, an RBC correspondent reported.

"I would not make any predictions yet. And, probably, it cannot be said that we are so closely acquainted with the worldview of this candidate in terms of relations with our country," the Kremlin representative said.

Peskov noted that “for now we understand well the current leadership of Romania, [which] is not a friendly country to us.”

“We will, of course, monitor how the election process develops and who the winner will be,” the press secretary added.

https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/674447779a794730806ae931

Georgescu called Russian wisdom a chance for Romania, 11.25.2024.

Georgescu: Romania would benefit from good relations with Moscow.

CHISINAU, November 25 — RIA Novosti. Independent candidate Calin Georgescu is leading in the first round of the presidential elections, although Romanian media call him a pro-Russian candidate. RIA Novosti has collected quotes from Georgescu, which he used to go to the elections.

Romania held its presidential election on Sunday, which is held every five years. Preliminary results indicate that the winner will be determined in a second round on December 8.

Romania's Central Bureau had counted 99.94% of the votes by 11:00 Moscow time. The data shows that independent candidate Calin Georgescu is in first place with 22.94% of the votes. The leader of the opposition party "Union for the Salvation of Romania" Elena Lasconi, who supports partnership with NATO and the United States, has 19.17% of the votes.

Georgescu admits he has no ties to Russia , but he is "drawn to Russian culture." The presidential candidate believes Romania would benefit from good relations with Moscow , because "it is necessary to get along with all the great powers of the world - China , the United States, Russia."

He has repeatedly noted that membership in NATO and the EU has not provided Bucharest with the necessary protection.

"Romania cannot ignore something like this (serious consequences of military conflicts in the region. - Ed.), because it is not prepared for anything at all. Romania's chance is Russian wisdom," Georgescu says openly.

He also considers the events in Ukraine an example of Russia protecting its citizens: "Russia knows how to protect its citizens - and, probably, the example of Crimea will be taken literally for the Donbas region . Russia is extremely well prepared, I don't think it will fall into the trap of inciting a conflict, but at the same time it will not let itself down in the event of an escalation of the situation. <…> Russians are the best chess players in the world - and will remain so - and they know when a trap is set."

Even before the election campaign began, Georgescu spoke well of Russian President Vladimir Putin , calling him "a leader among leaders."

"Vladimir Putin is a man who loves his country. He is a man who, from my point of view, knows diplomatic aspects very well, has mastered them and is surrounded by very good professionals," the candidate for the post of head of Romania believes.

Given the above, it is not surprising that Georgescu expects, if he wins the presidential election, to focus not on helping Ukraine, but on the problems of Romania itself.

"I am running for the post of president of Romania, not Ukraine. We have more serious problems than the war in Ukraine: 20% of Romanians live in poverty! We have thousands of drug addicts. These are real problems. And I will deal with them," Georgescu emphasizes.

There are 13 candidates running for the post of President of Romania: former Deputy Secretary General of NATO, former chairman of the Social Democratic Party (PSD) Mircea Geoana, current head of the PSD, Prime Minister of the country Marcel Ciolacu, Speaker of the Senate, leader of the National Liberal Party Nicolae Ciuca, leader of the Union for the Salvation of Romania Elena Lasconi, chairman of the Union for the Unification of Romanians George Simion, leader of the Democratic Union of Hungarians in Romania Kelemen Hunor, head of the National Conservative Party of Romania Cristian Terhes, representative of the Alternative for National Dignity Party Alexandra Păcuraru, founder of the New Romania Party Sebastian Popescu, former deputy head of the Romanian intelligence service, candidate from the National Action League party Silviu Predoiu, as well as independent candidates Ana Birkhall, Cristian Diaconescu and Călin Georgescu.

According to Romanian law, the winner of the presidential elections is the candidate who receives more than half of the votes of voters included in the lists. If the votes are less than 50%, then in two weeks there will be a second round of elections, where the winner is the one who receives a simple majority.

https://ria.ru/20241125/rumyniya-1985552131.html

He sounds more like a knock-off Trump

But certainly far superior than a 'former Deputy Secretary General of NATO' apparatchik or some Meloni-type pretend-sovereigntist stooge

Why Romanians Voted for a 'Slap in the Face' to NATO and Ukraine, by Gevorg Mirzayan for VZGLYAD. 11.25.2024.

A "political earthquake" has suddenly occurred in Romania, dealing a "magnificent slap in the face to the EU and NATO." These are the assessments voiced in the West today regarding the sensational victory in the first round of the Romanian presidential elections of a man who has a bad attitude towards NATO and Ukraine and a good attitude towards the Russian leadership. How did this happen?

The first round of the presidential elections, held in the country on November 24, ended with a sensational first place for Calin Georgescu, an independent candidate with right-wing views. A land reclamation specialist who once worked in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Ecology. A man whose election campaign was financed in a crowdfunding mode, that is, through social networks.

But most importantly, he is a man who is extremely skeptical about Western support for Ukraine (which he called an “imaginary state”), the fighting in that country (which he called an instrument of manipulation), and the conflict with Russia (with which, according to Georgescu, Romania should maintain good relations).

And at the same time, he has a positive attitude towards the Russian president. "Vladimir Putin is a man who loves his country. He is a man who, from my point of view, knows diplomatic aspects very well, has mastered them and is surrounded by very good professionals," Georgescu said.

Western media have already called the results of the first round a "political earthquake". The Financial Times recalls that Georgescu questioned Romania's membership in NATO and spoke out against the deployment of the American European missile defense base in the country. "What a magnificent slap in the face for the EU, NATO and the supporters of war!" - Florian Philippot, a politician from the French party "Patriots", responded to the results of the first round.

The press secretary of the Russian president, Dmitry Peskov, commented on Georgescu's victory in many ways. On the one hand, he said that "I would not make any predictions yet" and "we cannot say that we are so closely acquainted with the worldview of this candidate in terms of relations with our country." But, on the other hand, he recalled that the policy of the current Romanian leadership is not friendly to Russia. Thus, Russia will definitely not be worse off from Georgescu's victory.

“If Georgescu wins, he could reduce the level of support for Ukraine from Romania.

The decision will be made on the principle of compromise between him and the Euro-Atlantic government. If another candidate who made it to the second round, Elena Laskoni, wins, nothing will change," explains Vadim Trukhachev, associate professor at the Russian State University for the Humanities, to the Vzglyad newspaper.

Now the lion's share of Romanian media writes that their Russian colleagues are happy about Georgescu's victory. They note that in Moscow he is called "Russia's ally". They claim that Russia is happy. They joke that it is necessary to learn Russian. They hint at help from the Kremlin for the winner.

“It is not yet entirely clear whether Georgescu’s success is only due to his colossal campaigning on social networks over the past two weeks or whether it is also the result of support from Russia,” writes the Romanian branch of Deutsche Welle (a media outlet recognized as a foreign agent).


Some local politicians even directly state that they have no doubts that Georgescu’s victory is a special operation by Russia.

"Moscow is undoubtedly behind this operation. European institutions must urgently understand what is happening in Europe and who is strangling our democracy, using the most sophisticated methods of manipulating a disillusioned population thirsting for radical revenge against a system that does not live up to expectations," says the leader of the Romanian PMP party, Eugen Tomac, indignantly.

And this is only the beginning – there will be dozens and hundreds of publications before December 8 (the date of the second round of elections). It would seem that they will do their job – Georgescu took first place, but only with 22.94%. And he took first place only because another far-right candidate, Diana Sosoacă, was removed from the elections by a decision of the Supreme Court of the country for radical views. Including “pro-Russian, anti-European and anti-NATO”. Her electorate actually defected to Georgescu. At the same time, his rival, the head of the “Union for the Rescue of Romania” party Elena Laskoni, has 19.7%, so in theory she can very well consolidate the votes of the dropped candidates.

However, in practice, everything may turn out the other way around. First of all, because of Lasconi herself.

"He was, of course, lucky with his opponent in the second round. Elena Laskoni is a certified Russophobe, ready to take the last leu out of the pocket of the Romanians for the sake of Ukraine. She is more interested in the opinion of the EU and NATO than what the Romanians think," says Vadim Trukhachev.

But Romanians think a lot and harshly about their government, and they have reasons for that. "One of the poorest EU countries has accepted half a million Ukrainians. Plus, Romania has a very acute gypsy problem, which right-wing politicians point out, while others try to ignore," continues Vadim Trukhachev.

And, in fact, the second round of the presidential elections in Romania will be somewhat similar to the US presidential elections in 2016 and 2024. On the one hand, a right-wing, sometimes even radical right-wing candidate. On the other, a boring, disgusting representative of the current establishment.

Who will the Romanian population ultimately choose, who, according to one Romanian media outlet, “has no interest in conflict with Russia and… is extremely disappointed with the current political system, in which they do not feel represented by anyone”? Perhaps the one who promises voters to free them from the debilitating feeling of constant conflict with Russia.

https://vz.ru/world/2024/11/25/1299865.html

Calin Georgescu is a member of the Club of Rome. This could be a sign of some kind of split in the European deep state.

Claims that he is pro-Putin are clearly a pack of lies. It could just be that his clique thinks a different kind of relation with Russia should be pursued.

While Romanians, as a nation, are not as Rusophobic as Polacks (one of the main reasons being Orthodoxy), expecting some sort of near term rapprochement would be foolish. There's a long history of bad relations and contentious issues to make this unlikely. One candidate's win in the elections will not change that fact. They'll stay firmly in NATO.

While Romanians, as a nation, are not as Rusophobic as Polacks (one of the main reasons being Orthodoxy), expecting some sort of near term rapprochement would be foolish. There's a long history of bad relations and contentious issues to make this unlikely. One candidate's win in the elections will not change that fact. They'll stay firmly in NATO.

That is certainly true, but it occurs to me that part of the Romanian establishment, both political and business, is starting to get nervous about the prospect of their isolation, in the event of Russia forcing a NATO retreat from the Ukraine. Then they will be surrounded by Russia or a Russian client-state on their northern border, a thinly-disguised pro-BRICS Hungary on their Western border with which they have even more historical issues than with Russia, a Bulgaria on their southern border which is run by a NATO stooge but one that constantly has to pander to the pro-Russian sentiment of his population to maintain support, and an increasingly openly pro-Russian and pro-BRICS Serbia on their south-western border.
They have of course a pro-NATO government in Moldova on their north-east border, but that country is a road to nowhere and the position of the Sandu regime will be outright critical in the event of Russia reaching Odessa. Romania can hardly rely on solidarity from that direction.

Essentially Russia will have the opportunity in that case to play kingmaker to some extent among these countries, and it will hold the routes for links to Asia and the BRICS too.

We have to wait for the final results of the war and new borders, to come to clearer outcomes.  If Russia is resolutely victorious with expanded borders in Black Sea region, first country to flip would be Moldova. Second is Bulgaria that has pretty large pro-Russian block. With that said, i would not think that Bulgaria would want to leave EU, baring big crisis in the latter, but that they would be more open to economic cooperation and less anti-Russian in politics.  
As for Romania, both second and third candidates are pro-EU, so i don't see any chance for this guy to win elections there. Actually, woman, the candidate that will advance to second round is a classical liberal, fervently pro-NATO and EU. Also, country has been firmly in EU and NATO camp since the '90s and also greatly benefited economically from EU membership.  Public opinions on the level of the country can't change this  substantially overnight.
To really change dynamics in the region Russia needs to capture Odessa oblast first. That would also greatly weaken whatever is left of Ukraine as it would cut it from exit to the sea, at the same time.

First round of presidential elections in Romania to be re-held if Constitutional Court annuls results, 11.29.2024.

Romania to hold first round of presidential elections again if results cancelled.

If the Constitutional Court (CC) cancels the first round of the presidential elections in Romania, it may be held again on December 15. This was announced on Friday, November 29, by the head of the Central Election Commission of the Republic, Toni Grebla.

He expects counties that have not yet fully counted their votes to complete the work on Friday.

"The result will be communicated to the Constitutional Court as soon as possible so that it can decide whether to recognize the November 24 elections as valid or <...> invalid and to organize [anew] the first round of voting for the presidential election on December 15," Greble said, as quoted by the G4media portal.

In this case, the second round of elections will have to be held on December 29, which will cause a lot of inconvenience, as the head of the Central Election Commission noted.

The first round of the Romanian presidential elections took place on Sunday, November 24. According to official data, independent candidate Calin Georgescu is leading with 22.94% of the vote. The leader of the opposition party "Save Romania Union" Elena Lasconi has 19.17% of the vote. There will be a second round of voting, as none of the candidates managed to get more than 50%.

Commenting on these results, expert of the Polylog Consulting Group Ruslan Andreyev noted in a conversation with Izvestia that Georgescu's victory in the first round could harm Ukraine and weaken the position of the head of the European Commission Ursula von der Leyen. The expert said that this Romanian politician is called a little Donald Trump because Georgescu has anti-globalist convictions and is against drawing the West into the Ukrainian conflict.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov on November 25 did not make any predictions about how Georgescu's possible victory could affect relations between Romania and Russia. Peskov noted that the unfriendly position of the current leadership in Bucharest is completely clear. The Russian president's press secretary added that the Kremlin will monitor further developments.

On November 27, the official representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry, Maria Zakharova, pointed out that it is too early to predict changes in relations between Moscow and Bucharest; it is necessary to first familiarize oneself with Georgescu's programme. Zakharova noted that the situation between the countries will depend on the readiness of the future new president of Romania to abandon the course hostile to Russia, which primarily harms the republic itself.

https://iz.ru/1799302/2024-11-29/pervyi-tur-vyborov-prezidenta-v-rumynii-provedut-povtorno-pri-otmene-ks-ego-itogov

NATzO "democracy" is a sick joke. Clearly more experimental, non-validated vax mandates are needed. "Regime, do me harder".

The Romanian (US) deep-state strikes back

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/114200

Romania’s top national security officials said today they had found cyberattacks intended to influence the fairness of the country's first presidential election round on Sunday.

They didn’t say when the cyberattacks took place or what exactly they targeted, but the officials suggested Russia might have been involved.

“Romania, together with other countries on NATO’s Eastern Flank, has become a priority for the hostile actions of some state and non-state actors, particularly the Russian Federation, which has a growing interest to influence Romanian society’s public agenda and social cohesion,” the Supreme Council of Defense of the Country said in a statement.

It wasn’t immediately clear what kind of information had become available since Monday, when President Klaus Iohannis’ office said he hadn’t received any intelligence about potential foreign election interference.

Iohannis called a meeting Wednesday following stunning results in the first round of the presidential election, which saw little-known independent ultranationalist Călin Georgescu win, edging out Prime Minister Marcel Ciolacu, who didn’t make it to the Dec. 8 runoff.

The Supreme Council also called out the video-sharing platform TikTok, which it said gave preferential treatment to one candidate.

The statement adds to a tense political situation in Romania and might add reasons to a demand in front of the Constitutional Court to nullify Sunday’s election.

The Constitutional Court demanded a ballot recount earlier today and will meet again Friday to consider the request to cancel the first presidential election round.

Recall the endless re-voting for EU membership designed to construct this freak super-state. The vote of the proles does not matter. The
elites decide and manage to con the proles with sham elections and "due process". Most proles are not actually woke (awakened) even if they
think they are woke. Their wokeness is installed by the rotten elites to keep them on the plantation.

At the end of the day, all social and political problems come down to the mental state of the average "normie" prole. Aware people would not
be subject to easy herding by the fake stream media. Hating on other citizens based on prejudice would not be a thing.

“Romania, together with other countries on NATO’s Eastern Flank, has become a priority for the hostile actions of some state and non-state actors, particularly the Russian Federation, which has a growing interest to influence Romanian society’s public agenda and social cohesion,” the Supreme Council of Defense of the Country said in a statement.

So they are proud to be "NATO’s Eastern Flank", i.e. cannon fodders of USA ?

Putin jokes about recount of votes in Romanian elections, by Olga Ivanova for VZGLYAD. 12.02.2024.

Russian President Vladimir Putin commented humourously on the elections in Romania, noting that one of the candidates did not satisfy the authorities, and it was decided to recount the votes.

"A second round of elections is taking place in Romania... The authorities did not like one candidate, so they decided to recount the votes," Putin said at a meeting in Novo-Ogaryovo with participants of the International Congress of Young Scientists, RIA Novosti reports.

Romania's Constitutional Court began examining a motion to annul the first round of the presidential election on Thursday. The motion was filed by National Conservative Party chairman Cristian Terhes, who came in ninth. He claims that election propaganda was carried out in favour of Elena Lasconi and bots were used to encourage people to vote for her.

The first round of elections took place on November 24, and was won by independent candidate Calin Georgescu with 22.94% of the vote. Elena Lasconi, who supports the partnership with NATO and the United States, came in second with 19.18% of the vote.

As Vzglyad newspaper reported, the Kremlin rejected accusations of  meddling  in the Romanian elections, stating that such claims were unfounded. It was previously reported that Romanians  voted for a candidate who held a critical position on NATO and Ukraine, which was perceived as a political slap in the face. In addition,  an independent candidate won the first round of the presidential elections in Romania, which was an unexpected result for many observers.

https://vz.ru/news/2024/12/2/1301213.html

The IQ standards in NATzO are terminally low. So some social media bots are enough to determine the outcome of an election? How
about proving that the information space presence of these bots was overwhelming. Nope? Of course not, the information space is dominated
by the regime bootlick mass media. But clearly that is not enough since some bots were allegedly engaged on some social media.

We need a new word to replace "retarded". It needs to convey the total absence of cranial content.

@Garry, kvs: a view about (and against) Georgescu.

It is noteworthy to notice that Georgescu himself has a professional background associated with pro-Western governmental and intergovernmental institutions, such as the National Center for Sustainable Development and the UN Global Sustainable Index Institute.

https://www.crossbordertalks.eu/2024/11/30/the-petty-bourgeois-utopia-of-calin-georgescu/

The petty-bourgeois utopia of Călin Georgescu

At the same time, however, Georgescu’s popularity among the popular classes should not be overstated. However, the more than 400,000 votes obtained in the diaspora represent less than 10% of the Romanian electorate abroad. Moreover, these elections had the second lowest turnout rate, around 52%, of all presidential elections since 1989. In other words, almost half of eligible voters were not inspired by any of the candidates to go to the polls.

The near-exclusive preoccupation with the voter profile of the far right, shared these days by many on the Romanian left, risks obscuring the class character of this far right and, in particular, of the elites who lead and/or finance it. From Orbán to Trump and from Meloni to Bolsonaro, the far right is, despite its populist and anti-elite rhetoric, the political vehicle of certain privileged social groups who want more political influence. The forces of right-wing populism tend to represent the interests of those sections of the capitalist classes that either feel their hegemonic status under jeopardy (fossil fuel industry) or believe that they have had more to lose than to gain from neoliberal globalization (domestic capital in peripheral countries). This is a struggle for hegemony between rival factions of the elite.

Georgescu’s vision is in fact more coherent than that of most candidates. His manifesto leaves no doubt about the class interests he wants to promote: “Small and medium ownership must be encouraged, protected and supported as a priority. We will not have to deal with a nanny-state that will redistribute wealth in an egalitarian way, as per the socialist model, but with the spread of associative forms of productive property (over land, tools, educational resources) and easy access to cheap capital. The economic success of sovereignist-distributist Romania will be based primarily on the capitalization of the small producer”.

Georgescu’s economic vision is, in fact, a petty-bourgeois utopia. A country of small and medium-sized entrepreneurs, in the village and city, in which neither the working class nor big capital (Romanian or foreign) seems to have any clear role to play. This is not the classless society of the communists, but of a single class – the national petty bourgeoisie.

On top of that, Georgescu proposes capping the single tax rate at 10%, including on corporate profit (which currently stands at 16%), but which would drop to merely 2% for companies with an annual turnover of over €1 million. Other tax breaks would be offered to agricultural businesses. We don’t know how the resulting budget hole would be covered, which effectively means more austerity. Georgescu admits this explicitly when he advocates “the immediate reduction of the state apparatus, by relocating them (sic) to the private sector”. Although the state would hold a minimum 51% stake in “all natural resources exploited on Romanian territory”, these resources will not revert to public ownership, but will continue to be subordinated to the logic of profit.

Thus, in contrast to what a majority of the Romanian electorate and very probably even his own electorate wants, we find nothing in Georgescu’s programme about increasing salaries and pensions (still the lowest in the EU); nothing about improving workers’ rights; nothing about regulating the real estate market and building affordable housing for the common man; nothing about the infrastructure that Romania urgently needs; nothing about regulating the energy market or the financial market, which have made record profits in recent years in Romania. It is a right-wing economic programme at the service of the rural and small-urban petty bourgeoisie, which currently does not feel sufficiently represented politically.

“The rise to power of Călin Georgescu and the far right is based on a series of objective phenomena, one of the most important being the expropriation of the small and middle bourgeoisie by transnational capital. These bourgeois strata, constantly threatened with proletarianization, come to see the bourgeois national state as a barrier to the most predatory actions of transnational monopoly capital. They will politically support anyone who comes up with a series of interventionist and protectionist measures likely to delay their dispossession – which is what the far right is doing.”