Oreshnik missile system (IRBM)

Anyway, the things on the ground correspond perfectly well with the prophecy I have made a while ago.
Pretty soon, we will see a doubling of Russian conventional missiles force, with multiple newly developed systems.
Those will form two new tiers of weapon, one with +/-2500 km range and the other with a continental range of 5-8kkm.
The first one will be based on Iskander development Volga style, while the other will be scaled-down strategic missiles.
On the films that were revealed that showed the launch of Oreshnik, we can clearly see the stage separation.
As there is still an active powered flight phase after that - we can see that either - we are talking about at least a two-stage missile.

Where is the Oreshnik launch video?

Nutella will be nuclear only. Same as how the SS-20 Sabers were all nukes.

SO there is no such thing as Kh-101 or Kh-555 because in the 1980s all their cruise missiles had CEPs of 250-300m so nuke warheads were necessary.

Modern missile have terminal homing and much more accurate navigation systems making conventional warheads not only possible but actually rather useful.

Having a conventional warhead option makes the system vastly more flexible and useful... without kinetic warheads this attack was useless... the damage would be superficial... and pointless.

With kinetic warheads a range of real world important targets become horribly vulnerable... like bunkers under important buildings the Orcs thought were safe before Kh-32 and Iskander and Kinzhal started reaching them. This system will be even better equipped to reach deep bunkers... as well as defeat very large ships, and render large airfields useless for launching AWACS or JSTARS or inflight refuelling aircraft or B-1B bombers in Norway... a Naval launched model could be used against runways on Guam or other critical islands they think are safe... this missile will most likely be mounted on a truck and could be driven or flown anywhere... including Cuba or Mexico or Venezuela, where its 5,000km flight range would be rather useful...

Besides, what do the American police do in a similar situation? Oh that's right they shoot the dog dead, they don`t give it the benefit of a warning shot.

If you think Russia should start acting like America has been acting then why am I supporting a Russian win?

They used to shoot in the head and then fire the warning shot into the wall, but now there is police cam they have to deal with, which creates suspicion...

So after the US got out of the treaty not to develop intermediate ranged ballistic missiles, Russia draw the conclusion it was necessary to develop one, since the intentions of the US is already known for decades.

Essentially the Americans wanted to base missiles in South Korea and Japan and other places all pointing at China and the INF treaty prevented them from doing that.

Also the AEGIS AShore system is a naval system that is fully compatible with Tomahawk cruise missiles which makes basing it anywhere a violation of the INF treaty anyway. So they accused the Russians of cheating with Iskander and ripped up the deal.

Ironically for Russia it is great... it means they can target Europe and their enemies in Asia and the Middle East with smaller cheaper missiles that frees all their SLBMs and ICBMs for pointing at the US.

It also complicates the Start Treaty because the Russians can claim IRBM and MRBM as well as the cruise missile equivalents of IRCM and MRCM (intermediate and medium range ballistic and cruise missiles respectively) that are US weapons based in Europe... like the Jupiter missiles they had in Turkey, constitute strategic weapons able to reach Russian territory and should be counted under START.

I would think with Kinzhal and Tsirkon Russia already had more than enough to finish off a CVN basically anywhere in the globe, though this is one additional tool. You don't need to punch 20 holes through the hull, one is enough...

If this missile can reach 5,000km and hit 6 separate targets with each MIRV carrying 6 penetrators then that is 6 ships each hit 6 times, or combinations like 18 ships hit twice each, or any combination depending on the target information from the satellites tracking the surface group. Hell, if the SSN is close enough to the surface to be detected they could even have a swing at that using super cavitating penetrators...

The combination of range, payload, precision and speed is unprecedented for a conventional weapon.

Hitting targets thousands of kms away in minutes... it will likely be a truck based missile too which means air and road and sea mobile...

I wonder if Iran wants to buy the model without the nuclear warheads....

If it is kinetic then it would make the most sense if the penetrators had a small bursting charge to distribute the energy over a wider area.

I am sure they will have thought through the design. A small bursting charge to shatter the penetrator into fragments would be interesting if the target is something big and fragile like a building or factory where 800m above the target the charge goes off and the penetrator shatters and spreads out like a shotgun blast of fragments... only do it 800m away so they have less time to slow down but enough time to spread out to do damage over a wide area. If the fragments are shaped like flechettes to retain speed they might not slow down too much at all and still to serious penetration damage.

Equally hitting a ship like target retaining its shape means it should penetrate through the ship to the water... which wont compress and the penetrator would rapidly decelerate... the fuse could sense that and detonate creating a huge air bubble under the ship which would rise up and break the back of the ship like torpedoes do.

Of course HE is relatively light and makes the penetrator bigger but not a lot heavier so you really don't want a big HE charge inside or it will slow down much faster travelling through the atmosphere... most of the time a solid penetrator makes the most sense, but a solid penetrator made up of cubes or balls that can shatter on impact and spread damage around the place might be a good alternative.

Depending on the target you could have different penetrators used together to increase the effect on target.

The Russian leader's words were perceived in the West as a direct threat to the US and Great Britain.

But Biden and Starmer giving Kiev to attack targets deep inside Russia were just play games and having fun.... yeah right.

R-30 "Bulava-30" intercontinental missile in 2013, noted Radio Liberty journalist Mark Krutov. At that time, part number 306577.095 was produced on a Swiss milling machine Fehlmann Picomax 54.-Astra

Hahaha.... radio liberty... how the **** would they know what type of milling machine was used to make this part?

What a load of horse shit.

Comparison to ICBMs: While an Intercontinental Ballistic Missile (#ICBM) from Russia could take approximately 40 minutes to reach a #US target, this #HypersonicMissile significantly reduces flight time, underscoring its enhanced threat

To be fair an ICBM is much faster, but has much further to travel... potentially twice as far in some cases...

"However, this system is indeed the prime result of your work, the work that was done in Russian times, under the conditions of the new Russia, it was waged on the basis of modern, latest developments," Putin said

Which makes sense... if it is based on Bulava or Liner or two stages of a current ICBM then it is essentially already in mass serial production... which is a huge saving in terms of money and deployment potential.

Oreshnik has an advantage in range.

And if it is truck based you could fly it anywhere... say Cuba.... and then engage ships within a 5,000km radius.... that is a circle 10,000km across where it could engage targets... and you wont know until impact whether it goes off with a thud or a flash.

On DouXing, the Chinese parent version of Tiktok, is a Russian video claimed to be the launch of the missile. This is it on Youtube.

Pretty sure that is TOPOL isn't it? Or TOPOL-M.

As there is still an active powered flight phase after that - we can see that either - we are talking about at least a two-stage missile.

Actually would love to see them replace the second stage with scramjet propulsion to extend range while maintaining speed.

The use of scramjets instead of rocket motors should reduce weight significantly without reducing flight speed... in fact it would make manouvering easier and more efficient.

Arrow wrote:Where is the Oreshnik launch video?

It is claimed to be the one.

Ok this film is circulating on the net. However, there are heads that it was Soyuz and not Oreshbik, although the effects are very similar in the case of ICBM/IRBM flights. Opinions are divided on what was flying

Pretty soon, we will see a doubling of Russian conventional missiles force, with multiple newly developed systems. Those will form two new tiers of weapon, one with +/-2500 km range and the other with a continental range of 5-8kkm. wrote:

Oreshnik is to be subordinate to the strategic nuclear forces. However, for the first time in history, the strategic nuclear missile forces have been given the ability to make precise conventional strikes at very large distances. Similarly to the strategic air force, which can make both nuclear and conventional strikes. The strategic nuclear forces will be able to do this much faster and very precisely.

Arrow wrote:
Oreshnik  is to be subordinate to the strategic nuclear forces. However, for the first time in history, the strategic nuclear missile forces have been given the ability to make precise conventional strikes at very large distances. Similarly to the strategic air force, which can make both nuclear and conventional strikes. The strategic nuclear forces will be able to do this much faster and very precisely.

Yeah, and there is one more interesting aspect.
Muricans have been yapping about global range conventional strike systems like 20+ years ago.
Russia back then used to advocate that it is not the most brilliant idea, as there is a threat that because it would be impossible to determine what sort of warhead such a missile carries - every strike would have to be considered as strategic and nuclear.
20+ years have passed, and - as usual - Muricans presented no working weapon system, after burning hell of a money for it.

Now, Russkie presented such a system being ready for duty, effective, and probably already operational in small numbers.

And what we can hear now from the west, is how irresponsible it is, and how dangerous will be the situation now

What nonsense. How was the dispersion big for this clown? That was great precision. Of course the RVs were aiming at several different places. How can this moron know the dispersion if he hasn't even seen a photo of the damage.