Offtopic stuff from the Ukriane war thread1

Blame Putin. His endless restraint and goodwill gestures has brought situation to this point.

Norway ignores the internationally accepted rules of the sea and Finland performs an act of piracy and it is Putins fault?

I would say it is pretty clear that norwaywegians are scumbags and the Finnish are nazi pirates from way back.

I should make a T Shirt really... when something happens and Putin does not immediately overreact the nazis of the world claim he is weak and will not do anything.

Tell that to Moldova who have not paid their gas bill...

It takes time to investigate what has happened and once it is clear where the fault is action plans can be formulated to target the guilty in a measured way.

No one is going to invade Finland or Norway, but measures will be taken to both respond and prevent future repeats.

I am sure there are lots of Finnish assets in Russia that Russia can now confiscate.

The ship is old and they have a lot more oil.

See what I mean about waiting for the facts to be found out... the Norway wegians claim they were ordered by the Spanish not to get involved as the Spanish ship was on the way to assist. They were prepared to help and continued to monitor the situation.

Western hate puppets besmirching the name of Norway... in this case when it was apparently not justified...

I am sure Putin still has to go though...

Rodion Romanovic wrote:The only things that the revolutioners achieved was instigating a fratricide war and retire from ww1 just shortly before Germany was defeated.

You may want to see the White criminals like Yudenich, Kolchak and Denikin receive fund from the West to invade Russia.

You may want to see Pavel Krasnov massacre 25000 people in the Civil War and later joined the Nazi to invade Russia.

Pretty please.

@kvs, Rodion:

again, it is the White Army that receive substantial fund from the West to invade Russia. And the White can be anything but Bolshevik.

Does that mean it is actually the Tsarist and White are traitors and actually butchery ? You already know that White like Pavel Krasnov butchered 25000 people during the civil war and later he joined forces with the Nazi to further butchering his own country ?

Seems like the Tsarist were (and still are) not loving their own country as much as they claim, or "country" only means benefit of the privileged ?

And sorry but not sorry, other claims like Russia was wining against Germany in WW1, or Bolshevik were foreign agents, were outrightly bogus.

The White Army was backed by the western elite's interest - much like 404's backing today. It's from exactly the same script.

Actually that was the funniest thing... sometimes in history you get a soldier that is not interested in colonial bullshit and is just there to do his job and not tip over the boat.

One guy would be Michael Jackson... the British officer in Kosovo who refused US orders to start WWIII.

Another was the guy the americans put in charge of their expedition into Russian territory during the Russian civil war.

He was sent with orders to keep the peace and keep neutral and basically keep an eye on US assets and interests there.

What they wanted him to do is get involved and help the whites defeat the reds and expand western influence in the country.

In actual fact AFAIK he did his job and did not interfere the way his government wanted him to...

LFMS wrote:My eggs. Why did they force Russian population of Novorussia to learn ukie in the 30's, then? Bolsheviks had the goal of preventing the Russian empire from emerging again, that is why they created "republics" out of nothing, transferred native Russian lands to them and promoted periphery nationalism. It is oldest trick in the bag to sabotage a country's future, and you are trying to pass it for love of Russia and the only possible way forward? Give us a break...

The Bolshevik don't "create" Ukraine.

The local people create it themselves. And the non-Bolshevik provisional gorvenment acknowledge the 1917 Rada.

The 1917 Rada has no Bolshevik in it. The Provisional Government of 1917 has no Bolshevik. The earliest sentiments of Ukrainian separation emerged long long before Lenin was born. Yet somehow some colorblind people only see Bolshevik.

It is simple, intuitive, and easy to understand. Why it is so hard for to crack it into the skull of some people ?

LFMS wrote:Bolsheviks had the goal of preventing the Russian empire from emerging again

Because it is stupid for revolutionaries to want the emergence of empires.

Revolutionaries don't want Russian empire. They want Russian country, Russian republic, Russian nation.

Why do you want empire ?

You are imperialist ?

If yes then you ain't in any position to lament about the behavior of USA or Maidan fascist regime.

LFMS wrote:they created "republics" out of nothing

Oh so the Finns did not exists. The Poles did not exist. The -stan central asian native people did not exist. The native Baltics did not exist. The Kavkaz people did not exist.

What kind of universe you are living in ?

LFMS wrote:promoted periphery nationalism

What do you mean periphery ?

Does it translate into belittlement of non-Russia people ?

If you people are free to express your bloating nationalism unchecked in this forum then why other nations are not allowed to have their own nationalism ?

Do you see that you are double standard ?

PapaDragon wrote:Funny how all most palatable bolshevik solutions are always to sole detriment of Russia (in local case Serbia too)

Commies are the eternal fúcking plague on mankind

Funny that your beloved Chetniks were embracing Nazi and killing other Slavs while masquerading the mantle of "patriotism".

Funny that White Army receiving fund from Western powers and some also joining Nazi to invade Russia.

Nationalists are the eternal backstabbers of nations.

caveat emptor wrote:In order to build a "multiethnic" state, you need to weaken an ethnicity with strongest national identity and national building acumen, on whose back, said state was usually built  to begin with.

It is a surprise that I hear it from you, the man who tell me to accept that each person has different ideas.

Ah, sure, as if the local people do nothing to build the very place they are living.

Rodion Romanovich wrote:The soviet Revolution also caused many brilliant Russian minds to leave the country.
One of the best example was a Russian patriot from Kiev, at the time in which Kiev was a Russian city and there was no Ukrainian BS there: Igor Sikorsky

He was one of the leading figure of aviation in the 20th century and unfortunately because of the revolution he moved to the USA, being also the main responsible for the success of the helicopter industry in that country....

And many brilliant people decide to stay, for example Konstantin Eduardovich Tsiolkovsky, who were neglected during the Tsarist period but then his works were recognized by the Soviets.

Not to mention that the socialist revolution begin the literacy and education program in a scale that the Tsarist could not and due to its class interest, did not.

The act of Sikorsky leaving is a reaction to the immediate uncertainty. Whether the Soviet Union supported talents and scientific endeavors is a separate issue - in this case they actually did. Sikorsky left, but many chose to stay and the USSR created many hundreds more.

And for what reason should we believe that Sirkorsky is indispensable and other people was and are not as brilliant ? To be fair, could Sikorsky make his career without the assistance of many nameless workers ? And Sikorsky's brillaince - this is no mean to belittle him but - is that because he has better genes, better inherent traits, or may be because he was more lucky and access to better resource and environment than many others that was not as fortunate as him ?

The problem is that, I mean no offense but, you are looking at history via the lens of privileged class.

The Tsarist and later USA, France might treat Sikorsky well but they turned the lives of millions of others into miserable and also deny the opportunity of many others to become brilliant.

If Sikorsky left Russia and made a fortune in somewhere else, that's his destiny. But it was not like without him Russia could not live.

History is made by millions, not by a few people belong to the privileged class.

caveat emptor wrote:I have no idea what is the meaning of your retort  in regards to what i wrote.

You are telling me to accept of different opinions but then you seems to not be friendly with the identity of the ones living in the same house as you, which is literally against want you want me to do.

May be it's me but it seems like beside your beloved identity, all others are perceived by you as lazing around and incompetent, which is also has nothing to do with real history you are claiming.

caveat emptor wrote:In case of Serbia and creation of Yugoslavia, Serbian king bears similar, if not bigger, responsibility as communists after WW2 do.

The multi ethnicity of Yugoslavia and former territories of the Tsarist Russia (and later USSR) is a fact. It is not like Serbian kings invented Croats or Slovenes on his own will like God.

If you decide to rule a countries with different people, then it is imperative to make sure that all voice is heard. If not, get out and let them die or live on their own.

caveat emptor wrote:You've chosen to close yourself into a box and i already know what you'll say in advance, since i've heard it many times before. If you decide to tell me something original, based on your own reasoning, i'll be happy to respond. Until then, so long.

So what is original in yours ? Was it published in any original articles with your name at the 1st position ? Or you are just repeating the ideas of others ?

The Thing Next Door wrote:Hence revolutionaries are a cancer to all nations they inhabit.

You are clearly marking yourself as an enemy of Russia, celebrating the loss of territory and damage done by communist fools. I doubt you would even support the retaking of alaska or the peaceful re integration of Belarus.

I don't understand your logic.

Are you implying that a nation can only exist as empire ?

And for what reason?

The Thing Next Door wrote: I doubt you would even support the retaking of alaska or the peaceful re integration of Belarus.

Is their a loose screw in your head ?


Mutual, voluntary union of Belarus and Russia is legit but on what basis you can take back Alaska ?

Do I need to remind you that Tsarist government SOLD Alaska away.

And by the way it is imperative to know whether do you see Belarusian people as second-class citizens and treat them with contempt ? I highly suspect you do.