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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri Nov 22, 2024 4:24 am

    Lancelot what you said literally has nothing to do with what I said.

    Are you serious lol, do you. Do you not know what a MIRV is? It's a decoy warhead meant to confuse AD.

    Hard for people here to Read before they speak,, I guess.

    Also if you attack silos, we launch everything else. Your fucking retarded if you think Russia can attack silos and nothing will happen

    The level of crazy that inhabits this forum is next level


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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri Nov 22, 2024 4:27 am

    And phat you can try to misrepresent what I said all you want, doesn't make me wrong.

    Your whiney little ass makes me grin tho
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    Post  PhSt Fri Nov 22, 2024 4:42 am

    SLUTSoyloyNlGGER wrote:
    And phat you can try to misrepresent what I said



    Two months is up TWATHOLE. Putin offered Oreshnik instead Laughing


    SLUTSoyloyNlGGER wrote:
    Your whiney little ass makes me grin tho

    Your face is on permanent grin cause you're a Freak so no need to find an excuse boy Laughing Laughing

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri Nov 22, 2024 4:47 am

    I have already covered that remark, watching you act like a little bitch over fact is halirous.

    Putin was Trying to make a back room deals then as even reported by the Russians.

    You can lie and deny all you want, you can look it up.

    And keep acting like the racist clown you are
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    Post  PhSt Fri Nov 22, 2024 4:48 am

    SLUTSoyloyNlGGER wrote:
    The level of crazy that inhabits this forum is next level

    Another sloppy alibi to excuse your poor level of comprehension Laughing

    SLUTSoyloyNlGGER wrote:
    Do you not know what a MIRV is? It's a decoy warhead meant to confuse AD.

    An MIRV can either be a Decoy or a REAL warhead. DlCKHEAD

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    Post  PhSt Fri Nov 22, 2024 4:53 am

    SLUTSoyloyNlGGER wrote:
    I give it two months and Putin will be back to offering backroom deals,


    Two months is up, there was no Deal. You're Butthurt cause I exposed you as a LIAR and a CHARLATAN  Laughing


    SLUTSoyloyNlGGER wrote:
    You can lie and deny all you want, you can look it up.

    Waste of time. Two Months is up, there is no Deal. Suck it up LIAR


    SLUTSoyloyNlGGER wrote:
    And keep acting like the racist clown you are

    There is no racism. You are simply Delusional

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri Nov 22, 2024 4:54 am

    It was a decoy MIRV, man child there was no warheads loaded.

    Lol your pathetic S grade pathetic, that's the best you got?.

    Go take you meds and you can love all the insults you want, it doesn't bother me. But I will report you for the blatant racists remarks you constantly make.

    May as well find out if racism is banned or not here,


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    Post  higurashihougi Fri Nov 22, 2024 4:57 am

    @Garry: My apologize if my question has been answered somewhere, but if a member happened to make wrong format about quoting... how much time he is provided to fix his post before he is banned ? Or as soon as the min and mod detected it will be an immediate ban ?

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri Nov 22, 2024 5:00 am

    higurashihougi wrote:@Garry: My apologize if my question has been answered somewhere, but if a member happened to make wrong format about quoting... how much time he is provided to fix his post before he is banned ? Or as soon as the min and mod detected it will be an immediate ban ?

    You would think calls for Genocide and open racism would get you banned here, Funny that's okay but not miss using quote system
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    Post  PhSt Fri Nov 22, 2024 5:05 am

    SLUTSoyloyNlGGER wrote:
    It was a decoy MIRV, man child there was no warheads loaded.

    OH WOW Were you on site to confirm there is no destruction of the impacted area? Or are you just basing your opinion on grainy videos taken several kilometers from the impact site? You speak as if what you say are indisputable facts DUH


    Ohh and read what you just said,

    SLUTSoyloyNlGGER wrote:
    Do you not know what a MIRV is? It's a decoy warhead meant to confuse AD.

    Your sentence clearly implies that an MIRV is a Decoy. Now you are DESPERATE to avoid another HUMILIATION by saying "Oh there was no Warhead"   What a Face     You cant fool us you LYING buffoon Laughing

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri Nov 22, 2024 5:08 am

    No I called it a warhead you dumb ****, but it is was a decoy warhead without the explosives . I probably could have worded that better sure, typed quicky on my phone.
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    Post  PhSt Fri Nov 22, 2024 5:08 am

    SLUTSoyloyNlGGER wrote:
    You would think calls for Genocide and open racism would get you banned here, Funny that's okay but not miss using quote system

    You are just upset because you're called out for your obnoxious TROLLING Rolling Eyes
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    Post  PhSt Fri Nov 22, 2024 5:10 am


    SLUTSoyloyNlGGER wrote:
    typed quicky on my phone.

    Yeah Right more Excuse to save face and hope people won't notice your embarrassing situation Laughing Laughing

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    Post  GarryB Fri Nov 22, 2024 5:22 am

    Wrong. This changes the whole strategic calculus for NATO, because Russia apparently already has a tool to replace INF prohibited missiles and can with great effectiveness hit great numbers of targets all across Europe. If it is what it seems (we do not know yet), Russia decided to break their good will moratorium on such missiles and that inevitably increases risks for the US lapdogs in the continent, which still have some military planers and can understand very well what this means, in case they are tempted to scale up provocations to the point where they are not just a nuisance anymore.


    From what I have read this is a prototype new IRBM and this was a test. This system is not deployed and wont be deployed until the US deploys missiles that would have violated the INF treaty if it was still in effect.

    Essentially Putin is saying that when the US puts cruise missiles in Germany they are going to start production and deployment of an OPERATIONALLY tested IRBM system.

    NATO is firing cruise missiles into Russia, it's irrelevant from whose territory, hence it has already become a target. And that's not all that NATO will do - it's following a pattern of escalation that was clear from the start; and each subsequent step will be more blatant and belligerent.

    Cruise missile launches are not the only thing they will be doing, they will be gathering up as many Russian bits of kit they can get their hands on for testing and evaluating and they will likely be interrogating pilots and prisoners to get information too. They are probably sending their own special forces in to get experience on actual missions no doubt...

    Our leaders are indecisive and walking their own rhetoric back while the Western leaders are full of misplaced confidence that they can box Russia into accepting a capitulation. Unfortunately it will all end in disaster. The only way to resolve this situation is for Russia to start escalating back, and hard.

    You confuse cautious and sensible with indecisive. Russia has not begged anyone for talks or negotiations and when the terms don't allow them to reach their goals they are not talking.

    Trump thinks he can give a deal they can't refuse and if they do refuse he will pump money and weapons and ammo like you have never seen... but that just creates more targets for Russia and Kievs problem isn't a lack of weapons or ammo... it is a lack of trained Motivated men. Money and ammo and weapons wont change that.

    They are going to eat themselves... support and supply for a military force even fighting on home turf requires men... when they get short they will start sending rear area guys to the front line... pilots and trainers and others have already been sent... as they send even more men to the front things in supply and the society will start to collapse if the front line doesn't collapse first.

    It always had the capability it just never demonstrated the balls hence this capability is worthless when it comes to deterring the West from escalation right here and now.

    It had the capability with an ICBM but AFAIK they have nuclear payloads and are unlikely to be wasted with conventional warheads.

    This is a new IRBM prototype getting live testing... and doing rather well by the look of it... they hit that factory from one end to the other.

    To scare the shit out of the westerners with Rubezh, and finally throwing 20+ NK pipes at some target 600 km away - I would call that a double tap

    Even better, it was a new IRBM so scaring the shit out of westerners and testing a prototype IRBM... it might make Biden roll back the permission, and it also might stop US plans for cruise missiles in Germany too...

    I am an adult
    And I would very much prefer to avoid WW3

    You just don't seem to understand what's going on, instead choosing to live in a fantasy while gatekeeping what Russia should do in response to its servicemen (and soon civilians no doubt) being killed.
    Go turn the other cheek on your own dime, not ours.

    As an adult do you understand that when dealing with arrogant immature children armed with real firearms and explosives that you have to ride a fine line between not enough and too much to avoid catastrophe?

    And most crucially of all - unless the Russian leadership gets serious about showing NATO its place, and soon, what we will be looking at is a mass conventional war between Russia and NATO, it won't be avoided.

    Economically most HATO countries are not in good shape and their populations are voting these war mongers out and replacing them with less hostile people... eventually their politicians are going to get a clue of what their people actually want and to get and keep power they are going to have to learn to say no to the US.

    I would say if any HATO country decides to send troops to Ukraine will lead to protests in that country... if not to start with, then certainly when all the body bags start arriving because Russia is hardly going to spare them... they will make an example of them because it is they that are driving this war and what kept it going this long.

    The West knows what it was. If the Korean shit MLRS, they laugh, if the conventional RS 26, they may have concerns. Hit the entire EU conventionally at a speed of 6 km/s. MLRS does not impress anyone.

    A prototype IRBM with conventional warheads fitted... they don't need to be conventional.

    Second of all, there are no NATO facilities in the Ukraine. They have declared none. But NATO certainly is hitting Russian facilities on Russian territory

    Of course there are no HATO facilities in Ukraine... those bio weapons labs and mobile labs... they copied Saddams made up mobile bio weapons labs... and those CIA rendition sites are not there either of course... funny you believe the west so much.

    If Russia accepts such then they are creating a rod for its own back.

    Putin and Lavrov have said publicly they are open for talks but any freeze or ceasefire so Kiev can rearm and reequip is not acceptable and will not be agreed to.

    The main question is the rate of stockpiling missiles so massive as RS26 is.
    It is practically a continent theatre ICBM that won't be much less expensive than Yars.
    Still a serious overkill I would say.

    They are testing the prototype for a weapon they will deploy when the US deploys cruise missiles to Germany like they are planning to do.

    I really don't like this situation. Now long range missiles are fired. Somebody has shit in his pants this morning, when blip has appeared on the early warning screen. When does this escalation circle calm down? Hopefully soon.

    This is an excellent response, it reminds Europe that Russia is now developing IRBMs because of decisions and actions by their partner the US of A. US missiles going to be based in Germany next year or the year after. Well those subsonic Tomahawk cruise missiles pale in insignificance with IRBMs with this level of precision... a level of precision redundant in real use because they will spread the payload over a much wider area and each warhead will be nuclear.

    Putin announced, adding that the missile has been named Oreshnik (Walnut orchard).

    Yandex translates it as Hazel.

    “It would also get the relationship with the incoming Trump administration off to a very dangerous start.”

    How could Trump blame Putin for responding to shit moves by a petty vindictive Biden on his way out... that old prick should go to jail for this.

    If Trump wants Russia to calm down he knows what he has to do... leave Europe.

    The Oreshnik missile demonstrates impressive precision. It's remarkable that Russia developed such a sophisticated weapon in such a short timeframe. While the Iskander was effective, the purpose of the Oreshnik remains unclear to me.

    Their weapons are already precise... this fills the gap created by the US withdrawal from the INF treaty banning missiles with flight ranges of between 500km and 5,000km. The Iskander has extended its range to 1,000km and this weapon will have a range of between 500km and 5,000km to fill the gap between short range missiles (SRBM and SRCM) and intercontinental missiles (ICBMs and ICCMs).

    Perhaps Russia is gauging its military-industrial complex's ability to rapidly innovate and deploy new MRBMs

    The US said it was going to base long range cruise missiles in Germany over the next few years... this new missile is a response to that... it means Russia will be able to hit targets in Europe and Asia (japan and SK and perhaps Australia) without needing to use their strategic nuclear missiles.

    A lot of Soviet programs came to an abrupt halt with the INF Treaty, but the know-how and technology remained. I'm guessing that the Oreshnik could be heavily based on the Skoroghod IRBM of that era. It was a very compact IRBM loosely based on the Pioneer.

    New technology and new designs as well as old designs can be taken out and computer tested and modelled and they can try all sorts of things.

    I think the US and EU are going to blink and even if the US doesn't the EU will likely demand the removal of all medium and intermediate range missiles from Europe if Russia will do the same. Of course Russia will just move them to the far north for use against Canada and the far east against Japan and SK and Alaska... I can't see the US giving them up... even as inferior as they are now.

    Impossible to descalate now. From both sides. Prepare for the worst.

    I don't agree... I would wager US personal in the Ukraine will be ordered to not give the codes and guidance information for weapons aimed at anything inside Russian territory. The orcs will still launch long range drone strikes but I suspect no more ATACMS or storm shadows... but if they do it will be interesting to see where they test this new system next.

    It is crystal clear now, that NONE was a cartoon - all being a mature and fielded weapon systems, some of them battle proven.
    Now, he shows NEW systems, even better than the ones back then...

    Better than that.... he went down to the lab for their equivalent of Q and said what have you got in testing... and he walks over and points to an IRBM that is ready for a test... and he says... OK the test target is in the Ukraine in the place they made SS-18 Satan rockets...

    Russia just unveiled the Oreshnik, but the west has nothing to worry about - they still have the Copperhead

    Just that name Copperhead, sends shivers down my spine... reminds me of the 1980s when I was reading about how awful it was in British magazines like Combat and Survival, and War Machine... and the American Soldier of Fortune.


    The kinetic warhead was probably used for demonstration purposes. I wonder what the scale of the destruction is. They don't want to show much. Rolling Eyes Such a warhead probably won't destroy a heavily reinforced target?

    At the speeds it was moving a HE warhead wouldn't be much more effective and being lighter would slow down rather quicker.

    Solid penetrator warheads would not slow down very much in the atmosphere at all.

    This is an IRBM, it will be kinetic warheads or it will be nuclear warheads and we are not anywhere near justifying those just yet.

    A kinetic warhead will penetrate deep into multilevel basements and bunkers at a speed that shrapnel will be lethal.

    It was an ICBM with a MIRV, there was no massive kinetic punch, nothing like that.

    It was a prototype IRBM and accelerating metal to 3km per second is only the sort of thing a rather large HE charge can do normally.

    If kinetic weapons were useless then the US wouldn't have been talking about them the last 50 years.

    Putin clearly ordered warheads removed (lol how nice of him to coddle Ukriane) and attached MIRVS to it as his show of force

    The only MIRVS they would have would be nuclear. These are clearly new kinetic warheads... made viable because of the accuracy of the weapon and the use of multiple warheads to spread the damage around a bit.

    I guess you need to use your common sense.
    It is not about "how many are allowed" but what it brings to the conversation.
    This one is trimmed and focused.

    My take is a conversation is between two members, so if you post a quote with two different members talking... a comment and a response... that is a conversation.

    Otherwise everyone will say they didn't think it was a conversation and thought it was OK.

    Because of the potential confusion I have fixed it for you... no ban this time.


    Oh how nice of him, defacto warning the Military also.

    Gives them all the time in the world to get out

    He said he would warn civilians if they could be in danger from an attack... like an ORC HQ in amongst residential housing for instance.

    With this sort of weapon hitting an airfield with 6 x 100kg+ solid metal warheads moving at 3km/s second is going to destroy runways and foundations down a significant depth... in fact they could probably go for 30 x 20kg metal penetrators that don't dig down so deep but would still fracture concrete foundations down quite a distance, making repairs interesting... especially if a Kh-101 comes in and drops mines to make the repair a bit more dangerous.

    Most Ukies workshop's are in underground areas, that said lobbing these at power stations with actual warhead's and not MIRVs would be a good start.

    Conventional weapons are already doing that, likely much cheaper and easier.

    This new system is a prototype for testing... they might have a dozen or so, which means they will use it when they think they need to and it is the sort of weapon that Kiev is unlikely to be able to do very much about even with plenty of warning.

    Why do the poor saps on the outskirts always have to feel the brunt of it for the decisions being made in Kiev ? While life goes on like in any other European city, in Kiev.

    The target was a factory that during the cold war made SS-18 missiles and is currently making weapons of war like rockets. Compared with empty buildings, this was a very useful target to take on.

    Lmao so funny Russia has rods of God and the west has… dial a yield lmfao

    They also seem rather advanced in drone swarms controlled by AI too... very funny.

    Striking a facility used to make weapons is fine, the big question is why wasn't this done the second they found out about it.

    If they took the time to get detailed intel on the site and worked out where the heavy equipment is and specifically targeted that heavy equipment then they needed a powerful penetrator or kinetic warhead for the job... four or five missiles with 6 heavy penetrators each means 24-30 Kinzhal missile launches...

    Cute fantasy, once Russia and NATO start trading conventional blows, the nukes coming eventually.

    But Russias blows are likely to hit the target, whereas HATO blows might hit S-400s in flight and not do any damage at all.

    Who wants to put on a flight suit and fly an F-35 to Moscow to teach those damn Russians a lesson?

    Acting like this missile changes thing's is delusional, the Russians already have longer range stuff.

    A missile of this range with conventional payloads is not something they have had in terms of ballistic missiles.

    Is it a nuke or kinetic.. wait to find out...

    This is really going to upset EU countries thanks to the US ripping up the INF treaty this will be a new feeling.

    How will claims that US AD systems will protect them go down?

    Up until now there has been no problem because they had no weapon in that gap... now they are testing it for real.

    A BM with 6 warheads, i don't get the hype

    It is an IRBM that fills the empty space between Iskander and ICBMs. An accurate missile system moving too fast to intercept because it will also manouver too... likely not a scramjet, more likely just conventional rocket. Small heavy metal penetrators will not slow down in the earths atmosphere very much at all so they probably fly through the air at mach 10 or so and come in at mach 10... the shape and weight will determine terminal velocity and that is the speed it will fall at eventually if there is enough atmosphere to slow it down that much.

    Asteroids hitting the earth surface moving at 20km/s are too large to slow down so they impact the earth at near that speed because there is not enough atmosphere to slow it down... it will heat up, but no slow down much.

    Some snowballs might explode in the atmosphere but a metal rich asteroid is coming in super fast.

    It was Putin basically fiirng a nice like nothing shot to look tough

    A kinetic warhead is not for show... Russia does not do for show shock and awe faggoty bullshit that the west loves to inflict on others.

    A ship or even perhaps a sub near the surface or a factory with heavy machinery or even a runway or bunker complex getting multiple large holes punched through it is a type of warhead that is useful if you have accuracy and it seems to have accuracy.

    or any ABM/PAC 3 installations , just installations. With warming

    The cool thing is that ICBM and SLBM test launches require notification, but MRBM and IRBM launches don't.

    Do you not know what a MIRV is? It's a decoy warhead meant to confuse AD.

    No it isn't. It is a Multiple Independently targeted reentry vehicle. When a Satan carries 10 warheads it is said to have 10 MIRV warheads. It might have 50 decoys and jammers, but MIRVs are what they call the nuclear warheads carried by ballistic missiles.

    If the warheads are not targeted individually they are called MRVs, or multiple reentry vehicles that are released and land in a pattern around the aim point to damage a large area target like a city with multiple nuclear explosions. If the warheads can manouver then they are called MaRVs... manouverable reentry vehicles... the fact that they can hit widely separate targets is implied.

    An MIRV can either be a Decoy or a REAL warhead. DlCKHEAD

    A MIRV is a warhead. Decoys don't need to be guided or targeted...

    It was a decoy MIRV, man child there was no warheads loaded.

    Those were not decoys, those were kinetic warheads... decoys are stacked shells that appear to be warheads in space so interception means picking the balloons from the metal warheads.. they carry so many decoys because they are stacked like road cones. Decoys have tiny mass and rapidly slow down when they reach the atmosphere like a balloon would.

    @Garry: My apologize if my question has been answered somewhere, but if a member happened to make wrong format about quoting... how much time he is provided to fix his post before he is banned ? Or as soon as the min and mod detected it will be an immediate ban ?

    Till I see it normally, but in this case I am giving some slack till this post goes up and members understand my position and reasoning... repeat... quote more than one persons comments and that is a conversation...

    You would think calls for Genocide and open racism would get you banned here, Funny that's okay but not miss using quote system

    Genocide and racism is why this conflict started and the US and the entire west was just fine when the victims were Russians.

    The west cycles through bad guys like they do in their terrible movies... Iraqis, Serbs, Russians, Georgians, Hungarians... the Afghans went from heroes fighting off the Soviets to goat fuckers getting in the way of womens rights and democracy.... Iraqis were heroes for fighting Iran in the 1980s and then their name became dirt when they looked like they were going to take Kuwaiti oil and shared a border with Saudi Arabia... the risk was too great so the ally that sold them cheap oil to get them through the energy crisis a few decades before became enemy number one.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri Nov 22, 2024 6:27 am

    Ah so racism and calls from for genocide are okay now, see that's all I wanted know. Now I won't call PHST out for breaking such rules because they don't exist

    Just don't ban anyone If they Make such remarks on the Russians, after all of one aise can do it both can.

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    Post  pavi Fri Nov 22, 2024 6:42 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Do you not know what a MIRV is? It's a decoy warhead meant to confuse AD.

    Hard for people here to Read before they speak,, I guess.
    MIRV = https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIRV
    Obviously you should read first something before edutating anyone.

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    Post  Arrow Fri Nov 22, 2024 6:50 am

    Do you not know what a MIRV is? It's a decoy warhead meant to confuse AD. wrote:

    Laughing Laughing

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    Post  RTN Fri Nov 22, 2024 7:08 am

    Oreshnik is derived from the RS-26 Rubezh.

    Basically it a two stage (instead of three) version of the Rubezh.
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    Post  RTN Fri Nov 22, 2024 7:13 am

    GarryB wrote:The cool thing is that ICBM and SLBM test launches require notification, but MRBM and IRBM launches don't.
    Bullshit! Can't you see all these third world states like Pakistan, India issuing a NOTA several times a year before testing their MRBM and IRBM.
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    Post  Kiko Fri Nov 22, 2024 8:36 am

    A word to Oreshnik: Putin will not say anything more, by Kirill Strelnikov for RiaNovosti. 11.22.2024.

    In the conflict in Ukraine and in the area of ​​international security, the last page has apparently been opened, after which it will be written either "The End" or "And they lived happily ever after."

    Yesterday, November 21, 2024, the Russian Aerospace Forces struck one of the major military-industrial complex facilities in Dnepropetrovsk (located in the territory currently controlled by the Kiev regime). The effect of the strike, unlike the consequences of the use of currently known Russian military systems, caused poorly concealed panic in the collective West.

    Having given our enemies a chance to "marinate", Russian President Vladimir Putin made a short but meaningful statement that leaves no room for double interpretation, explaining in a popular way the background of what happened, as well as possible future developments.

    What was that?

    The strike was carried out by the latest Russian medium-range missile, the Oreshnik, against which the West, and especially Ukraine, have no defense and will not have in the foreseeable future. The missile was used in a non-nuclear version (for now). According to experts, the Oreshnik is a development of the RSD-10 Pioneer system: launch range is up to 5,000 kilometres; yield is 150 kilotons (200 Hiroshimas); probable deviation from the target is 50 metres (but this will no longer matter). Warhead speed: 10 Machs (two to three kilometers per second). Flight time: Great Britain - 19 minutes, Poland - eight minutes; Belgium - 14 minutes; Germany - 11 minutes. Cannot be shot down, cannot escape, cannot be saved.

    Why was the strike carried out?

    The conflict in Ukraine after the Western missile strike on Russia (on November 19 with six ATACMS missiles and on November 20 with Storm Shadow missiles) has acquired a global character: it is impossible to use such long-range weapons on our territory without Western specialists, which means that the countries in question have consciously become parties to the conflict with all the ensuing consequences. Russia has repeatedly (!) warned its Western "partners" about the inadmissibility of such steps, but the West has taken the path of escalation, which is why a final warning has become necessary.

    What does Russia want?

    Moscow prefers a peaceful development of events and consistently advocates de-escalation, including nuclear. Russia hopes that its final warning will be heard and that common sense and the instinct for self-preservation will prevail in the West. Russia is even now ready to negotiate a peaceful resolution to the conflict. Pick up the phone, press the buttons, say "hello".

    What will happen if Russia's warnings and calls are not heard?

    It will respond decisively and in kind to any escalation of the conflict, that is, there will be no more "asymmetric" responses, but 1000% symmetrical ones. Russia believes that it has the right to use weapons against military facilities of countries that use their weapons against it. "Military facilities" do not necessarily have to be located on the territory of the countries in question (for example, military bases, aircraft carriers, AWACS aircraft, satellite constellations, etc.), but the range of the same Oreshnik system is quite sufficient to hit targets anywhere in Europe . The Russian president said clearly and specifically: "If anyone doubts this, it is in vain. There will always be a response."

    Isn't Moscow afraid that in the event of an attack on NATO military facilities after a possible further provocation from Ukraine with the participation of Western specialists, the alliance will declare war on Russia?

    Not afraid. We are ready for any scenario. If anything, we will go to heaven as martyrs, and they will simply die like dogs. They think that they have stronger "Nuts" and can endlessly raise the stakes, but they are dangerously mistaken. The West bases its military doctrine on the theory of "unbearable damage" that must be inflicted on the other side for it to surrender. Our doctrine is simpler: if the existence of our state or its vital interests are at stake, we act as harshly as possible and without looking back (remember Crimea in 2014 and the beginning of the SVO in 2022, despite the fact that the West, contrary to its own propaganda, was completely confident that we would not go for it).

    How will a strike by Western missiles deep into Russian territory affect the situation in the SVO zone?

    No way. Or rather, no way in the sense that their organizers would like, and even the opposite - we will move forward even more decisively. These strikes will not prevent the achievement of the goals of the SVO.

    It is interesting that Russia warned the West 30 minutes in advance about the launch in automatic mode through the Nuclear Risk Reduction Center, although we have no such obligations - that is, it was a completely gentlemanly gesture. According to some Western observers, Kiev has not yet been turned into a desert, and Zelensky is still alive only "because of Putin's unearthly kindness, wisdom and endurance." Moreover, our president promised to warn the civilians of Ukraine in advance if repeated launches were suddenly necessary.

    On the positive side, some Western media personalities have raised the alarm about the increased likelihood of a nuclear conflict. For example, former leader of the British ruling party Jeremy Corbyn said: "The Prime Minister must immediately address Parliament to clarify whether the strikes were carried out by British missiles. He must say whether this means we are at war with a nuclear power, how great the risk is to the people of Britain, and why this happened without the approval of Parliament. We must do everything possible to de-escalate and bring peace. Political leaders are risking their lives for political gain. In the event of a nuclear war, there will be no winners."

    Meanwhile, the following signals are coming from Washington: "The US does not see any signs that Moscow is preparing to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine"; "Washington does not see the need to change its nuclear doctrine, despite Russia's new decisions of this kind"; "The US will continue to allocate new packages of weapons to Ukraine and work to speed up their delivery" and, most importantly, "The launch of a Russian missile will not have a restraining effect on Washington's policy towards Ukraine."

    Well, the Russian president said everything he wanted to say, and he has nothing more to add.

    Bank.

    https://ria.ru/20241122/oreshnik_putin-1985104980.html

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    Post  Kiko Fri Nov 22, 2024 9:10 am

    NATO countries missed a long-awaited blow, by Victoria Nikiforova for RiaNovosti. 11.22.2024.

    No sooner had NATO announced that Kyiv had been given permission to carry out long-range strikes on Russia than damage to fiber-optic cables running along the bottom of the Baltic Sea, transmitting vital information between the countries of the North Atlantic Alliance, began one after another. A coincidence, of course, nothing more. "There are strange rapprochements," as a poet would say.

    On Sunday morning, the submarine cable connecting Lithuania with the Swedish island of Gotland failed , hampering communications between the new (Sweden) and old (Lithuania) members of the North Atlantic Alliance.

    On Monday night, a 1,200-kilometer underwater cable running along the bottom of the Baltic Sea from Germany to another NATO recruit, Finland, was cut . What is interesting here is that it is located next to the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline and is the only means of fiber-optic communication between Finland and Central Europe.

    The owners and maintenance personnel of the cables are sure that the interference was man-made, hinting at possible sabotage and strongly nodding at Russia and China . They are even pushing some Chinese vessel, allegedly piloted by a Russian: they say that this ship was hanging out in the area of ​​the damaged cables.

    However, in terms of shipping density, the Baltic Sea is about the same as Tverskaya Street at six o'clock in the evening. Whose ship was there, were there divers on it and were they playing with the cable, or maybe the ship simply dragged the anchor carelessly along the bottom (there have been precedents for this) - it is impossible to solve the mystery of the cable breakage.

    The Ukrainians could have been playing pranks - we know that they have miracle divers who managed to blow up Nord Stream 2. Combat dolphins could have swum in from somewhere, who knows. Some believe in a kraken living at the bottom of the sea.

    All attempts to drag Russia here should be decisively rejected. The Russian president's press secretary Dmitry Peskov called these accusations "absurd and ridiculous".

    Josep Borrell suddenly agreed with him . "We cannot point the finger at anyone," the EU foreign affairs chief noted. "It would be irresponsible of me to attribute this incident or accident to anyone in particular."

    Well, that's great. The question remains: where were NATO members looking, literally stuffing the Baltic Sea with their warships? The fact is that a year ago, when the Balticconnector gas pipeline and the communication cable between Estonia and Finland were simultaneously disabled, the alliance's leadership ordered increased patrols in the Baltic and North Seas. They had long been afraid of damage to underwater infrastructure.

    It is clear that such breakdowns could be a monstrous blow to the European economy and the lives of ordinary Europeans. However, the alliance leadership was even more worried about the military aspect of the problem. Fiber optics are actively used by NATO military for information exchange. The failure of even one cable at the right moment can undermine cooperation within the alliance. And how then to send orders? By pigeon post?

    The breakdown of submarine cables between Egypt and Italy in 2008 led to disruptions in the communications system of the American military with NATO contingents in Europe and Asia . The Americans themselves admitted that the number of American drone flights to Iraq fell by an order of magnitude.

    And now, judging by the exercises and brainwashing of the population, NATO is seriously going to fight Russia. But this means the need for constant information exchange between the Americans and the Europeans. At this point, underwater cables become a very big sore point. Thousands of kilometers, great depth - how can you keep track of everything there?

    So far, as we can see, NATO's increased patrolling in the Baltic has led to nothing - try to guess at what point the cable will be affected. The alliance also has no symmetrical response to these troubles.

    The biggest concern about cables is in Britain. This is understandable - the island is literally entangled in underwater networks. Bank transactions, the Internet, electricity, the same gas pipelines - almost the entire infrastructure of the country is under attack. Well, and the military component is also important here, of course. Without underwater fiber optics, the fleet, the army, and the air force of His Majesty will instantly go blind and deaf.

    That is why, in those days when cables were being torn in the Baltic, the British organized a real hunt for the Russian research vessel "Yantar", which was peacefully going about its business several dozen kilometers from the shores of Albion. A reconnaissance plane and fighters were raised into the air, military ships went out to sea. Panic was through the roof. Our ship calmly proceeded further, the British were left shaking with fear, local tabloids dispersed the treason about "Russian sabotage".

    The hysteria of our opponents is understandable - there is simply no more vulnerable zone in their military plans. The problems with cables are especially insidious because it is practically impossible to find the culprits, which means that one can not even dream of retaliation. Who should strike back? And was there even a culprit? Maybe there was, but he disappeared long ago.

    What is unclear is how, with such gaping gaps in preparation, one can even dream of seriously fighting against Russia.

    https://ria.ru/20241122/udar-1985106751.html

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    Post  lyle6 Fri Nov 22, 2024 9:47 am

    a sawfish slashed the cable. even the fauna hates baltoids.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Nov 22, 2024 10:37 am

    Apparently Russia issued a NOTAM ahead of that strike.

    They have issued another for the 22/23 November.

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    Post  nomadski Fri Nov 22, 2024 11:33 am



    A Tree falls silently in the forest . The MSM , gives little attention . Their attempt so far in opposing Russia , is significant . In terms of prolonging the conflict , if not altering it's course . The latest direct attacks by missile against Russia ? More embarrassing than practically significant . Still if the range of attacks increase inside Russia , for a longer period , then these become more than being politically embarrassing . Still Russia can embarrass them back . Symbolic attacks , without casualties on their soil . Even the blind can see , no need for MSM .  Let them show restraint ! For once . Sorry to hear about loss of life after storm shadow attack inside Russia . In denial they are allowed to be . They can manufacture civilian goods , not military . The MIC , is not desperate . They can avoid escalation .Trump can give help in restructuring the American MIC .


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    Post  ALAMO Fri Nov 22, 2024 11:36 am

    JohninMK wrote:Apparently Russia issued a NOTAM ahead of that strike.

    They have issued another for the 22/23 November.

    I guess that they have told that to the westerners even earlier - this is how the ukro whining started a day before.
    They have been warned in advance, and NOTAM is just a standard procedure for a case of use a long range ballistic missile that can have a misleading trajectory. It could have been Brussel NATO headquarters at the reciever's end as well.

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    You are really dumber than anyone would dare to assume Laughing Laughing Laughing

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