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Russian military operation in Ukraine #63
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Investing too much on defensive weapons is dumb. They would be better with more su-57, elint plateforms and cheap iskanders to hit directley enemy launchers and hardware instead of trying to intercept missiles. wrote:
And they are investing. Production of all kinds of missiles has increased significantly since 2022. Both maneuvering and Iskander, etc. Now they have conventional IRBMs, they are expanding factories of solid fuel engines, etc. Compared to the years before 2022, this is probably a huge gap.
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"NATO discusses preemptive precision strikes against Russia.
NATO leadership is discussing the possibility of preemptive strikes against Russia in the event of an armed conflict.
This was announced on Monday, November 25, by the head of the alliance committee, Admiral Rob Bauer, at a conference in Brussels.
"We must now replenish operational stockpiles of weapons that have been depleted. We must also invest more in air defense, precision strike systems. This is a new discussion in NATO. It is wiser not to wait, but to hit launchers in Russia if it attacks us. A combination of precision strikes is needed that will disable the systems used to attack us, and we must strike first," he urged."
In the West, things are getting worse in the heads.
NATO leadership is discussing the possibility of preemptive strikes against Russia in the event of an armed conflict.
This was announced on Monday, November 25, by the head of the alliance committee, Admiral Rob Bauer, at a conference in Brussels.
"We must now replenish operational stockpiles of weapons that have been depleted. We must also invest more in air defense, precision strike systems. This is a new discussion in NATO. It is wiser not to wait, but to hit launchers in Russia if it attacks us. A combination of precision strikes is needed that will disable the systems used to attack us, and we must strike first," he urged."
In the West, things are getting worse in the heads.
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In a way those warheads did go to the US. But as fuel for US NPP after Russian reprocessing. 
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Russian Federation was a legal successor of the Soviet Union. All the nukes belonged to the SU.
There was never other interpretation of this fact.
It was the US that pushed to remove nuclear weaponry from the territories of newly constituted countries - it was Kazakhstan and Belarus that held some stocks of it as well.
There was never other interpretation of this fact.
It was the US that pushed to remove nuclear weaponry from the territories of newly constituted countries - it was Kazakhstan and Belarus that held some stocks of it as well.
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Impressions from the Kursk area:
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Keep your bombs clean and dry.
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Some film surfaced on TG 2 weeks ago from the Kursk region.
It presented two pigs eating the corpse of a fallen Ukr.
Chickens and dogs are doing the same.
It presented two pigs eating the corpse of a fallen Ukr.
Chickens and dogs are doing the same.
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JohninMK:
In a way those warheads did to to the US. But as fuel for US NPP after Russian reprocessing.
Yeah that would most likely happened to be the logical conclusion of Ukrainian nuclear weapons.
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ALAMO wrote:
Some film surfaced on TG 2 weeks ago from the Kursk region.
It presented two pigs eating the corpse of a fallen Ukr.
Chickens and dogs are doing the same.
Sounds awesome
Got link?
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Post 131 second picture should be deleted, it is revolting.
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Nato and europeans are desperately trying to make Russia attack Nato to oblige Trump to keep financing Ukraine.
Their last shot is to receive russian missiles on their faces in order to be protected by the US. They are pathetic.
It's the proof that behind doors Trump made it clear he will tell tell them to go **** themselves with Ukraine.
In 35 days the war will be over and ukraine will be empty as all will go in Poland, politicians first.
Their last shot is to receive russian missiles on their faces in order to be protected by the US. They are pathetic.
It's the proof that behind doors Trump made it clear he will tell tell them to go **** themselves with Ukraine.
In 35 days the war will be over and ukraine will be empty as all will go in Poland, politicians first.
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I know this is O/T but what a surprise
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In 35 days the war will be over
No that is to the inauguration. Trump doesn't take power until the 21st Jan.
But it is a celebration day
In the past 24 hours, for the first time since the beginning of the full intensity conflict, not a single artillery attack by Ukrainian forces on civilians and residential buildings was carried out in the Donetsk People's Republic.
No that is to the inauguration. Trump doesn't take power until the 21st Jan.
But it is a celebration day
In the past 24 hours, for the first time since the beginning of the full intensity conflict, not a single artillery attack by Ukrainian forces on civilians and residential buildings was carried out in the Donetsk People's Republic.
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This one is quite puzzling to me.
1) Over the years from whatever I have read about the fall of Soviet Union and the subsequent years of early 90s, I was under the impression that Ukraine did have few dozen nuclear weapons on its territory as it became independent, but all these weapons were returned to Russia in exchange of writing of loans Ukraine owed to Russia at that time. The launch codes of those bombs were in Moscow so they could not be operationaly deployed anyway. But here New York times is suggesting that those weapons were infact handed over to USA.... Is this true? It would be most shocking if it is.
2) Even if those bombs were given to USA, what would they have done with bombs the launch codes of which were in Moscow? Best they could do is to dismantle the bombs and take out the fissile material from them. So if US supplies nukes to Ukraine, it would not be Soviet nukes, but it would be American nukes using the Soviet bombs fissile material. In my opinion even that is unlikely as that fissile material would not be stored, but either discarded or reused in American weapons if that is possible. Safe to say that America would just be providing American nukes to Ukraine which would have no connection with any Soviet nukes Ukraine had left over.
3) Providing nukes to Ukraine would instantly result in 2 things. First it would signal to the whole world that Russia was 100% justified in invading Ukraine as this was the plan of US from the beginning to deploy nukes there targetting Moscow, and second, it would be seen as almost begging Putin to nuke Ukraine, and if he goes ahead, most of the world would be like Putin was left with no other choice.
4) Putin has shown an almost insane amount of restraint over the past 3 years to not go the nuclear path as the US and allies bulldoze over Russian red lines one after the other. But providing nukes to Ukraine would probably leave Putin with no other choice. Once he does push the nuke button, then the nuclear threashold is broken, and then I am afraid Russia will not stop at Ukraine. I doubt that nukes would fly across the Atlantic, but pretty much all the European bitches can then kiss their ass goodbye.
If the US hands over nukes to the Ukraine then that is a severe violation of the NPT and grounds for the entire civilized world to impose heavy sanctions on the US. The real civilized world that is, that being every country outside the collective West.
In addition to whatever the Russian response is, of course.
If those nukes are then used against Russia then that amounts to a NATO nuclear attack on Russia and would necessitate an immediate nuclear response. Against what depends on what the target of the NATO nuke was.
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flamming_python wrote:If the US hands over nukes to the Ukraine then that is a severe violation of the NPT and grounds for the entire civilized world to impose heavy sanctions on the US. The real civilized world that is, that being every country outside the collective West.
In addition to whatever the Russian response is, of course.
If those nukes are then used against Russia then that amounts to a NATO nuclear attack on Russia and would necessitate an immediate nuclear response. Against what depends on what the target of the NATO nuke was.
Of course. This would be not anymore matter of SMO.
This would mean WW3 and the minimum answer would be at least an equivalent answer against a target in US soil. If no civilian victims were there, a nuclear attack against a carrier strike group could suffice, but not if there were civilian victims of nuclear strike.
While there are a lot of idiots in the US military and political leadership, I hope that there is no general Jack D. Ripper ready to cause a nuclear war.
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The only option left for Russia is to strike harder and faster. There is now no more excuse to be going slow as this will give time for US to transfer nukes.
Russia in this regard is actually running out of time.
The slow and methodical method worked, but now they will need to go to the West of Ukraine in order to prevent the west from doing something real stupid.
Russia in this regard is actually running out of time.
The slow and methodical method worked, but now they will need to go to the West of Ukraine in order to prevent the west from doing something real stupid.
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There's nothing Russia can do to prevent the US transferring nukes or deploying undercover their own nuclear-armed missiles in the Ukraine which they might as well go ahead and do while they're at it and thus avoid the problems of breaching the NPT or having to rig-together some custom delivery means... as any mere 'Ukrainian nuke' that has been supplied by the US will certainly be construed as the US-operated nuclear device that it is with the according consequences for its use against Russia in any case
However I don't see how that will help the US. They're essentially threatening mutually-assured destruction against Russia if Russia doesn't agree to a freeze of the conflict in the Ukraine. "We'll commit mutual suicide if you don't agree to our demands!". Okay Washington. Do it.
And you'll notice that they started threatening this overtly only after the Oreshnik strike. Although the general gist of the plan was evident before per Zelensky's blustering. My guess is that the Oreshnik hit something pretty important in Yuzhmash, and/or that it spooked enough people into making hasty threats.
However I don't see how that will help the US. They're essentially threatening mutually-assured destruction against Russia if Russia doesn't agree to a freeze of the conflict in the Ukraine. "We'll commit mutual suicide if you don't agree to our demands!". Okay Washington. Do it.
And you'll notice that they started threatening this overtly only after the Oreshnik strike. Although the general gist of the plan was evident before per Zelensky's blustering. My guess is that the Oreshnik hit something pretty important in Yuzhmash, and/or that it spooked enough people into making hasty threats.
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Interesting admission from MoD. Hopefully, this is layong the ground for response.
https://t.me/mod_russia/46206
According to confirmed data, over the past three days, the Ukrainian Armed Forces have carried out two strikes with long-range Western weapons on targets in the Kursk region.
Thus, on November 23, the enemy struck the position of the S-400 anti-aircraft missile division in the area of the settlement of Lotaryovka (37 km northwest of Kursk) with five American-made ATACMS operational-tactical missiles.
During the anti-missile battle, the combat crew of the Pantsir air defense missile and gun system, which provided cover for this division, destroyed three ATACMS missiles, and two reached their target.
As a result of the strike, the radar was damaged. There are casualties among the personnel.
On November 25, 2024, the Kiev regime carried out another strike with eight ATACMS operational-tactical missiles on the Kursk-Vostochny airfield (settlement of Khalino). Seven missiles were shot down by combat crews of the S-400 air defense missile system and the Pantsir air defense missile and gun system, one reached its target. As a result of falling missile fragments, two servicemen were slightly injured, and infrastructure facilities were slightly damaged.
During the inspection of the places subjected to attacks, it was reliably confirmed that the Ukrainian Armed Forces carried out strikes with American-made ATACMS operational-tactical missiles.
The Russian Ministry of Defense is monitoring the situation, and response actions are being prepared.
Russian Ministry of Defense
https://t.me/mod_russia/46206
According to confirmed data, over the past three days, the Ukrainian Armed Forces have carried out two strikes with long-range Western weapons on targets in the Kursk region. Thus, on November 23, the enemy struck the position of the S-400 anti-aircraft missile division in the area of the settlement of Lotaryovka (37 km northwest of Kursk) with five American-made ATACMS operational-tactical missiles.
During the anti-missile battle, the combat crew of the Pantsir air defense missile and gun system, which provided cover for this division, destroyed three ATACMS missiles, and two reached their target.
As a result of the strike, the radar was damaged. There are casualties among the personnel.
On November 25, 2024, the Kiev regime carried out another strike with eight ATACMS operational-tactical missiles on the Kursk-Vostochny airfield (settlement of Khalino). Seven missiles were shot down by combat crews of the S-400 air defense missile system and the Pantsir air defense missile and gun system, one reached its target. As a result of falling missile fragments, two servicemen were slightly injured, and infrastructure facilities were slightly damaged.
During the inspection of the places subjected to attacks, it was reliably confirmed that the Ukrainian Armed Forces carried out strikes with American-made ATACMS operational-tactical missiles.
The Russian Ministry of Defense is monitoring the situation, and response actions are being prepared.
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You like to show those "big bang" videos.Post 131 second picture should be deleted, it is revolting.
Do you think no burned bodies are lying around after one of those explosions?
No severed limbs?
This happens in war.
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They're been both outmatched and outplayed, but are trying their hardest to not admit it. Even when it's inevitable that they will have to. I honestly feel that both NATO and the Ukraine are going through the 5 stages of grief. In the first few days after the Oreshnik strike there was silence from NATO capitals while the Ukraine's chief negotiator, Mikhail Podolyak, denied that the Oreshnik even exists
And now we're clearly in the anger stage, with all these threats of nukes and pre-emptive strikes and for NATO to enter the Ukraine officially.
Let's leave them for another week or two, see what they progress to.
And another demonstration or two in the interim won't hurt..
A video is being distributed online in which Russia is being intimidated by US nuclear weapons
The video is allegedly being distributed in response to Russia's test of the Oreshnik. It shows what will remain of Moscow if the US leadership decides to strike the city with a Trident II missile.
The authors of the video claim that just one such missile can destroy everything within the Garden Ring and kill about 2.7 million people. America has 280 Trident II units in service.
https://t.me/vicktop55/29375
Poroshenko - asks to "open the doors to NATO for Ukraine".
In other words, this means asking NATO to officially enter the war with Russia.
No, this Poroshenko is not an idiot, he knows what he is asking for.
They're been both outmatched and outplayed, but are trying their hardest to not admit it. Even when it's inevitable that they will have to. I honestly feel that both NATO and the Ukraine are going through the 5 stages of grief. In the first few days after the Oreshnik strike there was silence from NATO capitals while the Ukraine's chief negotiator, Mikhail Podolyak, denied that the Oreshnik even exists
And now we're clearly in the anger stage, with all these threats of nukes and pre-emptive strikes and for NATO to enter the Ukraine officially.
Let's leave them for another week or two, see what they progress to.
And another demonstration or two in the interim won't hurt..
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The best answer , is one that holds true under all circumstances . Irrespective of who is in power in America . Let's forget about this little minor and unreliable and distracting little detail . What would the answer be then ? Can you imagine not knowing ? Like a box of chocolates ?
America moving nukes to Ukraine . Russia can move nukes to Cuba . Or Iran . Or ? The net result is freezing the wars . Social conflict will persist or escalate . Skirmishes still happen or increase . Solutions will take longer to find . But millions will not die in conventional war . They will die in civil conflict .
If Hazel Tree missile was a nuke , then there would be ground subsidence and radiation . Satellites should be able to pick up with Radar . But will they say ? Still there is a lot that can be done , short of war or killing , that can humiliate the perpetrators , place political pressure on them , even if it is not proportional or escalate or be Machismo . It can be done under all circumstances .
America moving nukes to Ukraine . Russia can move nukes to Cuba . Or Iran . Or ? The net result is freezing the wars . Social conflict will persist or escalate . Skirmishes still happen or increase . Solutions will take longer to find . But millions will not die in conventional war . They will die in civil conflict .
If Hazel Tree missile was a nuke , then there would be ground subsidence and radiation . Satellites should be able to pick up with Radar . But will they say ? Still there is a lot that can be done , short of war or killing , that can humiliate the perpetrators , place political pressure on them , even if it is not proportional or escalate or be Machismo . It can be done under all circumstances .