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    Post  Isos Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:22 am

    Yes Russia will seat quitely and see polish armed by NATO attack Russians...

    You are beyond delusionnal.

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    Post  Regular Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:29 am

    Ukrainian skewered like a pig through the chest with a sword that has
    “For Kursk” written on it.

    You can’t make this up. They proudly showed 4K gore done by drops, but got cold medieval cruelty, close and personal. Gore and cruelty will not scare Russians away as many said, it will make them angrier.

    NSFW
    https://x.com/omskprizrak/status/1835731992610021545?s=46
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    Post  kvs Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:30 am

    So much game changer yammering in the NATzO fake stream media and in the parrot chorus here.   These long range attacks will be used to attack
    civilians.  Nothing new and only retards think that this is a game change.  

    Russia should take out a few US satellites used to feed these missiles coordinate data if any Russian civilians die.   If Uncle Swineshit wants to escalate,
    then engage in tit for tat.  Do not back down.   These NATzO f*cks are a paper tiger.   Propaganda narrative experts floating on a sea of morons.

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    Post  lyle6 Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:42 am

    Regular wrote:Ukrainian skewered like a pig through the chest with a sword that has
    “For Kursk” written on it.

    You can’t make this up. They proudly showed 4K gore done by drops, but got cold medieval cruelty, close and personal. Gore and cruelty will not scare Russians away as many said, it will make them angrier.

    NSFW
    https://x.com/omskprizrak/status/1835731992610021545?s=46
    First one to pull that sword off the hohol gets to be gauleiter of galicia.

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:48 am

    SIMPLICIUS Ѱ
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    ⚡🇷🇺Russian President Vladimir Putin issued a decree to increase the number of Armed Forces service members to 2,389,130 today, including 1.5 million active personnel (previously, it was 2,209,130 service members of which 1,320,000 were active).

    This move will effectively result in Russia surpassing the US and becoming the country with the second-largest standing army in the world.
    According to public data, the ranking of countries by active military personnel will look as follows:
    1. China, 2.035 million.
    2. Russia, 1.5 m.
    3. India, 1.455 m.
    4. US, 1.328 m.
    5. Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, 1.32 m.

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:53 am

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    #UkraineRussiaWar #Kharkiv #S300 #Toretsk #Glushkovo #Belgorod #Kursk #F16 #Kyiv

     Secrets Revealed: How the Russians laughed at you and NATO's most sophisticated reconnaissance equipment (ISR)

     Director of the U.S. Command: "Tires on Russian planes knock down missiles and drones attacking them"
    The Russian military, by placing tires on bombers and other aircraft, confuses the work of target identification systems equipped with the means of defeating the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

     They confuse missile and drone guidance systems, which must match the resulting images with the on-board database

    - says the Chief Technical Officer of the U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) Shyler Moore.

     She said this at a conference on AI organized by the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS):

    If you place the tires on top of the wings, it becomes difficult for many computer vision models to understand that this is an airplane

     For the first time, the use of tires by the Russian Armed Forces was recorded in the fall of 2023, when the Tu-95 and Tu-160 bombers besieged by them were captured at the Engels-2 airbase. Before that, Ukrainian kamikaze drones repeatedly tried to attack this object. Subsequently, images of other types of Russian aircraft covered with tires appeared.

     Around the same time, it turned out that Ukrainian troops began to use the Neptune anti-ship cruise missile with IR guidance to strike ground targets. Earlier, the Air Force began to receive Air-based KR Storm Shadow and SCALP-EG, which also use IR-GSN to search for targets at the final stages of the flight
    Homing systems of this type scan potential targets for verification with the data library loaded into them. The tires just prevent the identification of targets.

     As Moore from CENTCOM explained, in order to combat such enemy tactics, it is necessary to ensure that the operators of combat systems can make changes to the databases themselves:

     If it takes you 6 months to get a new data library [from the developer], the next day the enemy will tell you: Great. Didn't you like the tires? Okay, I'll add something else on top. It breaks the whole model.

     According to her, this applies not only to tires, but also to many other tricks of the enemy, for example, the enemy resorts to non-standard coloring of the sides. In the American press, drawing silhouettes of aircraft at airbases or submarines on the VMB is added to the list of tricks of the Russian Armed Forces designed to deceive computer vision

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    Post  Belisarius Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:02 am

    JohninMK wrote:
     According to her, this applies not only to tires, but also to many other tricks of the enemy, for example, the enemy resorts to non-standard coloring of the sides. In the American press, drawing silhouettes of aircraft at airbases...

    I'll save this for the next time "pro-russian military experts" start saying that the VKS is stupid because of tires or for drawing aircraft silhouettes at airbases...

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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Sep 17, 2024 4:51 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:....
    Yeah and guess who the Poles hate more, the Russians.

    The Poles do not want Russia on their border again, and they will resort to just about any method to prevent that
    ...

    Poles already have Russia on their border

    And if they try anything other than current approach they will be outside Article 5 and they will be getting cratered while rest of NATO looks the other way because they aren't suicidal morons (to that extent)



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    Post  Kiko Tue Sep 17, 2024 8:33 am

    Russia will have to withdraw nuclear weapons from the US, by Timofey Sergeytsev for RiaNovosti. 09.17.2024.

    It is impossible to fight Russia without Nazification. The political system of an aggressor country that has come out against Russia and the Russians will not survive. That is why Ukraine was Nazified by the United States. The Nazi ideology dictated to Ukrainians determines their place in the "food chain" at the top of which stands the United States: Ukrainians are below their Western masters, but above the Russians - that is what they were taught. For this, they must submit to the totalitarian Nazi order and die at the front without counting the losses.

    Russia allowed the existence of the Ukrainian people, but will never agree to a Ukrainian nation for which "Ukraine is above all", to "Ukraine for Ukrainians". If Russians cannot live freely on the territory of Ukraine as Russians, then there will be no Ukraine on historically Russian territories. This is a settled issue. Ukrainian Nazism will be destroyed in all its manifestations on the historical territories of Russia.

    There is no need to guess whether anything of Ukrainianism will remain after this. If the Germans had somewhere to retreat to after denazification - to their culture and history, then Ukrainianism has no such cultural and historical basis, otherwise there would not have been fabrications about "ancient Ukrs", which are being seriously introduced into the education system, starting from kindergarten.

    Russia has no reason to preserve a defeated Ukraine. The communist experiment of the 20th century with granting privileges to border nationalisms in exchange for support for the world revolution is over. The territorial remnants of Western Ukraine are also objects of claims by several Eastern European countries.

    At the same time, the solution to the Ukrainian problem does not cancel the main problem of Russia - the war of attrition-destruction, which the USA has been waging against it in the fight for world domination, starting from the moment of the USSR's victory over Nazi Germany . The Ukrainian crisis in this war is another passing episode.

    From the very beginning of the war against the USSR, the US considered nuclear weapons as the main "argument" - the destruction of Russia was necessary because it was possible. However, the USSR's quick response - both in terms of nuclear charges and space delivery vehicles - required supplementing the American nuclear strategy with a psychological and ideological war of the "Voice of America", as well as local conflicts in which the so-called proxy forces of the US were forged. The latter were later supplemented by "international terrorism" - also a geopolitical invention of the US. All of the above additions to the development and growth of the nuclear arsenal made up the characteristic of the US war against the USSR as a cold war. The Cold War is the political shell of the US plan for a nuclear attack on the USSR.

    However, the US does not realize that the war against the USSR/Russia has become the main process determining their own fate. The US itself has become hostage to this struggle and its existential risks.

    The suicide of the USSR created the illusion of victory in the psychological war for the USA. However, it did not mean the defeat of the Soviet Union. It ended its own history of its own free will. But this did not mean the defeat, much less the suicide, of historical Russia. On the contrary, Russia refused to be a resource for the world revolution and the global imposition of communism, the world communist superpower. It returned to the continuation of its own history, to its origins and traditions. Considering what it has accomplished for the benefit of humanity on the world stage at the cost of the sacrifices it has made, it is not surprising that it was Russia that was the first in the world and history to offer eternal peace to its historical adversaries. This offer was mistakenly considered weakness and capitulation of the vanquished.

    The United States is fighting Russia, the largest country in the world in terms of territory, based on the results of the wars of the last millennium. The "blowback" from this fight is critically undermining the United States' own political system. Today, they have come close to the line where racism, the ideological foundation of the United States, must openly transform into Nazism, the practice of total war. The Patriot Act of 2001, which marked the end of American democracy, marked the beginning of this final transformation. Today, American ideologists no longer mention it - instead, they talk about American rules for the entire world, about the exceptionalism of the American nation, about the obligation of peoples to die for American interests, to sacrifice their vital resources for the United States. This fully applies to Europeans, although it is unusual for them. American Nazism is absolute and is the next, more developed version after the German one.

    The US has already done enough not only against Russia and its people, but also against the peoples of other countries, for the victims to declare war on them to the point of annihilation. Casus belli has been in place for a long time. The US has already earned severe punishment. But they act without regard for such a possibility only because the victims do not yet want a nuclear war. As Washington believes, nuclear power exempts from responsibility. However, if and when the final Nazification of the US takes place (including if some states that do not want Nazification and fascist dictatorship do not secede from the US themselves), the question of how to stop them will arise for Russia and other affected states as a practical and urgent one.
    Neutralization of their proxies, including Europe , will not yield the desired result. At the same time, one should not count on the "instinct of self-preservation", since a subject claiming superpower does not have it by definition. Suicide is precisely its highest achievement and an inevitable prospect. After all, a super-subject becomes one by unrestrainedly spending resources. Which one day run out. However, unlike the USSR, which took the ideological poison of anti-communism and quietly died in its bed, the USA will try to take everyone else with it. Because it lives at their expense, not at its own. And sooner or later they will stop feeding the dragon.

    Russia has announced an update of its nuclear doctrine. The level of nuclear tolerance as a result of the update will, as expected, be significantly adjusted downwards. Sensitivity to threats will be increased, and a number of prohibitions and self-restrictions will be lifted. The adjustment of the nuclear doctrine is inevitably caused not only by the reckless stubbornness of the United States in its attempts to cause unacceptable damage to our country, but also by the consistent qualitative and quantitative growth of Russia's defensive and offensive strategic potential, both in nuclear and non-nuclear weapons, and the achievement of military superiority over the enemy. Moscow has returned to the systematic reproduction of armed forces capable of confrontation on a global scale, and in a format that does not imply the total militarization of society, which opens up new horizons of political and economic opportunities for it that were unavailable in the 20th century.

    At what point will the arming, mobilization and sending of proxy instruments by the United States to the front against Russia be "considered" a war of the United States with our country? This issue will not be resolved in the plane of international law, which is hopelessly behind the reality of the struggle for world power waged by the United States. Russia already has enough grounds to formalize the confrontation in this way. It does not do this for one reason - the consequences of proxy aggression have so far been effectively mitigated. The SVO format moderates military risks, reducing them to a level below the threshold of general mobilization. In fact, this format itself is a political, technological and social invention-achievement of modern Russia, an effective management mechanism, although it creates new and unusual, previously unknown social effects and phenomena. But working with them is a school for a new generation of Russian statesmen. In terms of preparation for a full-scale war against an aggressor, the SVO is a developed alternative to repression and spy mania, which are inevitable if there is no such alternative.

    The US is gathering political forces for a decisive blow to Russia. The democracy of poker between the two ruling parties, when the post of president is played more or less according to some rules, is exhausted. The United States needs a dictatorship for itself, and they will establish it. Ancient Rome was capable of consciously appointing a dictator in a crisis situation. The US did not reach Rome. But Ukraine has become their political technology laboratory, here they have set up a full-scale experiment in the transition to Nazism, as they say, "out of the blue." And now they will fully use its results in relation to themselves. The pirate oligarchy must become a military junta. And this brings the US to the problem of power.

    The military — those who fight and die on the battlefield, and are not simply listed as military personnel in peacetime — are the only caste that can rule. This is an ancient tradition, but this is also the modern situation, since power requires unlimited responsibility, when life is pledged as collateral, not authorized capital. The United States is a society where traders have usurped power. And they, in principle, avoid responsibility, even limited, and strive to transfer the maximum risks, losses, and costs to others. In the USSR, power in the twentieth century was appropriated by the clergy of a godless religion — the faith in communism. This imbalance of the political system led to its destruction. The imbalance of the US political system is also leading its internal crisis to the point of no return. The US military community is corrupted by the influx of external resources, the logic of robbery. It is not ready to build a state — a system for reproducing power based on internal, its own resource. For two centuries, the US trading community bought the services of its own military, essentially turning them into mercenaries. But there are fewer and fewer resources left for this internal mercenary activity. And mercenaries do not have and cannot have political qualifications.

    The political crisis in the US and its further deepening will not postpone, but on the contrary, will bring closer their military conflict with Russia. Even the logic of unilaterally establishing rules is no longer available to the US - the one who is not capable of establishing them internally cannot project rules onto the world. In escalating the conflict to a full-scale world war, American clans will seek mechanisms for resolving both their own contradictions and writing off the American debt to the world in all its dimensions - from financial to moral. In this strategic perspective, Russia will not go for expanding the use of US military proxy instruments, for including European countries in their aggression. The lesson that will have to be taught to the West will extend not only to these countries, but also to the American metropolis itself.

    The absence of principles and policies of self-restraint deprives the United States of the right to nuclear weapons. The growing contradictions between the states, the absence of a single American people, the disintegration of the political system formed as a result of the Civil War between the North and the South , the degeneration of the United States into a Nazi-fascist dictatorship will become the final arguments in favor of the withdrawal of the nuclear arsenal from the United States - possibly against the backdrop of the disintegration of the union of North American states with the formation of several confederations and under the protectorate of Russia and China.

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    Post  Arrow Tue Sep 17, 2024 8:40 am

    1. China, 2.035 million. 2. Russia, 1.5 m. 3. India, 1.455 m. 4. US, 1.328 m. wrote:

    And what kind of land army is the USA able to field? Smile

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    Post  Arrow Tue Sep 17, 2024 8:51 am

    he ones that actually were - like the V family - with the latest V4 version eats it alive with double the range of interception... And it is still not the top notch of Russkie systems, with S-500 already there ... wrote:


    Western propaganda has always compared the S-300V and its derivatives to THAAD or even PAC-3, claiming that a direct kinetic hit is more effective. I once read some analysis that explosive directed warheads are just as effective and in some cases, when the warhead of a ballistic missile can be specially reinforced etc., is a much more reliable method. After all, the Russians have been testing this since 1961. Although apparently the S-500 has a version of missiles with a kinetic warhead as well.
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    Post  ALAMO Tue Sep 17, 2024 9:15 am

    Belisarius wrote:

    I'll save this for the next time "pro-russian military experts" start saying that the VKS is stupid because of tires or for drawing aircraft silhouettes at airbases...

    It was known from the beginning. Enough to look at satellite recon available to see that those stupid tires made the shapes very different. Which is good enough to fool the correlation matrix.

    By the way, there is an insane film from the voluntary Russian unit of Ossetians revealed today - I have watched it in the morning but can't find it now, to many streams Laughing Laughing
    It shows some head on engagement with hohols somewhere in Kursk, but what is worth to notice is the mood of the soldiers.
    It almost looks like they are having a really good fun!

    GarryB wrote:In many ways S-350 is better than THAAD, let alone late model S-300 and S-300V. S-400 is way better while being able to intercept all sorts of targets as well as ballistic targets.... and they are all much cheaper than THAAD.

    It can't be considered better or worse, because it is apple to oranges.
    Both THAAD and S-350 form a totally different tier of the battlefield and are not optimized for the tasks the other does.
    THAAD is a dedicated antiballistic defense system that was finally figured and mastered in the late 90s.
    Formed a tier that muricans lacked for more than a decade, after the Soviets fielded the S-300V complex in 1988, and was responsible for dealing with aeroballistic and ballistic missiles of medium range.
    If you want to match THAAD with anything, then it will be directly S-300V/VM equivalent.
    And again, Russkie system outperforms THAAD while being just an improvement of a system more than a decade older.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:32 pm


    I still think that if Russia finds itself in as position , where it has to engage NATO troops directly , in Ukraine or elsewhere , that it risks a lot .

    Sounds like Zelenskys plan for his last stand... get HATO troops involved to force a stalemate and a North South Korea type arranged forever war... that is the best he can hope for really.

    The Poles do not want Russia on their border again, and they will resort to just about any method to prevent that

    If that were actually true then the Polish are fucking stupid because the the last three peace plans... Minsk 1, Minsk 2 and Istanbul, have all offered a Ukraine as a buffer zone between Poland and Russia except the Kalininingrad enclave... now they are going to get Russians on their border and long range precision guided weapons assure right on their border... no more Ukraine.


    Kaliningrad isn't connected to mainland Russia.

    Meaning to defend it from HATO occupation they would have no choice but the use nuclear weapons... which is why HATO wont touch it unless that is what they want.

    Also they know well enough they can send troops into Ukraine and Poland its self will not be attacked, long as those Polish troops do not move into Russia's it's self.

    Most HATO countries have been sending in troops to Ukraine to fight the Russians... special forces mostly, but also recently retired veterans keen to prove how easily HATO would have defeated the Ruskies... not turning out so good for them of course.

    This move will effectively result in Russia surpassing the US and becoming the country with the second-largest standing army in the world.
    According to public data, the ranking of countries by active military personnel will look as follows:

    Funny that the DPR is North Korea so first and third and fourth are allies to Russia or BRICS countries allies of Russia... and the US in the top five.


    And what kind of land army is the USA able to field?

    Indeed...

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    Western propaganda has always compared the S-300V and its derivatives to THAAD or even PAC-3, claiming that a direct kinetic hit is more effective.

    A kinetic hit is much more difficult to achieve and less likely to actually happen in actual combat.

    Or should I say a lot more money needs to be spent to achieve the potential for kinetic hit interception...


    It can't be considered better or worse, because it is apple to oranges.
    Both THAAD and S-350 form a totally different tier of the battlefield and are not optimized for the tasks the other does.
    THAAD is a dedicated antiballistic defense system that was finally figured and mastered in the late 90s.

    That was the point I was making... the medium range S-350 is a better system than the western dedicated ABM system at ABM missions.

    The S-300V and S-400 and S-500 are in a different category and are substantially better at bringing down ballistic threats.

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    Now the Russians are putting ERA bricks onto the "shed armor".

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    Post  Arrow Tue Sep 17, 2024 1:15 pm

    That was the point I was making... the medium range S-350 is a better system than the western dedicated ABM system at ABM missions. The S-300V and S-400 and S-500 are in a different category and are substantially better at bringing down ballistic threats. wrote:

    The S 350 can be compared more to the PAC 3. However, it should be remembered that part of the US ABM system is SM 3 block II, etc. I don't know what the S 500 can compare it to, although it is a land system and the S 500 has a shorter range
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    Post  franco Tue Sep 17, 2024 1:47 pm

    The Russian MoD reporting 2360 Ukrainian casualties over the past 24 hours including;

    During the day, the total losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine amounted to 400 soldiers and 19 armored vehicles, including four tanks, a Swedish-made CV-90 infantry fighting vehicle and 14 armored combat vehicles, as well as five artillery pieces, five mortars, six vehicles and an engineering barrier vehicle.

    In total, during the fighting in the Kursk direction, the enemy lost more than 14,200 troops, 119 tanks, 45 infantry fighting vehicles, 91 armored personnel carriers, 743 armored combat vehicles, 445 vehicles, 103 artillery pieces, 28 multiple rocket launchers, including seven HIMARS and six MLRS manufactured by the United States, 8 anti-aircraft launchers missile systems, four transport-loading vehicles, 26 electronic warfare stations, 7 counter-battery radars, two air defense radars, 14 units of engineering equipment, Of these, eight engineering barrier vehicles and one UR-77 mine clearance unit.

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