Russian special military operation in Ukraine #63

Clever missile " Hazel , " my guess from observations : It uses powered gliding on upper atmosphere to gain range . Four stage Rocket . First two powers gliding . Third stage unpowered gliding , containing powered fourth stage guided penetrator . Plasma by frangible nose cone or other for stealth . Can contain nuke or conventional . In this case , what type ? Simple penetrator goes through facility and does not turn concrete into fragments . Conventional explosive does this , but explosion not big enough to carry to Kiev as quake ! Nukes warhead does turn into fragments and carry quake 100 or more kilometres . But if nuke , then why Ukraine / NATO keep quiet about it ? For the same reason they kept quiet about Iran Semnan quake ! They will not fight a nuke war ! Nukes don't make money ! Nukes cause peace ! They want to sell storm shadow .

Therefore Iran and Russia to make nukes visible . Lots of brandishing . Nuke toothpaste . Nuke Shoes . Nuke Soap on TV . Nuke..........
Plus a conventional MIRROR attack on US/ UK soil with small conventional . Both are fine ! Do Poland a bit later . Answer to latest post Deniper , storm shadow into Kursk .

This is the problem with your logic, Uk and France etc aren't doing this from their own soil, ukraine is being used.

Ukraine needs UK and France and US assistance with the codes and target information and programming these missiles.

If you give a machinegun to someone and tell them they can go out and murder people do you think the police will ignore them?

They didn't kill anyone...

You guys knew this would happen, you knew full well we would support Ukraine like this. You know the longer you allow this war to carry on, the more it will happen.

Right back at you... you knew a war would start and you hoped the Ukrainians with your super weapons would defeat the russian forces on the battlefield and the costs of the conflict would destroy the Russian economy and cause Putin to be overthrown.

Well apart from all the money and weapons and ammo you are never getting back it has been a bit of fun and games for your side so far, but Russia is doing things that will make your future not so bright.

The length of the war has always been up to the Ukrainian people, when they have had enough it will end... the west can send money and weapons, but when they run out of men this is going to stop.

Russia isn't hurting and is being forced to make decisions that will massively improve its future and the future of the planet... they would have sold resources to the west at very reasonable prices but you wanted them for free... now they are expensive and they are never going to be cheap ever again for you guys...

Burning bridges, killing the golden goose, biting the hand that feeds... are all relevant...

You guys opened yourselves up to this, you allowed Ukraine to become what it has, you allowed the coup to go down, you knew before the war started if you attack we will send weapons.

You created a monster and weaponised it... that is all on the west... and soon there will be a mad rush of Ukrainians that are brainwashed to thinking Russians are baby eaters and they are coming... along with Winter... I am sure the EU can afford a few more million Ukrainians... ironic because the Ukrainians who moved to Russia might find Russian occupied parts of the former Ukraine are now being rebuilt and is a nice place for them to move to when the war is over... where do you think Ukrainians in the west will go? Good work making them nazis... I am sure they will stop with their kill lists and thank you for all your help.

You cannot cry when the consequences of your actions are brought before you, NATO owes you nothing.

No one is crying.... you built up Russia to be the enemy to justify HATO so to get the Germans down and the Russians out and America in.... enjoy.

Russia would have been a valuable partner in trade and cooperation, but they can also be a powerful enemy too...

You are playing a game that has been played for hundreds of years, do not act shocked or surprised when you make bad moves, it goes bad for you and you get punched in the face. This is war not some gentlemanly game of chess,

The west has shown they are scum and Russia and Belarus is realising this probably for the first time... western propaganda is strong... but that is about all... their society model is broken and consumerism is destroying them...

Much as I criticize Putin for his hand-holding, and his white glove treatment on Ukraine and rightfully so.

He has given the west every change to change their ways but they are not interested, so he can essentially turn to the Russian people and say there is no future for Russia with the west... that is over... the rest of the world.... BRICS is their future... and the future looks bright.

He cannot attack NATO directly and he will never Unless Nato STRIKES from within NATO territory.

That is not what he said and is saying. The west is now a party to this conflict and are fair game if a suitable target is found it will be hit... even on HATO territory.

Welcome to the jungle....

If russia hits a NATO country, there will be responses NATO cannot allow Russia to conduct a direct attack and get off easy.

Then it should be not allowing Kiev to attack Russia. Russia will directly attack the support and recon lines of Kiev... which lead all the way back to London and Washington and Brussels and Paris and Berlin... why wouldn't Russia cross HATO red lines when HATO has no respect for Russians openly and clearly stated red lines.

Not to mention since Trump would be in office he will order harsh counter attacks if that happens, he isn't like biden at all. You would know that from his first term if you pay attention

Bullshit. Trump didn't attack Iran because he feared the American loss of lives, he is not going to attack Russia and he is not sending US forces to fight for the Ukraine.

More likely he will pull US forces out of the Ukraine and most of if not all of Europe and tell Europe it is their problem... like he did in Afghanistan.

Dude....I have said multiple times it will start with convential weapons but over time, tension will build, we will keep bombing eachother until it hits that snapping point.

You can say it all you want... the Russians clearly have an IRBM with a range of 5,000km and conventional precision guided warheads to take out targets without using nukes. How exactly is HATO going to respond without using nukes?

Tomahawks?

They will get shot down unless you do a kiev and target civilians.

He has said this kind of stuff multiple times and he has done nothing, Idk why you are acting like this isn't the same song and dance as before.

He has had about 3 red lines... one was Kiev in HATO which is why this conflict started, the second was the crimean bridge which is why the Ukrainian electricity grid is in tatters, and now long range HATO weapons attacking Russia... and the use of an IRBM to obliterate a military target this time in the Ukraine was the response.

The next response is likely going to be a target that includes Kievs leadership or a HATO country base which is supporting Kiev.

Common sense says its **HOUTHI TIME***

Hazelnut tree is likely truck based... it could be flown to Yemen... driven out of the plane and onto the runway... drop stabilisers... get satellite information about US ships in the region within 5,000km range and launch... at max range we are talking about 20 minutes so the plane could be fuelled and airborne taking the truck back to Russia before the carrier is barbecued... or a warehouse in Poland... such a target could use prefragmented metal penetrators with a small bursting charge set off above the target sending shotgun blasts of metal fragments to shower an large area with lethal fragments to destroy surface targets over a wide area.

you are unfortunately damn right that escalation will EVENTUALLY go nuclear.

Trump isn't going to go to war to save Kiev or the EU... he will likely blame Biden... there likely wont be a peace deal because he is unlikely to offer anything that Russia would agree to... Russia doesn't need to offer the west a win... even a partial win in this situation... all the things the west would call a win just means repeating all this in 10 years time.

The longer this shit show lasts and the more homicidally psychotic and desperate NATO gets the more likely it goes nuclear.

Public opinion will turn against the leaders who think nukes is the way to go...

There is even talk of giving Kiev nukes... or should I say giving them their nukes back... ignoring that there were no Ukrainian nuke... they were all Soviet...

I hope you are right, but you are dealing with the Americans and Eurotrash you are dealing with unhinged pyschopaths who have literally said nuclear fueled extinction is worth it if it means no more Putin. So yeah, I hope you are really right, but I fear you are wrong.

They have destroyed their hedgemony over the world trying to get Putin... they now have rather less to lose, but Trump in not one of them and he sees a different future and doesn't care if Putin is in that future for Russia. Elections in the west will also hopefully shift out the morons and find some less war mongering morons to lead them.

And I think that in any case, the objective of the neo-cons at the moment is trying to get Russia to 'blink' and freeze the conflict, maybe via third parties such as India and China. They may accept a climb-down eventually, even after a conventional exchange, if that proves impossible.

Russia is winning and the west are desperate to do stupid things like throwing the entire board on the floor so they can call it all a draw.... not going to happen.

But you can't exclude that the Americans will start to take the nuclear warheads off of some of their ICBMs and SLBMs now too to gain an equivalent conventional 'superweapon' that can't be intercepted. And the process of further escalation can acquire its own momentum outside of attempts to keep control of it.

You missed the point... 3km/s targets can't be intercepted by western air defence systems because they manouver... S-400 can intercept ballistic targets moving at up to 4.8km/s and the late model S-300V4+ missiles of the SA-12 system can engage ballistic targets moving at 4.5 km/s, while the new S-500 can engage 7km/s ballistic targets and the S-550 will engage satellites in orbit and faster targets... so probably 11km/s or faster.

The US has to develop conventional kinetic penetrators that don't destabilise and go off course and can be controlled to actually hit what they are aimed at... and the metal needs to be designed to not shatter or melt at such temperatures and speeds...

This isn't Russia just popping some lumps of metal on these missiles...

They're using heavy metal penetrator cores with embedded sub-kiloton nukes for effect.

Unlikely a subkiloton nuke would put out serious radiation that would be easy to detect and Kiev would not shut up if they knew the Russians had nuked them.

Also crossing that threshold would make things easier for the west because they don't have any conventional capability anything like Hazelnut tree.

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Fibre optic , I thought about it . And I am not even a soldier . Never let people tell you " you know nothing , you are not educated . "  Be brave and let yourself think . @ ISOS . I see nothing with comparative photo , post Hazel- Tree strike in Denipro . Maybe my old eyes . Any chance of better or bigger photo ? No need to nuke NATO yet . Still humiliation ( not forgetting the loss of life ) by NATO , using ATACMS and Storm- shadow , can be answered . No need to wait for two months , hoping Trump will tame the MIC . Humiliating and symbolic measures can be taken , without the loss of life , on their territory . Something less than casus belli , but more than angry words , but very politically costly .