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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Thu Jul 18, 2024 3:06 pm

    From lord bebo telegram channel

    🇺🇸🇦🇲 US Army in Armenia!

    Representative of American army will work in Armenia's Defense Ministry, U.S. Under Secretary confirmed

    U.S. Under Secretary of State for Civilian Security, Democracy, and Human Rights Uzra Zeya was in Armenia from July 13-16.

    Hetq spoke with Zeya about Armenian-American cooperation, American-mediated Armenian-Azerbaijani negotiations, the right of return of Artsakh residents, the preservation of Artsakh's Armenian heritage and ongoing democratic reforms in Armenia.

    To the question if there will be a U.S. Army resident adviser in attached to Armenia’s Ministry of Defense, Zeya answered:

    "I can confirm this. It’s a welcome development that I would encourage you to follow up with our ambassador and press team. We welcome deepening defense and civilian security cooperation between the U.S. and Armenia. This is part of the spirit embodied in the historic upgrade in U.S. Armenia relations to a strategic partnership."


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    Post  sepheronx Thu Jul 18, 2024 4:38 pm

    Now it's more or a less a total loss of Armenia.

    I wonder if Russian authorities are really ignorant of the events or if they just don't care?
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    Post  lancelot Thu Jul 18, 2024 4:51 pm

    Armenia needs to give back its Iskander batteries.

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    Post  sepheronx Thu Jul 18, 2024 6:10 pm

    They won't. They will transfer it to Americans and Russia will still offer blowjobs to Armenia.

    Seriously, russias soft power is weaker than fucking Zimbabwes.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Thu Jul 18, 2024 7:34 pm

    sepheronx wrote:They won't. They will transfer it to Americans and Russia will still offer blowjobs to Armenia.

    Seriously, russias soft power is weaker than fucking Zimbabwes.

    That would be a casus belli.
    I do not believe that trump is interested in Armenia also.

    I see two possibilities: either the situation remain more or less like this until the new president comes in power, and then is somewhat deescalated, or they try something funny and they will receive iskanders in Yerevan while Russia gives the green light to Azerbaijan to annex another bit of Armenia.

    About saying that Russia has not soft power... If Armenia wants to disappear they are free to do it. Soft power does not mean giving away money and goods for free. They want to believe in American or Brussels lies, they are free to do it as long as they are ready for the consequences.

    Russia does not have to do anything to punish them. Just tell Turkey and Azerbaijan they will not do it next time they decide to attack Armenia again.

    The only remaining Armenians will be those in the diaspora and maybe in what remain of navgorno kharabak.

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    Post  Isos Thu Jul 18, 2024 9:28 pm

    Armenia is getting export versions. Nothing to lear that they don't already know from iskander use in Ukraine.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Aug 01, 2024 6:26 am



    Looking west has consequences. Russia has alternatives to Armenias products, will the west take Armenias products so they can continue or do they need a painful adaptation?

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Fri Aug 02, 2024 10:54 am

    https://topwar.ru/247439-armenija-nachala-konsultacii-s-mezhdunarodnymi-partnerami-dlja-reformirovanija-vs-respubliki.html

    Armenia has begun consultations with “international partners” to reform the republic’s armed forces


    Armenia has begun consultations with the United States and other Western countries on the issue of reforming the republic's armed forces. This was reported by the Armenian Ministry of Defense.

    A representative of the Armenian military department answered the question of why the republic's Defense Ministry needed a representative of the Pentagon, and on a permanent basis. According to him, the Americans will help the Armenians carry out reforms of the armed forces, and other "international partners" will also take part in the consultations. Some on a short-term basis, and some, like the United States, on a long-term basis.


    "As part of the reform of the Armenian Armed Forces, the Armenian Ministry of Defense has received and continues to receive advisory support from the United States and other international partners, which may be short-term or long-term."

    - the Ministry of Defense of the Republic stated.

    Earlier, the US State Department stated that the main task of the United States is to help Armenia distance itself from Russia, so the Americans will create all the necessary conditions for this. As Blinken's assistant for European and Eurasian affairs James O'Brien stated, a significant part of Armenians allegedly do not want to have relations with Russia because of the situation with Nagorno-Karabakh. And Armenian Prime Minister Pashinyan is pursuing the "correct" policy aimed at breaking off relations with Moscow.

    It is worth noting that the Americans actively support the version launched by Pashinyan that Russia is allegedly to blame for the loss of Karabakh, and not the Armenian Prime Minister himself, who sold out the unrecognized republic behind the back of the people.

    Armenia never recognised Navgorno Kharabak as a part of Armenia, so they did not lose anything.
    Russia offered to mediate many times when Armenia was in a position of strength and Armenia governments (including the ones before Pashinyan) always refused any compromise (but also refused to recognise the land as part of Armenia).
    The former residents of Kharabak should be extremely angry against their fellow ethnic Armenians and against the Armenian government, not against Russia.

    Anyway this starts to be a problem to be taken into account for Russia, because with the current situation the presence of Armenia in CSTO does not make sense anymore (and Russia will have to think about the two military bases in Armenia).

    Possibly Russia will have to consider abandoning Armenia. The result will be that Armenian will be happy about flirting with the declining west for a couple of years, until turkey will invade again (since Russia is not  there anymore) causing probably mass deportations and other foreseeable consequences.

    Then maybe after some other years Russia will get it back from Turkey, this time making it part of Russia (as it was before 1917) and inhabited by Russians,  persians and Russianised ethnic Armenians.

    I imagine the "recreation" of the following governatores/oblasts/ republics in the south Caucasus, sometimes in the next 15 years:

    Erevan oblast (including igdir, currently in turkey)
    Elizavetpol oblast (currently ganja in Azerbaijan)
    Baku oblast
    Baku federal city
    Kars oblast (currently in turkey)
    Artvin oblast  (currently in turkey)
    Ardaban oblast  (currently in turkey)
    Rise oblast  (currently in turkey)

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    Post  GarryB Sat Aug 03, 2024 6:28 am

    Or maybe the Turks will be forceful but fair and respect the rights of Armenians and Russia will have no reason to try to take the territory back.

    Perhaps even the west will allow Armenia to join the EU which will piss the Turks off so much they might leave HATO and fully commit to BRICS and turn their back on the back stabbing west for good.

    They will be getting all sorts of promises in their ears from the west suggesting Russia is in their way of making lots of money pumping oil and gas from the stans to Europe to Turkey, and other such nonsense.

    As mentioned how can Armenia be unhappy with Russia for not protecting a region they didn't recognise themselves... crazy stuff.

    I am sure the US will make them happy, because they are good for all the tiny countries they control and manipulate... ask Ukraine.
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    Post  sepheronx Sat Oct 05, 2024 5:27 pm

    🇦🇲🇺🇸 Armenian and American servicemen are increasing cooperation in the security sphere. The number of joint tactical maneuvers is growing, which can be seen from the number of our publications in this regard over the past year.

    And recently, a new field exercise was held to assess Armenia’s capabilities and response mechanisms to the spread of chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear threats, in which 10 government agencies were involved.

    📌 Let's even leave aside the fact that the main source of such threats, in the conditional elimination of the consequences of which Armenian servicemen participated, is precisely the American leadership.

    What is important is that Armenia still has not withdrawn from the CSTO , and this imposes obligations.

    Earlier, Nikol Pashinyan called the CSTO the main source of threat to Armenia’s national security, so the training to eliminate chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear threats takes on new colors.

    🔻The fact is that this does not bode well for either Russia or the region as a whole. And the situation is such that the CSTO is once again inactive, although the example of the Central Asian countries has already shown that a herbivorous policy in our time is not just ineffective, but even destructive.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Oct 06, 2024 4:09 am

    Armenia has to make its own decisions and its own choices.

    Russia punishing them will just push them away faster, but at the end of the day the US is a slippery shyster who pretends to have all the solutions and promises of peace and safety and riches... all you have to do is kill the bear next door for them and they will shower you in wealth...

    Don't question where that wealth is coming from or what your chances of success might be, because you just need to look at the Ukraine... one of the biggest armed forces in europe with an addition 300-400 billion dollars pumped into them with weapons and armour and ammo and aircraft and how are they looking?

    I would say not as bad as the Gaza strip, but the Russians are not fighting a war of extermination like the Israelis are.

    Talk to Turkey about the morality of European countries... a group they were so desperate to join not that long ago... they got a lot of concessions from Sweden to get their approval to join HATO... but once they were in how far did the concessions continue?

    If the people of Armenia are happy to blame Russia for everything and accept no responsibility at all for anything that has happened then the path they are following has historical precedents... the Germans with Nazism blamed Jews for their problems and the Ukrainians blamed the Russians for their problems... if we look at the results you have to ask yourself is that a sensible and productive and useful direction to take... because putting yourself on a collision course with a direct neighbour... or eventually a direct neighbour is very short sighted if they are bigger and more powerful than you. Even more so for Armenia and the Ukraine when they are being directed by a country nice and safe on the other side of the planet who is not sending their soldiers to die on the front line for you.
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    Post  sepheronx Sun Oct 06, 2024 7:09 am

    I'm not sure what you mean about not cutting them off not to speed up the process of anti Russian sentiment.

    The issue here is that Armenia will abuse Russia to get the most out of it while working against it. So Armenia wins all in that ordeal. The best method is to put heavy pressure on them and to prove the US can't help them and then they will put pressure on Shitstaynian, the leader, to oust him to get better relations with Russia.

    Look at Georgia. Russia destroyed them, got 2 pieces of land out of them, put pressure on them, and now they want to work with Russia in long run again.

    The method of doing nothing but continue to pretend everything is normal, is what got Russia into the mess that is Ukraine right now. The US was able to get brothers and sisters to kill each other.

    I really don't think you are seeing the long term effects.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sun Oct 06, 2024 11:30 am

    sepheronx wrote:I'm not sure what you mean about not cutting them off not to speed up the process of anti Russian sentiment.

    The issue here is that Armenia will abuse Russia to get the most out of it while working against it.  So Armenia wins all in that ordeal.  The best method is to put heavy pressure on them and to prove the US can't help them and then they will put pressure on Shitstaynian, the leader, to oust him to get better relations with Russia.

    Look at Georgia. Russia destroyed them, got 2 pieces of land out of them, put pressure on them, and now they want to work with Russia in long run again.

    The method of doing nothing but continue to pretend everything is normal, is what got Russia into the mess that is Ukraine right now. The US was able to get brothers and sisters to kill each other.

    I really don't think you are seeing the long term effects.

    Well, in Georgia the current government is ready to work with Russia again, but the majority of the population is not. (In Armenia it was the opposite, at least before being brainwashed by Pashinyan).

    Concerning Georgia Russia is now paying also many errors done at the time of the russian empire and soviet union(including the cancellation of the autonomy of their orthodox church) and I believe that the anti Stalin propaganda after 1953 had also disastrous consequences.

    Of course the worst was due to the war in the 90s after the fall of soviet union. For Armenia the war in the 90s had at least an advantageous outcome, but they never managed to translate properly, due to stupid political decisions.

    As far as Ukraine, actually Russia had tolerated too much after 1991. They continued to waste there a lot of money for decades (we are talking about at least 15 billions USD each year) even when the country was getting little by little hijacked by the CIA.

    As far as Armenia, it has very little to offer to Russia at the moment.

    Yes, would be better for Russia to have good relationships with them instead of having another nest of CIA terrorists near to their borders, but it is not worth to get in their knees and beg for it.

    Russia can still get back the land after Turkey and Azerbaijan will have finishes destroying what is left of Armenian statehood.

    This time however Armenians (and Azeri) will have less autonomy than Chechens or Bashkirians.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Oct 07, 2024 5:26 am

    Russia should not bribe or bully or threaten Armenia, if they government they elected wants to see what sort of concessions and bonuses they can get from the west then let them do that... but such friendly freebies are never free... look at Georgia... they are not by any means pro Russia or pro Putin, but some of their interests do not match the interests of the west, and you could say the same about the Ukraine... before the Maiden coup the Ukraine as not pro Russian or even very Russian friendly, but of the economic packages being offered at the time they chose the Russian package because it was more generous and more beneficial to the Ukraine... and it wasn't an exclusive deal so they could also accept investments from China at the same time. The western offer was the EU deal and not the Russian or the Chinese offer at the same time.

    Russia didn't bully Georgia, but eventually the economic consequences of the loss of ties and trade and tourism and relations from Russia and the lack of a replacement from the west who are not interested in buying from more countries, meant they ended up realising that they don't need to be best buddies with Russia but good trading relations is financially beneficial to them, while the cost of making them an enemy will be significant in terms of how much they would need to spend on "defence", and western military equipment is very very expensive.

    The issue here is that Armenia will abuse Russia to get the most out of it while working against it.

    Which is why Russia should remain civil but not chase after the current pro west government in the country.

    Honestly if the people hate Russia and the government hate Russia and blame Russia for all their problems, why does Russia need Armenia?

    Azerbaijan and Turkey and Iran have all proven to be able to reach agreements with Russia and while they are not best buddies there can be cooperation and trade where both sides make a profit and grow and develop.

    Armenia doesn't seem to know what it wants and blames Russia for all of its problems...

    The best method is to put heavy pressure on them and to prove the US can't help them and then they will put pressure on Shitstaynian, the leader, to oust him to get better relations with Russia.

    Putting pressure on them will just push them away, and regime change is a western thing... there is no point in changing government if the people are just going to elect something similar later on.

    Look at Georgia. Russia destroyed them, got 2 pieces of land out of them, put pressure on them, and now they want to work with Russia in long run again.

    The people in Georgia are smart enough to know that western support is temporary, while Russia being their big neighbour to the north is permanent...

    Russia responded to Georgian aggression and did not enact regime change like a western government might in that situation.

    The method of doing nothing but continue to pretend everything is normal, is what got Russia into the mess that is Ukraine right now.

    Ukraine and the US and UK and EU and the Biden family and the Clinton family is what got Ukraine into its current position.

    Russia isn't going to bully the EU into better relations, they are just accepting the EU cutting themselves off from Russia and turning to the rest of the world to fill the gap that they left. In the future when the EU realises it hurt itself more than it hurt Russia they might want better relations, but Russia will be trading with the rest of the world and might do a little trade with the west, but it wont be a focus or a priority. Russia wants good relations with everyone, but it wont beg or grovel or get down on its knees to trade with anyone.

    Eventually, like Georgia and Slovakia and Hungary, the countries like Armenia and Finland and Sweden and other countries in the EU will come to their senses and grow up a little... or maybe they wont... it doesn't matter much for Russia because Russia will be trading with countries and making money and helping the countries it does trade to grow and develop and improve their quality of life.

    The US was able to get brothers and sisters to kill each other.

    It was, and that is easy, but what is its future? Death and destruction means profit for the US MIC, but for the countries, they are promised victory and comfort and becoming part of the west... but when has that ever happened?

    And even when it does you give up your independence like Japan and Germany that are still occupied countries almost 80 years on.

    They don't seem to be living the American dream either.

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