Offtopic stuff from the Ukriane war thread1

Much confusion. This was Sparta 111 before renaming and was on its way the Vladivostok carrying a pair of large dock cranes to help relieve the comjustion in that port. The original Sparta is still on its way to Syria to uplift Russian 'stuff'.

Either way not really relevant in this thread.

An engine room explosion sank a Russian cargo ship called 'Ursa Major' in the Mediterranean Sea between Spain and Algeria and two of its crew are missing, the Russian Foreign Ministry said on Tuesday.

The vessel, built in 2009, was controlled by Oboronlogistika, a company that is part of the Russian Defence Ministry's military construction operations, which had previously said it was en route to the Russian far eastern port of Vladivostok with two giant port cranes lashed to its deck.

The Foreign Ministry's crisis centre said in a statement that 14 of the ship's 16 crew members had been rescued and brought to Spain, but that two crew were still missing. It did not say what had caused the engine room explosion.


Video footage of the ship heavily listing to its starboard side with its bow much lower down in the water than usual was filmed on Dec. 23 by a passing ship and published on Russia's life.ru news outlet on Tuesday.

To those who say that Russia should respond to terrorism with terrorism

I strongly disagree

The outlets of this terrorism would be Islamists and Right Wingers.

Since RW goons are more pro-UA (not all) they better be used as for political manipulation, they are not suitable

Using islamistist is never a choice for Russia for obvious reasons. We seen examples how “well” that works out.

Too much to backfire, very little use, this is already moving past moraly grey means

Better to hit Ukrainian VIPs, field hospitals, civilian factories (during night if needed)

"Another NAziTO covert operation, a crewmember or serviceman got bribed to plant explosives onboard. Russia needs to find both the saboteur AND his handler. Torture them before killing them, but kill their families first to extract maximum trauma.

In addition to eliminating the saboteurs and their families, a similar incident needs to happen on NAziTO cargo vessels. Sink two vessels as payback for one. The NAziTO Pigs will whine but no one cares."

So kill innocent woman and children, because one man did something they don't know about?. How much of the family we talking? their brothers, sisters? parents? whats the limit. Even if they did know and thats what happened, it doesn't make that type of action okay.


Yikes, you are no better than the people you claim to hate same goes for anyone who liked what you said.

you literally preach actual Third Reich Nazi methods, disgusting.

The Russian Ship , the one that just sank , because " there was a blast in Engine room . " seems to me that this Ship was taking on water from the forward section , port side . Sinking and heavy in that direction . Engine room for this Ship is forward and port side ?






The BBC , follows this report immediately with report of Turkey arms manufacturer blast with twelve dead ! Therefore either Russia hit Turkey or Turkey hit Russia ! It is false flag time ! Diplomacy will get you nowhere .

"Since we're playing he said she said here

I distinctly remember you saying that Russia can't win this war as the Ukrainians won't stop resisting. To which you were told that the tap would run dry, but you thought that there are too many Ukrainians for Russia to deal with.
And I also said that the Ukrainian army will crumble before that happens anyway, which you also seemed to deny

We'll see who's right. Whether in 2025, or in 2026."

Flamming you really going to take what I have said out of context, the remark you are referring to was.

If Russia takes this war too slowly, it could lose because it will not be able to complete its objectives.

I never once said, That Russia cannot straight up defeat Ukraine. I have said they can but their pussy footing may cost them

In terms of too many Ukie's, that statement was about people here saying Ukraine ran out of men two years ago, two years or even one year later that statement doesn't seem accurate as of yet.

if your going to do he said, she said. Don't take my statements outta context and lie about what I said

@GarryB

Nothing to do with Ukraine ? Maybe you are right . But I think it is all related . It is all the same front . One side is Russia / China / Iran , the other the evil empire . But if the objection is that such news should not be emphasised now , because Trump needs a Red carpet , then I am not sure at all . One thing to delay retaliation , another not to retaliate , yet another to deny the possibility for any  retaliation . I think people know the difference . No danger of General knuts being forced to push the Red button , while Trump shaking Putin hands !

The Russian Ship , the one that just sank , because " there was a blast in Engine room . " seems to me that this Ship was taking on water from the forward section , port side . Sinking and heavy in that direction . Engine room for this Ship is forward and port side ? wrote:

The low part is the engine room. Its an odd ship, the super structure is in the front

Even if Engine was in aft of Ship , still possible the blast was in the front and not from Engine room as reported . But especially if from enemy fire or action , it should be made public . As should in general the correct information about losses in men and material . Since the people have to decide the fate of the war .

Not that old. Built in 2009. Explosion now being blamed on a terrorist act.


Terrorist attack committed against Russian vessel Ursa Major in Mediterranean Sea:

"Three explosions occurred on the starboard side of the Ursa Major, which caused the ship to sink" says the owner of the company (Oboronlogistics)






But maybe not all as it seems

Sal Mercogliano (WGOW Shipping) ‍
@mercoglianos
Right...it has nothing to do with the ship deviating off course in both the Bay of Biscay and Med with engine troubles, and then flooding that compartment.

Based on all transports headed to Syria empty, Russia has decided to bug out. Is the pivot to Libya on?

mnztr wrote:Based on all transports headed to Syria empty, Russia has decided to bug out. Is the pivot to Libya on?

I think you posted in the wrong thread

So now the CIA has decided to just start sinking Russian cargo ships with planted explosives. 3 gone now. if you don't fight fire with fire, you cant win.

Indeed, Russia should not stoop to such levels, but rather strike nato directly.

But that is what they want. With terrorism, there is deniability.

Looks like another false flag like plane shoot down over Ukraine or Ukrainian plane shoot down in Tehran ! Any more details ? The reporter looks Ukrainian to me ? Here we go again . Chechens against Russia . Any Russian AD missing in Syria lately , taken to central Asia ?May need own topic ?

Yes , I did think the drone attack against Grozny by Ukraine seemed stupid . But it was simply setting the scene ! But not quite ! The season for false flags is here .

SlutSoloyvov wrote:

So kill innocent woman and children, because one man did something they don't know about?. How much of the family we talking? their brothers, sisters? parents? whats the limit. Even if they did know and thats what happened, it doesn't make that type of action okay.

US defends air strikes that killed civilians in Syria

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59279585

It is okay as per NAziTO war doctrine. Your kind started this norm so dont pretend to have the moral high ground by calling such action as not okay. Hypocrite.

SlutSoloyvov wrote:
you literally preach actual Third Reich Nazi methods, disgusting.

This is something NAziTO has been doing for a long time, yet you are a NAziTO supporter, so you are disgusting yourself.

SlutSoloyvov wrote:
Yikes, you are no better than the people you claim to hate

I never stated that I dislike the west because of Ideological reasons. This is another example of you trying hard to present your own reality and then using it as an argument against people. Typical NAzito mindset.

IMO the West has overstepped its boundaries, and this disturbs the balance of power in Europe and the rest of the world. This is the primary reason why I support Russia.

higurashihougi wrote:
@PhSt: with all respect, for what reason you always call for genocide and mass massacre to vent your anger ?

This is not genocide and mass massacre, its a simple execution of enemy combatants. Also, the suggestion is simply to mirror what the enemies of Russia is doing. In a war of Extermination, which is currently being waged against Russia by the West, the End justifies the means. Attempting to present yourself as a humane actor will only result in inconveniences that will be exploited by the enemy.

Backman wrote:
So now the CIA has decided to just start sinking Russian cargo ships with planted explosives. 3 gone now. if you don't fight fire with fire, you cant win.

Agreed, since sanctions don't work, NAziTO is resorting to more forceful actions to compromise Russia's trade fleet. Russia needs to start bombing NAzito trade vessels, oil/ gas pipelines, undersea cables, etc in a similar covert operation ASAP.

Finnish military has seized Russian cargo ship named Eagle S in international waters in the Gulf of Finland. Ship is suspected of cutting a seabed electric cable link.

What combatants in the FAMILY MEMBERS that you attempted to exterminate, including women, children, stillborn infants, and other people that may not be aware or not necessarily agree with the actions of the individuals you hate ?

And when you call to nuke Ukraine are you aware that nuke cannot discriminate between civillians and soldier ?

These are NAziTO talking points, again its not an Extermination, it is the Anglo-Saxon and its lackeys in NAziTO who wish to Exterminate Russians.

NAziTO would really appreciate it if Russia continues to fight this war in a Humanitarian way because all NAziTO has to do is bring civilians in close proximity to legitimate targets in Ukraine where it will be impossible to destroy targets without civilian casualties, in the mean time, NAziTO has no problem KILLING RUSSIANS whenever there is an opportunity.

Does that mean you support the ideology of the West, including imperialism, bombing hospitals and schools, invading other countries, genocide, mass massacre, and may be what you termed as "woke degeneracy" ?

I don't care about these things as long as they don't affect me. IMO you are adding too much complexity to matters that are quite simple. West needs to GO BACK to pre 1988 lines and allow Russia to take back its rightful sphere of influence, this is the only viable solution to restore balance to world security.

Ursa Major that was sunk by Nato was carrying highly valuable parts of nuclear ice fleet building technology.

The plane could have been hit over Grozny and was denied an emergency landing in Chechnya since they couldn't trust it. So they flew over the Caspian to land there

Was the plane intentionally sent into drone infested airspace for this reason ? Could be. Who the hell knows.