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    Oreshnik missile system (IRBM)

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    Post  The-thing-next-door Fri Nov 22, 2024 7:50 pm

    If it is kinetic then it would make the most sense if the penetrators had a small bursting charge to distribute the energy over a wider area.
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    Post  LMFS Fri Nov 22, 2024 8:02 pm

    "There is a stock of such products": the president announced readiness to continue testing the Oreshnik MRBM in combat conditions

    The Russian President held a meeting with the head of the Ministry of Defense, senior officials of the Military-Industrial Commission, and developers of the latest weapons. The meeting was dedicated to the first combat test of a ballistic missile missiles medium-range "Oreshnik". Let us recall that early the previous morning, the Russian Armed Forces launched a strike with this hypersonic missile system on the industrial facilities of the Yuzhmash plant in Dnepropetrovsk.

    The Supreme Commander-in-Chief congratulated the participants of the meeting on the successful testing of the Oreshnik, noting that testing of such missiles will continue, including in combat conditions – in relation to emerging security threats.

    The head of state thanked the developers of Oreshnik, noting that it was created using modern technological principles.
    Vladimir Putin:

    One way or another, a number of weapons emerged from the ideas and developments of the Soviet period, however, this system is not a modernization of old Soviet systems, but is the result of the work of Russian specialists of the new era.

    According to Vladimir Putin, Russia has a stock of ready-to-use products like Oreshnik. The President noted that the decision on serial production of such ballistic missiles has been made.

    This is a kind of response to the representatives of the Kyiv regime, who today announced that allegedly it was not the Oreshnik that was used at all, but either the Kedr or Rubezh, and that “Russia had only two such missiles and used one up.” At one time, Kyiv said the same thing about other Russian weapons.

    The president also announced that Russia is developing a whole line of medium- and shorter-range missiles, and that the Oreshnik is an integral part of this line. The head of state emphasized that this weapon It is not strategic, nor is it a weapon of mass destruction, but it will be used by the Strategic Missile Forces.

    https://en.topwar.ru/254265-zapas-takih-izdelij-imeetsja-prezident-soobschil-o-gotovnosti-prodolzhat-ispytanija-brsd-oreshnik-v-boevyh-uslovijah.html

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Fri Nov 22, 2024 8:41 pm

    Beyond the Pioneer antecedents (and other similar Soviet-era systems) I believe that the Russians have developed a new missile.
    At most they will have used technology that they already had in some of their most recent developments, such as the RS-26 Rubezh or something similar.
    With several parallel developments (and a lot of experience) it should not have been difficult to create a new weapon.
    Just as was done with the Sarmat.

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Fri Nov 22, 2024 8:42 pm

    The front pages of Western publications reacted "in panic" to Vladimir Putin's statement about the Oreshnik missile strike on Ukraine.

    The Russian leader's words were perceived in the West as a direct threat to the US and Great Britain.



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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Fri Nov 22, 2024 8:43 pm

    Vladimir Putin Puts US and West 'On Notice' with State-Of-The-Art Missile Strike

    As Russian President Vladimir Putin lamented the use of Western long-range missiles against Russia, retired CIA intelligence officer and State Department official Larry Johnson points out that the missiles would fall under the now-defunct INF Treaty.
    “Recall that there was the intermediate range nuclear forces treaty that was signed. It came into effect with Ronald Reagan and Mikhail Gorbachev back in December of 1987,” Johnson tells Sputnik. “And that treaty dealt with ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, missile launchers with a range of 500 to 1000km, ie short-medium range and 1000 to 5500 are called intermediate range.”
    According to him, the recent missile strike against the city of Dnepropetrovsk in Ukraine was President Putin’s way of sending a message to the West and to the United States who earlier “unilaterally abrogated” the INF Treaty.
    “The fact that the United States unilaterally abrogated this treaty, I think Vladimir Putin was putting the United States and the West on notice, ‘okay, you abrogated that treaty. Now, let us show you what we have’,” Johnson elaborates.
    The aforementioned strike on Dnepropetrovsk, he says, shows that Russia “developed both a short-medium range and an intermediate range ballistic missile with MIRV capability, which refers to multiple independent reentry vehicles so that one missile can carry a warhead with multiple warheads that can disperse.”

    “What makes this particularly interesting is this is a hypersonic so this travels at a speed that no Western air defense system is capable of stopping,” Johnson adds. “So Vladimir Putin in destroying this one defense facility in Dnepropetrovsk was sending a very clear message to the West that more will follow. We'll see if the West backs down now or not.”

    https://sputnikglobe.com/20241121/vladimir-putin-puts-us-and-west-on-notice-with-state-of-the-art-missile-strike-1120957371.html

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Fri Nov 22, 2024 8:43 pm

    This is what the fragments of the new Russian ballistic missile "Oreshnik" found today in the Dnieper look like. From them, we can already understand something about the new missile. For example, from the serial number of the product in the first photo, we can establish that the same parts were used in the R-30 "Bulava-30" intercontinental missile in 2013, noted Radio Liberty journalist Mark Krutov. At that time, part number 306577.095 was produced on a Swiss milling machine Fehlmann Picomax 54.-Astra

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Fri Nov 22, 2024 8:44 pm

    Here is the Western position on the issue.

    Obviously, it must be taken with a grain of salt, given where it comes from and how influential this type of media is to US/NATO government propaganda.


    Russia’s Unprecedented Ballistic Missile Attack On Ukraine: What We Know
    Russia has used a more capable ballistic missile than ever before to strike Ukraine with what appear to be multiple warheads.

    https://www.twz.com/news-features/russias-unprecedented-ballistic-missile-attack-on-ukraine-what-we-know

    Russia’s Experimental Ballistic Missile Used To Strike Ukraine Is Based On The RS-26 Rubezh
    Details are emerging about Russia's new 'Oreshnik' ballistic missile and its genesis.

    https://www.twz.com/land/russias-experimental-ballistic-missile-used-to-strike-ukraine-is-based-on-the-rs-26-rubezh

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Fri Nov 22, 2024 8:44 pm

    ‼An emergency meeting of the Ukraine-NATO Council will take place on November 26.

    The main topic is the consequences of the use of the new Russian missile "Oreshnik" in Ukraine.

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Fri Nov 22, 2024 8:45 pm

    Oreshnik hypersonic missile: Which countries can be reached?

    Russian social media is speculating on the alleged characteristics of the new Oreshnik missile system, tested in combat conditions as a response to NATO's aggressive actions and the use of Western weapons against Russia (https://t.me/geopolitics_live/37670).

    According to unofficial reports, the new Oreshnik medium-range hypersonic ballistic missile could be the successor to the Soviet-era Pioneer (RSD-10) missile system. The Pioneer was dismantled for scrap under the terms of the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty, signed in 1987 by the United States and the Soviet Union. This treaty mandated the elimination of all ground-launched ballistic and cruise missiles with ranges between 500 and 5,500 kilometers, leading to the destruction of approximately 2,692 missiles by 1991, including the Pioneer.

    In 2019, the United States, under President Donald Trump, unilaterally withdrew from the INF Treaty, raising concerns about regional and global stability. In response, Russian President Vladimir Putin warned that if the US deployed intermediate-range missiles in Europe, Russia would take reciprocal actions, stating, “If such systems are deployed in Europe, we will naturally have to respond in kind.”

    Presumed characteristics of the Oreshnik (based on Pioneer specifications):

    🌏 Type: Medium-range ballistic missile system with non-nuclear hypersonic capabilities

    🌏 Missile speed: Up to 12,250 km/h (Mach 10, or 2.5–3 kilometers per second)

    🌏 Launch range: Up to 5,000 kilometers

    🌏 Warhead power: 150 kt, with three to six warheads per missile

    Estimated flight times:

    🇬🇧 To the UK: 19 minutes

    🇧🇪 To Belgium: 14 minutes

    🇩🇪 To Germany: 11 minutes

    🇵🇱 To Poland: 8 minutes

    On Thursday, Putin emphasized that the US made a mistake by unilaterally withdrawing from the INF Treaty in 2019 under far-fetched pretexts.

    https://t.me/geopolitics_live/37758

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Fri Nov 22, 2024 8:45 pm

    🇷🇺 Kremlin Press Secretary Dmitry Peskov on Russia's use of the Oreshnik missile:

    🌏 Russia would prefer if Washington had paid attention to President Vladimir Putin's statements made prior to the Oreshnik test.

    🌏 There has been no contact with the current US administration following the Oreshnik test.

    🌏 Russia’s military is working on mechanisms to notify Ukraine’s civilian population in the event of plans for new ballistic missile strikes.

    🌏 President Putin's main message is that the reckless decisions made by the West to supply missiles to Ukraine cannot go unanswered.

    🌏 Russia has demonstrated its capabilities to respond to Western actions by using ballistic missiles.


    https://t.me/geopolitics_live/37777

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Fri Nov 22, 2024 8:45 pm

    Oreshnik Intermediate-Range Ballistic Missile: What do we know about #Russia’s ‘Hazel’ IRBM?

    Unprecedented Speed: Hypersonic missiles boast speeds of up to 12,250 km/h, capable of reaching targets from Russia to the #UK in 19 minutes, #Belgium in 14, #Germany in 11, and #Poland in just eight

    Extended Range and Payload: With a range of up to 5,000 km, the missile can carry a #nuclear warhead, delivering a 150-kiloton payload. Each missile may contain 3-6 warheads, each with individual guidance

    Advanced Technology: The solid-fuel, hypersonic missile employs individual guidance for each warhead, enhancing its accuracy and destructive power

    Comparison to ICBMs: While an Intercontinental Ballistic Missile (#ICBM) from Russia could take approximately 40 minutes to reach a #US target, this #HypersonicMissile significantly reduces flight time, underscoring its enhanced threat

    Minimal Warning Time: The missile's speed and range allow it to strike with minimal warning, highlighting its potential for devastating surprise attacks

    https://x.com/AmmarKh12669255/status/1859837887291793596

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Fri Nov 22, 2024 8:46 pm

    The "Oreshnik" has levelled things out a bit, but not completely. We definitely need a couple more convincing strikes, and only then can we drop the tension a little bit. Because then it's up to us to do, not just to them.

    https://x.com/Agdchan/status/1859940909762363628

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Fri Nov 22, 2024 8:46 pm

    💬 Russia’s use of Oreshnik missile is a grave warning to NATO amid danger of a world war – analysts

    Russia’s strike on a Ukrainian defense facility using its new Oreshnik hypersonic medium-range ballistic missile is a “a serious warning to NATO,” Robinson Farinazzo, a retired Brazilian officer, told Sputnik.

    He underscored that US President Joe Biden crossed "a red line" by authorizing the Kiev regime to strike Russia with long-range American weapons. "Moscow is perfectly aware that this type of attack, technically difficult, can only be carried out with the support of NATO, in this case the US," he said.

    Other analysts agree:

    🌏 Washington is “provoking an escalation that completely changes the nature of the conflict,” military history expert Ricardo Cabral emphasized.

    🌏 The US allowing Kiev to use long-range weapons is "a continued psychological offensive" to test Moscow's tolerance, Venezuelan analyst Vladimir Adrianza noted, adding that the dangerous stage of the conflict stems from the “voracious appetite of the US military, financial and technological complex.”

    🌏 Moscow has every right to defend itself against NATO's “sinister and criminal actions," noted Humberto Morales, professor at the Autonomous University of Puebla, Mexico.

    🌏 President Vladimir Putin has clearly conveyed the message that current events on the international arena demonstrate the “suicidal and irresponsible behavior by the West which threatens total destruction,” Lebanese political scientist Hassan Hmadeh underscored, adding, "The world must stand up to these evil people who are determined to destroy the planet, and the response must be commensurate with their actions."

    🌏 Washington's approval for Kiev to use US-made missiles is intended to force Donald Trump’s future administration to “operate in geopolitical chaos,” Venezuelan international relations expert Wilmer Depablos said.

    🌏 With less than two months to go before the transfer of power, Biden is trying to make it as difficult as possible for the next president to resolve the Ukraine crisis, Iranian political scientist Emad Abshenas believes.

    🌏 Putin's order to use the Oreshnik missile is “a warning to NATO countries amid the growing threat of a world war,” Chinese pundit Sima Pingbang explained, going on to say that the Kiev regime has become “an obstacle to peace” and that “Biden and Zelensky are unable to accept Moscow's victory."

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Fri Nov 22, 2024 8:49 pm

    The thread I created on this same topic should be deleted, so that there are no duplicates.

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    Post  Kiko Fri Nov 22, 2024 9:56 pm

    Putin says Oreshnik missile system cutting-edge innovation by Russia, not Soviet byproduct, 11.22.2024.

    The Russian Defence Ministry announced earlier in the day that the country’s latest Oreshnik intermediate-range ballistic missile hit all the targets at a major Ukrainian military-industrial enterprise in Dnepr (Dnepropetrovsk) with its MIRVed warheads.

    MOSCOW, November 22. /TASS/. Russia’s Oreshnik hypersonic intermediate-range ballistic missile system is not an upgraded version of previous versions dating back from the Soviet times, and it is in the line of the latest and modern developments, Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Friday.

    "The Oreshnik system has nothing to do with the modernization of the old Soviet systems," Putin said.

    "It is obvious that we were all raised watching various systems of the Soviet Union operating, we were all brought up on what was done by previous generations, and to a certain extent we used their results," Putin said.

    "However, this system is indeed the prime result of your work, the work that was done in Russian times, under the conditions of the new Russia, it was waged on the basis of modern, latest developments," Putin said addressing the meeting with the Defense Ministry executive board, representatives of the military-industrial complex and missile weapon designers.

    The Russian Defense Ministry announced earlier in the day that the country’s latest Oreshnik intermediate-range ballistic missile hit all the targets at a major Ukrainian military-industrial enterprise in Dnepr (Dnepropetrovsk) with its MIRVed warheads.

    "On November 21, 2024, in response to the use of American-and British-made long-range missiles against facilities on Russian territory, the Armed Forces delivered a combined strike on one of the Ukrainian military-industrial sites in Dnepropetrovsk. For the first time, the Oreshnik hypersonic intermediate-range ballistic missile with a non-nuclear payload was employed in combat conditions in the strike. The goal of the strike was achieved. All the warheads hit the facility," the ministry said in a statement.

    On November 19, Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree approving the Foundations of State Policy in the Field of Nuclear Deterrence, the country’s updated nuclear doctrine.

    The fundamental principle of the doctrine is that the use of nuclear weapons is a measure of last resort to protect the country’s sovereignty.

    The emergence of new military threats and risks prompted Russia to clarify the conditions for the use of nuclear weapons. In particular, the amended doctrine expands the range of countries and military alliances subject to nuclear deterrence, as well as the list of military threats that such deterrence is designed to counter.

    In addition, the document states that Russia will now view any attack by a non-nuclear country supported by a nuclear power as a joint attack. Moscow also reserves the right to consider a nuclear response to a conventional weapons attack threatening its sovereignty, a large-scale launch of enemy aircraft, missiles, and drones targeting Russian territory, their crossing of the Russian border, and an attack on its ally Belarus.

    https://tass.com/defense/1876583

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Fri Nov 22, 2024 10:00 pm

    Why US and its NATO allies can't intercept Russia's Oreshnik missiles

    “The unique feature of the Oreshnik missile system is that, firstly, it is a medium-range missile – it flies to a distance of 1,000 km to 5,500 km – and secondly, it is hypersonic, flying at a speed of Mach 10,” retired Russian Army colonel and military analyst Viktor Litovkin told Sputnik.

    Mach 10, or 10 times the speed of sound, equates to 3 km per second, the pundit noted. There is not a single air defense or missile defense system in the world capable of intercepting those hypersonic missiles, Litovkin stressed.

    “The West does not have missiles that fly at such a speed or hypersonic missiles at all," the pundit continued. "Although the US has repeatedly boasted that it has such missiles, they have never demonstrated a missile flight.”

    “They appeared to show missiles that flew at a supersonic speed of 5.5 times the speed of sound or Mach 5.5. However, hypersonic speed begins at Mach 6-7."

    The missile’s operating principle is similar to that demonstrated by the Kinzhal hypersonic missile, which is launched by the supersonic MiG-31K aircraft, or the Avangard hypersonic system's glide vehicle accelerated by the UR-100N UТТKh intercontinental ballistic missile, the expert explained.

    The missile is also equipped with multiple warheads, the expert pointed out.

    "The missile accelerates its entire warhead to hypersonic speed with the separating blocks flying to the target also at hypersonic speed," Litovkin said.

    Some military experts assume that the new Russian missile could carry at least six multiple independently-targeted re-entry vehicles (MIRVs).

    They suggest that it would take an extremely short time for the medium-range Oreshnik missile to reach key NATO targets in Europe. According to some estimates, the missile could reach the US Aegis Ashore missile base in Redzikowo, Poland in eight to 11 minutes.

    https://t.me/geopolitics_live/37805

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    Post  Hole Fri Nov 22, 2024 10:59 pm

    I would think with Kinzhal and Tsirkon Russia already had more than enough to finish off a CVN basically anywhere in the globe, though this is one additional tool.
    Oreshnik has an advantage in range.

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    Russia’s Experimental Ballistic Missile
    Not experimental. As the Russian President stated, this was the operational test = first use in combat.
    But the missile was tested before, propably multiple times.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Nov 22, 2024 11:57 pm

    Ripped from MoA

    "Reminder: Hypersonic missiles are shrouded in plasma when traveling through atmosphere. Plasma absorbs radio waves (radar) like there is no tomorrow, rendering hypersonic missiles largely invisible to radar (doppler radar can detect atmospheric disturbances from these missiles' passage, but not see the missiles themselves). These missiles came in at a fairly low angle, so they might not have left the atmosphere. 

    If so, then they would have been "cloaked" in plasma through their entire flight. They would have to be detected and tracked optically. I realize some people like to ascribe god-like omniscience to American spy satellites, but they cannot optically watch every square meter of the Earth's surface every second of the day with sufficient resolution to track missiles. Radar is necessary for that, and radar doesn't work well with hypersonics.

    Point being that the Yuzhmash attack could have been a complete surprise, in that nothing was seen coming. That should make the NATOadies nervous.

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    Post  Kiko Sat Nov 23, 2024 12:18 am

    Putin announced the development of a line of medium- and shorter-range missiles in Russia, by Valeria Gorodetskaya for VZGLYAD. 11.22.2024.

    Russia is developing several medium- and shorter-range missile systems, which are planned to be launched into serial production after testing, President Vladimir Putin said.

    At a meeting with the leadership of the Ministry of Defense, the military-industrial complex and missile weapons developers, the head of state emphasized that in addition to the Oreshnik system, Russia is working on several similar systems that are in the preparation stage for further testing.

    "It is also important that in addition to the Oreshnik system, several similar systems are currently being developed for further testing in Russia. Based on the results of the testing, this weapon will also go into production. That is, we are developing a whole line of medium- and shorter-range systems," the Kremlin website quotes Putin as saying.

    https://vz.ru/news/2024/11/22/1299396.html

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Nov 23, 2024 1:16 am

    On DouXing, the Chinese parent version of Tiktok, is a Russian video claimed to be the launch of the missile. This is it on Youtube.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sat Nov 23, 2024 1:45 am

    JohninMK wrote:On DouXing, the Chinese parent version of Tiktok, is a Russian video claimed to be the launch of the missile. This is it on Youtube.

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    Post  George1 Sat Nov 23, 2024 2:32 am

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    Post  caveat emptor Sat Nov 23, 2024 4:30 am

    JohninMK wrote:On DouXing, the Chinese parent version of Tiktok, is a Russian video claimed to be the launch of the missile. This is it on Youtube.

    ?feature=share

    This is not Oreshnik launch. Kapustin Yar is a very barren area, practically a semi desert, and not a forest. Also, launch happened during the night.

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    Post  xeno Sat Nov 23, 2024 4:35 am

    Of course it is not.
    It is the usual stuff made up by Chinese idiots on Douying...

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Nov 23, 2024 6:44 am

    JohninMK wrote:Ripped from MoA

    If so, then they would have been "cloaked" in plasma through their entire flight. They would have to be detected and tracked optically.

    Optical tracking assumes clear skies for visibility but vids show that Dnepropetrovsk had cloudy skies on the night of the strike and the incoming vehicles couldn't be seen until a split second until they broke through the cloud cover.  Satellites could detect the passage of the missile for early warning purposes but AFAIK a satellite can optically track a missile but can't accurately measure altitude and can't therefore determine trajectory.  Any ground based "defenses" that rely on optical or conventional radar tracking would be useless.

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