Oreshnik missile system (IRBM)

Putin hails Oreshnik as cutting-edge weapon

The Oreshnik was created based on previously finalized Russian design projects, the leader stressed.

President Putin said he took part in the decision to produce the Oreshnik.

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Putin issues challenge to Oreshnik's skeptics in the West: "Pick any target in Kiev and deploy all your air defense systems there. Let's see what happens."

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According to VVP - 5500 km range is confirmed.

Putin challenges NATO to duel in Kyiv, by Oleg Isaychenko for VZGLYAD. 12.19.2024.

If the West doubts the effectiveness of the new Russian Oreshnik complex, the parties can hold a "high-tech duel of the 21st century" in Kyiv. President Vladimir Putin made such a proposal as part of the "Year Results". The head of state also drew attention to the disputes among foreign experts about whether it is possible to shoot down a Russian missile.

Russian President Vladimir Putin called Oreshnik a modern weapon that was created on the basis of previous developments. The head of state personally participated in the decision to produce the system.

Responding to doubts of foreign experts about the effectiveness of the system, Putin suggested that the West conduct a "duel". "Let them propose to us and let them propose to those in the West and the US who pay them for their analysis to conduct some kind of technological experiment, some kind of high-tech duel of the 21st century. Let them identify some target for destruction, say, in Kiev. Concentrate all their air defense and missile defense forces there. Let's see what happens. We are ready for such an experiment. <...> It's interesting. I think it will be useful for both us and the American side," TASS quotes the president as saying.

The Russian leader also touched on the topic of countering the Oreshnik. Recall that foreign experts have stated several times that it is possible to shoot down a Russian missile using a system such as the American Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD). Thus, in an article for The National Interest, columnist Brandon Weichert assured that this is the only effective system, which, however, does not guarantee interception.

In turn, an officer of the French Aerospace Forces told Le Monde that Western missile defense systems are capable of detecting the launch of the Oreshnik, but will not necessarily stop it. “Only 30 minutes will be left to plan a response,” he added. In addition, it is impossible to know whether the munition is equipped with a nuclear charge.

Against this background, Putin emphasized that it is impossible to shoot down the Oreshnik with any air defence systems. However, if the United States decides to supply THAAD systems to Ukraine, then “let them supply them.” The President added that if events develop in this way,

Russia will ask “our guys” in Ukraine to report what “valuable solutions for us” there are.

Speaking about missile defence systems in general, the president recalled that 24 new missile defence missiles are on combat duty in Romania and Poland. "Let's imagine that our Oreshnik system is located at a distance of 2 thousand kilometres. Even anti-missiles located on Polish territory will not reach it," the Russian president said. According to the Russian leader, the range of the Russian Oreshnik complex is up to 5.5 thousand kilometres.

Meanwhile, earlier Alexander Ermakov, a research fellow at the IMEMO RAS, drew attention to the fact that THAAD operators have no experience in countering missiles of the type Oreshnik.

"In practice, they have not been tested against such missiles. Perhaps, in order to intercept them, it is important for them to "catch" the munition in space. That is, it is desirable for them to be somewhere on the trajectory. Moreover, THAAD works relatively well against non-maneuvering combat units," the interlocutor explained . He also considered it unlikely that the United States would supply its systems to Ukraine, since "the Americans themselves are always short of them."

Let us recall that during the testing of the Oreshnik in real combat conditions, the target chosen was one of the largest and most famous industrial complexes for the production of missile technology since the times of the USSR, Yuzhmash, in the territory of Dnepropetrovsk.

According to available data, the system attacks the target at a speed of 10 Machs – 2-3 km per second. The Vzglyad newspaper examined in detail the advantages of the new complex and why Russia needed it . Experts also expressed confidence that the strike on Dnepropetrovsk would not be the only one, and the targets and time of the attack would be chosen by the military-political leadership of Russia.

In addition, according to analysts interviewed by the Vzglyad newspaper, the use of a missile in a non-nuclear configuration gives Russia a number of advantages. "A serious discussion has begun in the West concerning the escalation spiral that Western countries have quite deliberately entered into by pursuing an adventurous policy. As it turns out, Russia has options for containment that are quite effective, but do not pertain to weapons of mass destruction," said military expert Alexei Anpilogov.

He noted that such weapons are not prohibited by any convention. They are not weapons of mass destruction, but high-precision. Their use will not cause international condemnation, as would happen, for example, with the use of nuclear weapons. "Such a response found by Russia can play as a trump card in preparing a negotiating position," the speaker concluded.

https://m.vz.ru/politics/2024/12/19/1304357.html

Russia’s Invincible Oreshnik Has Left West in The Dust - Ex-DoD Analyst, by Svetlana Ekimenko for Sputnik. 12.19.2024.

Russia's Oreshnik medium-range hypersonic ballistic missile grabbed the attention of military observers the world over after it was fired at a major defense-related enterprise in Dnepropetrovsk days after the US and the UK okayed the launch of ATACMS and Storm Shadow missiles at targets deep inside Russia.

The West is in denial about Russia’s Oreshnik missile that defense systems are powerless to counter, Michael Maloof, former senior security policy analyst in the Pentagon, told Sputnik.

He pointed out that Russia's multi-warhead, nuclear-capable Oreshnik has left the United States far behind.

“The US not only does not have a hypersonic offensive system - it doesn't even have a defensive system that has any hope of stopping Oreshnik and the new class of missiles that are coming out,” the veteran analyst maintained.

While the US scrambles to be in the vanguard of such cutting-edge weapons systems, in effect it tends to “put all the bells and whistles on a system, overprice it and then fall behind,” said Maloof.

Washington is reluctant to acknowledge that both Russia and China have weapons systems that the US does not have, namely, hypersonic missiles.

The pundit speculated that if the United States had remained in the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty, a missile like the Oreshnik might not exist today. He observed that Russia's clear demonstration of the missile's unmatched capabilities serves as "another way of Putin telling Trump to maybe reconsider."

“I think in order to lessen the threshold of war […] and this would be a good start and, at least, beginning with the United States and Russia. And the other countries can follow suit,” said Maloof, adding:

“It's something that the world needs to really focus in on, recognize, and deal with constructively.”

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recently watched some video of an American program about US's hypersonic system to "change the game" and it is essentially trying to be a Khinzal.... the beauty of all these systems too is that while Russia fields them, they can also continuously test their ad systems to be able to defend against such systems too. So if Russian specialists says their AD systems can handle hypersonic missiles, I do actually believe it since they have dummy missiles that are hypersonic. wrote:

That's why the Russians probably have the most advanced ABM systems in the world. They've been very good at this game since the 60s. After the withdrawal of the ABM treaty, work began in full swing. They are currently modernizing the Moscow ABM, introducing the S-500, which can even intercept ICBMs.

According to VVP - 5500 km range is confirmed. wrote:

I wonder what kind of throw weight it carries at such a distance. That would give us a bit of an idea of ​​its capabilities at shorter ranges. It will be a complement to strategic systems. It will significantly expand the land part of the Russian triad.

Russia intends to replace the Topol M with a monoblock on the Yars with 3-4 MIRV. This will increase the number of warheads from 78 to a maximum of 312. If Sarmat is added, it will significantly increase the possibility of increasing the strategic arsenal. Perhaps they are already preparing for the collapse of the START treaty. Apparently China has also significantly increased its nuclear arsenal. Only the US is standing still
Russia will also develop its missile potential at a distance of 1000-2000 km. Which, in fact, can also carry out strategic attacks if necessary. Not to mention exotic systems such as Burevestnik or Poseidon.

Putin issues challenge to Oreshnik's skeptics in the West: "Pick any target in Kiev and deploy all your air defense systems there. Let's see what happens." wrote:

It must be admitted that Putin did not praise any new strategic system as much as Oreshnik. Perhaps the missile is based on even newer solutions than Yars. Perhaps from the Osin project. The warhead part is the most interesting anyway. How it delivers its payload, whether it can maneuver throughout the entire flight or, for example, only in the terminal phase. How they reach speeds of over 10M near the ground. With what energy do they destroy in the case of kinetic impacts. I do not believe too much in the Columba effect in the case of kinetic payloads.

Supposed high res photos of Yuzhmash after Oreshik strike :

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It smells fishy if you ask me.

First and foremost, the supposed impact points are of a different scale.
The type of damage is different either.







Some of those have been visible in earlier photos.
Two predicted "lines of the strike" show 7, not 6 impact points.
The overall number of supposed impact points does not correspond to a total number of 36.
Last but not least, does it look like winter scenery to you?
Sentinel's latest pics show the area in white.

My guess is that it is just one more maskirovka effort, and what we see are the results of earlier strikes—Yuzhmash has been attacked multiple times in the last three years.

A single Oresnik missile can destroy a fully equipped American aircraft carrier with fighters and 5,000 soldiers, US Army Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson told the YouTube channel "Judge Freedom".

"You have carriers that cost $14 billion with fighters and thousands of sailors... 'Oresnik' can destroy all of that in about 30 seconds," he stressed.

It smells fishy if you ask me. wrote:

You're right ALAMO has already been generally verified as nonsense. Well we still don't know the effects of the impact.l

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So long story short, I was right.
And we are facing a massive cover-up operation involving "commercial" satellite photo providers.
It is not the first time. Neither was the last time.
The scale of this operation speaks for itself more than any photo would.

We have to wait for the next Oreshnik strike. Ukraine is working hard on it. Then it can strike in such a place that the photos will more easily leak to the net than from the Dnitropetrovsk plant.

I don't consider Oreshnik as a naval warfare weapon in any way.
It is a strategic nonnuclear weapon for stationary, highly valuable, and aerial targets.
Bases, harbors, transport hubs, power stations etc.
Even if reentry buses can maneuver, it can be done just to adjust the trajectory and achieve the warhead's desired spread. I wouldn't expect this weapon to be more accurate than any modern - hy hy hy Russian hy hy hy - ballistic missile, which is ...100m CEP?
It won't be enough to hit a target that is maneuvering, first and foremost.
This is what they have Kinzhal for

I was wondering if they could change the payload, and instead of let's say 36x50 kg penetrators use 360x5kg.
But after reconsideration, there would be a weight borderline.
The smaller those became - the faster deacceleration proceeds. If we will leave the new physical principles hypothesis for a moment, making them smaller won't pay off. Even considering that those could saturate the target much better.

Even if reentry buses can maneuver, it can be done just to adjust the trajectory and achieve the warhead's desired spread. I wouldn't expect this weapon to be more accurate than any modern - hy hy hy Russian hy hy hy - ballistic missile, which is ...100m CEP? It won't be enough to hit a target that is maneuvering, first and foremost. This is what they have Kinzhal for Twisted Evil wrote:

No one has managed to do this at greater distances. The Soviets once worked intensively on hitting an aircraft carrier with an ICBM. China claims that they can do it at a distance of over 3000 km? But I wouldn't believe them on this matter. They supposedly messed around with the DF 26. The Russians can do this with the Kinzhal at a distance of 2000 km and that's probably the maximum for now when it comes to aeroballistic weapons against ships. Probably in the future, new solutions will allow for better CEP on ballistic missiles.

However, if the Oreshnik is to hit targets with a contact weapon or a regular warhead, it must have a CEP of about 30 m. That would be impressive at a range of 5000 km. But I've heard similar data about the Sarmat. Of course, it can have a radar in the head like Iskander or Pershing 2, which already provides good accuracy against high-contrast targets such as solid objects, etc. The R-36M2 was supposed to have an accuracy of below 100m with the 15F178 head and the head itself was supposed to carry a payload of below 100kT, where it was supposed to hit heavily fortified objects.

was wondering if they could change the payload, and instead of let's say 36x50 kg penetrators use 360x5kg. But after reconsideration, there would be a weight borderline. wrote:

There can definitely be different warhead configurations. Different numbers of warheads with different masses. The R-36M2 missile had about 5 different warhead configurations at the development stage, depending on the purpose and customer requirements. In addition, there is a different configuration of ABM defense defeat systems, etc. Oreshnik can definitely have several different configurations of the platform carrying the warheads.

. If we will leave the new physical principles hypothesis for a moment, making them smaller won't pay off. wrote:

What are the hypotheses of new physical principles? The Columba effect?