Russian military operation in Ukraine #63

New post  Hole Today at 3:09 pm

Post 131 second picture should be deleted, it is revolting.

You like to show those "big bang" videos.
Do you think no burned bodies are lying around after one of those explosions?
No severed limbs?
This happens in war.

I do indeed but there is a huge difference between long distance of momentary glimpses in a video and a good quality close range photo of pigs climbing and potentially eating a dead human body.

This surely breaks the site rules on suitable for work?

I have seen worser gore on telegram and that photo barely shows anything graphic. Think the only solution for this site would be dealing with quotes, and adding spoilers for you convenience for those curious to click it will see the image. Might be a lot of site maintenance.

Arrow wrote:Ukraine had several thousand nuclear devices on its territory. There were 46 RT-23s in the silo alone. Each missile had 10 MIRVs. That's 460 warheads. In addition, SS-19, Kh 55, etc.

Well not exactly thousands - they had about 1700 nuclear warheads at that time. It was under Russian C&C and returned back home over time.

Post 131 second picture should be deleted, it is revolting.

Looks like it was photoshopped anyway.

Mir wrote:Well not exactly thousands - they had about 1700 nuclear warheads at that time. It was under Russian C&C and returned back home over time.

So basically no Soviet nukes deployed / stored in Ukraine were transferred to US after 1991. Makes you wonder what New York Times is smoking.

There is no ways that the US can supply nuke warheads to Ukraine - claiming that it was Ukie property to start with

This is what NTI has to say about Ukraine's past nuclear capabilities inherited from the Soviet Union.

https://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/ukraine-nuclear-disarmament/

Ukraine does not possess nuclear weapons. Ukraine had 1,900 Soviet strategic nuclear warheads and between 2,650 and 4,200 Soviet tactical nuclear weapons deployed on its territory at the time of independence in 1991. 176 Soviet ICBMs were located in Ukraine (130 SS-19 ICBMs and 46 SS-24 ICBMs), and 44 strategic bombers.

By 1996, Ukraine transferred all Soviet-era strategic warheads to Russia.

Ukraine received extensive assistance to dismantle ICBMs, ICBM silos, heavy bombers, and cruise missiles from the U.S. funded Cooperative Threat Reduction Program. ICBM silos were destroyed by 2002, ICBMs were dismantled or transferred to Russia, and heavy bombers were eliminated by 2001.

Also:
Ukraine committed to full disarmament, including strategic weapons, in exchange for economic support and security assurances from the United States and Russia. Ukraine agreed to transfer its nuclear warheads to Russia and accepted U.S. assistance in dismantling missiles, bombers, and nuclear infrastructure. Ukraine’s warheads would be dismantled in Russia, and Ukraine would receive compensation for the commercial value of the highly enriched uranium. Ukraine ratified START on February 3, 1994.

Ukraine officially acceded to the NPT as a non-nuclear weapon state on December 5, 1994.

June 1, 1996: Ukraine transfers its last nuclear warhead to Russia
October 30, 2001: Ukraine eliminates its last strategic nuclear weapon delivery vehicle.

@arrow

So indeed there were thousands! 8750 to be more precise!

New post Hole Today at 3:09 pm Post 131 second picture should be deleted, it is revolting. wrote:

When people are buried in the ground the bodies are eating by worms or bacteria anyway. Its not that disturbing compared to many war scenarios and all the maimed children pix from Gaza. Maybe I am getting desensitized....

Apparently

CNN sent one of their UK reporters to Dnipro to report on the strike but he was not allowed anywhere near the plant. He was reduced to showing off the recovered "parts" of the weapon and showing official footage of Zelensky.

Also, since yesterday, the reservation against mobilization has been removed from the plant's employees. A thousand photos would be no more compelling as evidence as this one little factoid!

Together this is indirect evidence that the plant was hit good and hard and in this case the absence of evidence (that the plant exists) is evidence of absence (of the plant).

That five days after the impact, nobody can show a picture of anything still standing says it all.

Advances south of Kupyansk. Sounds like Russian forces pulled back from their recent penetration into eastern Kupyansk, doesn't really surprise me as the maps showed a very long and narrow salient that was likely undefendible. Best to protect the forces by pulling back and maintaining the grind and its overwhelmingly lop-sided loss ratio

@Big Gazza: the settlements along the roads between Daline and Trudovoe are quite a tough nut to crack. I guess probably the Kiev forces take advantage of the houses and dwellings there ?

In 35 days the war will be over and ukraine will be empty as all will go in Poland, politicians first.

Might get cold earlier than that....

Any provocations by Kiev and the last energy sources can be dropped... with cheap conventional means...

The only option left for Russia is to strike harder and faster.

Russia is winning and just needs to keep doing what it is doing... when Kiev attacks Russia can respond with attacks on targets in the Ukraine that will make Kiev collapse faster, but speeding up the process just gets more Russian soldiers killed.

There is now no more excuse to be going slow as this will give time for US to transfer nukes.

America isn't transferring any nukes, that is just talk and desperation.

HATO isn't sending any troops either...

And like in Afghanistan when the US says it is leaving HATO will say the job is not done and they are staying till it is done... and a day later they are leaving too becaue they realise they can't do it without the Americans doing the heavy lifting for them.

Russia in this regard is actually running out of time.

Russia is the only party of this conflict that actually does have time and the longer it goes the more Russia will take.

The slow and methodical method worked, but now they will need to go to the West of Ukraine in order to prevent the west from doing something real stupid.

The west has been doing stupid since about 1993.

There's nothing Russia can do to prevent the US transferring nukes or deploying undercover their own nuclear-armed missiles in the Ukraine which they might as well go ahead and do while they're at it and thus avoid the problems of breaching the NPT or having to rig-together some custom delivery means... as any mere 'Ukrainian nuke' that has been supplied by the US will certainly be construed as the US-operated nuclear device that it is with the according consequences for its use against Russia in any case

And when Russia says.... Hmmmm... I can't decide which of Americas enemies to send nuclear weapons and nuclear delivery systems to, so we are sending them to Iran and Saudi Arabia and North Korea and Cuba and we are considering sending some to Scotland if they get their independence any time soon.

Why not Mexico and Venezuela as well?

My guess is that the Oreshnik hit something pretty important in Yuzhmash, and/or that it spooked enough people into making hasty threats.

They have no options left and they are panicking. Even their desperate measures wont achieve what they want and will isolate them more than damage Russia or Putin...

You like to show those "big bang" videos.
Do you think no burned bodies are lying around after one of those explosions?
No severed limbs?
This happens in war.

All very true but forum rules require the posting of objectionable material to give the member the option to not see, so rather than  posting images or videos, posting links or using the spoiler function as I did for you with an indication of what is in the photos so they can make an educated decision on whether to view or not based on accurate information.

If Hazel Tree missile was a nuke , then there would be ground subsidence and radiation .

If there was any suggestion Hazel nut was a nuke the nazis in Kiev would be screaming about it and demanding their own nukes or for the west to attack Russia in kind.

I have seen worser gore on telegram and that photo barely shows anything graphic.

True but this forum has its own rules... has anyone bothered to read them?

So basically no Soviet nukes deployed / stored in Ukraine were transferred to US after 1991. Makes you wonder what New York Times is smoking.

It is trying to build itself a solution... there would be no story if they had to ask Russia to send the Soviet era nuclear warheads to Kiev... no one would give that a second thought, but if the US sent the warheads to Kiev, then that would be possible... and of course the NYT is fishing to see what public reaction to such an idea might be and the Biden administration is looking too.

If American and European and G7 countries thought it was a good idea then they might do it, but if the Russians say... go ahead... make my day... if Kiev has nukes it becomes a nuclear and strategic threat to Russia and the west of the country and any place we suspect such weapons might be deployed or stored are going to get glassed with tactical nuclear warheads, which we have thousands of.

Kinzhal is an air launched Iskander... a bit overkill in terms of flight performance but it will get to ground zero for the detonation of a tactical nuke warhead that Iskander was designed to carry if needed.

One more combination of the progress of the frontline.
Pay attention to the consistency of this movement and schemes that repeat.

Well they got some practice on how to dig their own grave

Would be funny if it wasn't so horrible

https://t.me/vicktop55/29408

A conscription office goon beating a man on the ground and literally dragging him away to be processed, while some elderly armed man guards the perimeter and women pleading in the background for the police to intervene.
These are the police now. Their word is law.

Perfect Moment for a Tie-Down: Trump Decides to Take Putin on a Painful Hold, by Kirill Strelnikov for RiaNovosti. 11.27.2024.

If Russia were an anode, the amount of negative signals in its direction over the last week would power half of Eurasia:

"The United States is discussing the supply of JASSM cruise missiles to Ukraine , which will allow shelling of Russian regions from the territory of Ukraine, including St. Petersburg, Vologda , Nizhny Novgorod and Astrakhan ."

"Britain and France have transferred up to 150 Storm Shadow and SCALP-EG missiles to Ukraine for strikes deep into Russian territory."

NATO Military Committee Chairman Rob Bauer said that we cannot "sit back and wait for attacks" and said that NATO is discussing preemptive precision strikes against Russia in the event of an armed conflict with the alliance.

" US authorities have mapped about 200 Russian military facilities that the Ukrainian Armed Forces could strike with ATACMS missiles. The next target for the strike could be facilities in the Rostov region."

"The head of the French Foreign Ministry confirmed that Ukraine can use French missiles on Russian territory."

"The German armed forces have prepared a secret plan in case of a military clash with Russia."

"Discussions have resumed in Europe about sending French and British troops to Ukraine."

"NATO has called for providing Ukraine with missiles with a range of 1,000 to 5,500 kilometers."

If the stars are lit and passions are stirred up, it means that someone really needs it.

Version one. After the exhibition performance of "Oreshnik", the collective West took a break, drank some valocordin and decided to show that it was not at all scared and even still had a lot going for it.

Version two. Someone really wants passions to be inflated to the maximum on the date of January 20, 2025 - when the White House will officially have a new owner.

For some reason, both in certain circles in the West and in the Russian information field, there is a consensus that the bad zombie President Joe Biden has decided to take revenge on the newly elected Donald Trump for all the humiliations and finally nip in the bud all his plans to end the conflict in Ukraine in 24 hours - hence the permission for Ukraine to strike deep into Russia with ATACMS missiles and all that.

Supporters of this version point to angry tweets from Trump's son Donald Jr. and Trump's almost son Elon Musk , where they accuse Biden of almost treason and claim that Russia will definitely respond, which could lead to a nuclear war.

However, Trump himself, who usually comments on everything that is happening around him at lightning speed, in this case stubbornly remains silent, which means only one thing: all this hysteria has been agreed upon with him and should help him beat Putin "from a position of strength" within the framework of possible negotiations.

This is also supported by the fact that there are no scandals during the "transfer of affairs": Biden is smiling, and Trump is happy as a cat on Maslenitsa. If Trump wanted to cancel all these permits, he could easily do it right now with one call to Zelensky, Starmer and Macron. Both the "doves" and "hawks" from the future Trump administration are just as contentedly silent.

The peace, grace and complete mutual understanding in the White House was confirmed by Trump's future national security adviser Mike Waltz, who said: "Our adversaries who think that now is a favorable moment when they can pit one administration against another, they are mistaken. <...> We are one team."

In other words, there is a high probability that Trump is simply happy that Biden started this whole mess, and now he will come to the negotiations in a white cloak and say: I am, of course, for peace and all that, I can revoke all these permits, but what will Mr. Putin give me in return?

But there is also a third version.

Yesterday, the head of the British Ministry of Defence, John Healey , said that "the war in Ukraine has entered a critical phase and the time has come for Europe to start doing more to ensure its security and collective defence".

At the same time, Reuters published an article with the headline: "Russia advances in Ukraine at fastest pace since war began." The publication's experts acknowledge that "the war is entering its most dangerous phase as Moscow's forces make record territorial gains and the pace of the offensive increases."

We don't need Reuters to confirm this: the endless stream of reports from the LBS says that we are pressing, and the weakening enemy has already tightly engaged the reverse gear. All along the front line, cauldrons are burning, where the last combat-ready units of the Ukrainian Armed Forces are being incinerated. A few days ago, during an inspection of the "North" group, the head of the Russian Ministry of Defense Andrei Belousov said that "the Russian Armed Forces have ground up the best units of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, disrupted the entire 2025 campaign," and our troops are accelerating their advance.

Thus, this whole circus with nuclear horses is a desperate attempt to somehow slow down the end of Ukraine or at least snatch a big tuft of wool from the black sheep. No matter how eccentric Trump is, he understands perfectly well that Russia has no motivation to stop the offensive, and he is trying to use at least sixes at the finish line, in the absence of trump cards and jokers.

Director of the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service Sergei Naryshkin, at a meeting of heads of security agencies and intelligence services of the CIS member states , laid everything out in the most accessible way possible: "The strategic initiative on the battlefield belongs entirely to the Russian army"; "talks about stopping the conflict in Ukraine are connected with Russia's initiative on the battlefield"; "in the West, they are now thinking not about Russia's strategic defeat, but about how not to lose themselves and preserve the Russophobic regime in Kiev." But the main thing is that "Russia categorically rejects any "freezing" of the Ukrainian conflict."

Trump may have had a clever plan to twist Putin's arm. But as undisputed heavyweight boxing champion Mike Tyson once said , "Everyone has a great plan until they get punched in the mouth."

https://ria.ru/20241127/ukraina-1985918273.html

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However, Trump himself, who usually comments on everything that is happening around him at lightning speed, in this case stubbornly remains silent, which means only one thing: all this hysteria has been agreed upon with him and should help him beat Putin "from a position of strength" within the framework of possible negotiations.

I considered this version at first

But it strikes me that the real explanation may be more nuanced

Trump in any case doesn't have any control of anything until Jan 20th. Yes he can make fiery statements to the media and mobilize his supporters - but to achieve what exactly?

He knows what's going on, and both possible outcomes play to his favour, short of all-out nuclear war of course. Which I guess he estimates as less likely, hence why he's staying silent.
If Russia submits to the pressure and threats, then Trump will come in with a much stronger hand against Putin and therefore against Iran and China too. Why would he be opposed?
Whereas if the neo-cons fail and have to back down after confronting Russia, then Trump is still strengthened - only against them. He will be able to blame them not only for all their sins to date, but on top of that, of risking nuclear war and worsening America's negotiating position over the Ukraine war. He will thus have an even stronger mandate to drain the swamp and possibly jail some of these people, and then purging the military, strengthening his faction in the Republican party and clearing the whole playing field of American politics..