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    Post  kvs Mon Jul 15, 2024 11:44 pm

    The US is the grips of a mass media induced psychosis. Just like Germany in the 1930s. Exactly the same. All these lemmings running around calling Trump far
    right are total meat-heads. I have been following Trump as a celebrity (by osmosis) since the 1980s. He was never right wing. He is an old style Democrat.
    The current Democrats have left the sanity reservation. Anyone who thinks the Democrats are leftists is detached from reality. They are Sodomite freaks who are
    more than likely being used to lubricate the advent of a fascist makeover for the USA.

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    Post  Backman Tue Jul 16, 2024 1:36 am

    Investigators found a transmitter on the shooter and a receiver with possible explosives in his car.

    Authorities are examining if the shooter planned to use the explosives as a distraction. - CNN

    This has all the hallmarks of the agencies dressing the shooter up as a proper villain. Comic book stuff designed for normy consumption.

    For those who aren't sure what to believe , what do think of this ? The detonator and transmitter.

    For the record , the regular authorities or media aren't in on it. There was probably a device on the shooter. For the regular authorities to find.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Tue Jul 16, 2024 6:30 am

    Backman wrote:Investigators found a transmitter on the shooter and a receiver with possible explosives in his car.

    Authorities are examining if the shooter planned to use the explosives as a distraction. - CNN

    This has all the hallmarks of the agencies dressing the shooter up as a proper villain. Comic book stuff designed for normy consumption.

    For those who aren't sure what to believe , what do think of this ? The detonator and transmitter.

    For the record , the regular authorities or media aren't in on it. There was probably a device on the shooter. For the regular authorities to find.

    Delusional, if say the CIA was behind it they would know there was no chance of him getting away, they wouldn't give him explosives and a detonator, also it's not saying what they found in terms of actual materials.

    Also again if the government was behind it he wouldn't have missed a kindergarten level shot
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    Post  Backman Tue Jul 16, 2024 8:56 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Backman wrote:Investigators found a transmitter on the shooter and a receiver with possible explosives in his car.

    Authorities are examining if the shooter planned to use the explosives as a distraction. - CNN

    This has all the hallmarks of the agencies dressing the shooter up as a proper villain. Comic book stuff designed for normy consumption.

    For those who aren't sure what to believe , what do think of this ? The detonator and transmitter.

    For the record , the regular authorities or media aren't in on it. There was probably a device on the shooter. For the regular authorities to find.

    Delusional, if say the CIA was behind it they would know there was no chance of him getting away, they wouldn't give him explosives and a detonator, also it's not saying what they found in terms of actual materials.

    Also again if the government was behind it he wouldn't have missed a kindergarten level shot

    The CIA gave him a transmitter prop for investigators to find. It goes good with the normie publics view of what a bad guy is. You know, terrorism.

    You can tell that the investigators found the transmitter but no explosives. And they are not sure how to communicate this to the public. Which is why the quote reads as follows:

    Investigators found a transmitter on the shooter and a receiver with possible explosives in his car.

    And it wasn't a kindergarten level shot. But even if it was. The whole story is a big half truth. It was some loner retard. But who led the loner retard along and got him to where he is hitting former presidents with bullets ?

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    Post  PhSt Tue Jul 16, 2024 9:11 am

    What do you folks think of this?

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    Post  GarryB Tue Jul 16, 2024 3:14 pm

    The US funds idiots and psychopaths around the world for this sort of attack... often they don't care if it succeeds or fails because the perpetrator almost always dies because they often shoot him themselves.

    There is a chance they will get the kill, but if they don't... who cares... they just have to succeed once.

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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Tue Jul 16, 2024 10:27 pm

    What happened was something to be expected. They have demonized him and obviously this was planned but a miracle happened. Trump is one of the few heroes of this 21st century, along with Putin.
    To the friends of the United States, who want their country to be a decent country someday, vote for Trump en masse.

    Separate point for Trump's strength. The guy is a beast. He has enviable health
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Tue Jul 16, 2024 10:30 pm

    ArgentinaGuard wrote:
    What happened was something to be expected. They have demonized him and obviously this was planned but a miracle happened. Trump is one of the few heroes of this 21st century, along with Putin.
    To the friends of the United States, who want their country to be a decent country someday, vote for Trump en masse.
    Note that Trump is not Pro Russian, pro multipolarity or anything like this. He just wants to strike a deal with Putin so that the US can focus on China. That's it.

    He'll betray Russia in a second once he senses that doing so is in his interest.

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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Tue Jul 16, 2024 10:36 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:
    ArgentinaGuard wrote:
    What happened was something to be expected. They have demonized him and obviously this was planned but a miracle happened. Trump is one of the few heroes of this 21st century, along with Putin.
    To the friends of the United States, who want their country to be a decent country someday, vote for Trump en masse.
    Note that Trump is not Pro Russian, pro multipolarity or anything like this. He just wants to strike a deal with Putin so that the US can focus on China. That's it.

    He'll betray Russia in a second once he senses that doing so is in his interest.

    You're wrong. Trump's admiration for Putin has always been manifest. And not to mention Russia. He recently said, "these guys beat Napoleon and Hitler, do you really think you're going to beat them?"
    Putin and Trump are conservative nationalists, both pragmatists. Anti-globalists. They will agree for mutual benefit.
    The China issue is complex, it is true, since Russia's alliance has strengthened
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    Post  Backman Tue Jul 16, 2024 11:43 pm

    There's some merit to this argument. Who's the shooter , who knows. Doesn't much matter but it's just interesting to see the minds of lies that they go with. This guy is more convincing visually as far as I can tell

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    Post  nomadski Wed Jul 17, 2024 10:55 am

    They said " ..He bought a 5 foot ladder and 50 Rounds on the day of shooting ! "  Even a house- Mom preparing thanksgiving dinner , will have more advanced planning ! They also said " ..he had explosives with transmitter / receiver remote control attached in his Van ! " So he did plan in advance ? The crowd reported seeing him with a long gun but no ladder . The ladder shown in photo is very long , much more than 5 foot ! And the Cherry on the Cake : The counter - sniper who took him out , confirmed he had shooter in his sight for a few minutes , but he was denied permission to open fire , until after the shooter opened fire !

    Some say Trump is pro - Russia , well it only makes a difference if he factually becomes President . And by the looks of this latest incident , his opponents , have no choice now but to try again . Or it is their heads on a plate , or it is the Horse's head in their bed . So watch this space . Even if he becomes President , and policy actually changes in Ukraine , that is if he accepted Russia's minimum terms , IE : withdrawal from four regions and no NATO membership , he more likely adopts hawkish policy towards Iran , with actual military involvement against it .

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    See already the deep state looking for fresh meat ! Sure the attacker looked like typical Iranian !

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    Post  GarryB Wed Jul 17, 2024 1:26 pm

    Insane luck?

    Tell that to the family of the dead guy...

    You can say Trump is pro putin, but he bragged about putting the most sanctions on Russia during his first term to avoid being called soft on Russia.

    The guy is an idiot and is easily controlled... just say he is Putins Puppet and he will sign a new sanctions list against Russia... weak as piss water.

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    Post  kvs Wed Jul 17, 2024 4:30 pm

    But he is still a better choice than Biden, who is actually a meat sock puppet for the clowns behind him. Although Americans don't have much of a
    choice in their pseudo-one-party "paragon of democracy".

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    Post  Kiko Wed Jul 17, 2024 6:41 pm

    Trump was almost destroyed by the unprofessionalism of the secret services, by Evgeniy Krutikov, military expert, for VZGLYAD. 07.17.2024.

    In Russia, it is simply impossible to imagine an uncovered roof as an ideal sniper position at events with the participation of top officials. On all such roofs, even the pigeons have at least the rank of captain. And here we have complete irresponsibility, multiplied by an all too broadly understood political and propaganda component.

    The assassination attempt on Donald Trump at a campaign rally in Pennsylvania caused not only obvious political consequences, but also a storm of emotions and clarifications about the behavior and professionalism/unprofessionalism of his state security. The showdown under the slogan "it's not my fault, it's not my fault" even happened within the Secret Service special forces. At the same time, Trump himself praised the Secret Service the next day for its "high professionalism", since they destroyed the terrorist with the "first shot". How many shots there actually were and who shot whom - this will be determined by an internal investigation. But putting aside the frankly conspiracy theories, we can try to figure out how this happened from a technical point of view.

    It all looks like yesterday's average provincial student took his father's rifle, took a good position and tried to shoot a US presidential candidate. And no one stopped him. They say he was not accepted into the school shooting club because of his very poor results (the bespectacled guy was just a bad shot, but in Pennsylvania everyone shoots, so he tried too). And if he had shot better, he had no chance of missing from 150 meters with a heavy rifle from a hill in a straight line without interference.

    It must be said that all attempts to justify themselves by security and law enforcement agencies are cleverly reduced to shifting responsibility to the neighbor. The Secret Service hints that the local police should have checked the area and monitored it. The Sheriff's Department says that it checked everything and even notified some Secret Service officer about a "suspicious character." The officer says that he tried to approach the man on the roof, but the man pointed a rifle at him, and the officer retreated because he did not have a weapon with him. This is their protocol for behavior. The anti-sniper says that he held the terrorist at gunpoint for more than 40 seconds, but did not receive permission to shoot from the commanding officer. At the top of this pyramid are anonymous reports that Trump's security reported in advance to the Secret Service about incoming threats, but the Treasury Department (the SS is administratively and historically part of the financial department) refused to strengthen security, since hundreds of such threats are received, and the budget is not elastic.

    All of this is material for an internal investigation, and in the end, this is an American internal affair. But from the outside, several fundamental, not situational, mistakes are visible, which were made by everyone responsible for Trump’s protection: the Secret Service, the local police, and his private security service.

    Let's start with the choice of location. It is possible that there are not many areas in this locality where such an event can be held outdoors. Outdoors, because there are definitely no buildings of the required capacity there. Well, then hold it in an open field, but why build a podium in a vacant lot surrounded on three sides by uncontrolled buildings? The Secret Service, which Trump has for life as a former president, and Trump's personal security, which, in theory, should be integrated into his campaign headquarters, should have been jointly responsible for this. These functions may have different views on the choice of location, but they were simply obliged by their position to inspect the territory in advance and say a categorical "no."

    But perhaps someone dug in their heels (at Trump's headquarters or at the local mayor's office) and insisted on this location. But then there was an option: it was possible to place security posts (not just anti-snipers) at all the points that a potential terrorist could choose. Put yourself in the shoes of a future sniper and pump up the location, which was something that Secret Service professionals, who themselves are sniper-killers by their first profession and know how to do. The young shooter did not show any miracles of tactical training: he chose the only roof of a barn available to him, right opposite the podium. If a Secret Service employee (or anyone else) had been sitting there on that roof, he would not have been able to climb up there, and the performance would not have taken place.

    Trump's personal security was not visible at all. You could say that this is a good thing, since uniform large men in dark suits and glasses should not be conspicuous, distract the attention of the press and generally build up tension. The excessive presence of this kind of security makes the average person nervous, who is also a voter. And he absolutely must not be nervous.

    But the security function should not be lost due to such political circumstances. And in any security group there are specially trained people with keen eyesight who scan the crowd and the surrounding area with their eyes. In fact, they wear glasses with tinted lenses not for show, but so that their pupils cannot be tracked - where they are looking at the moment. They should be located on the same line with the person being protected or slightly behind him, but they must look in the same direction as him. Only in this position can they notice in advance the preparation for something unpleasant - be it a sniper on the roof or a lady in the front row with a can of paint. In addition to them, there should have been people in civilian clothes in the crowd itself, who would also have a chance to notice at an early stage a strange long-haired guy with a rifle.

    Third. The sheriff's department wasn't exactly sabotaging, but it was strangely calm about everything. If they noticed someone with a rifle, they should have immediately "turned on the alarm" to the point of canceling or postponing the event, since it was hard to imagine that the guy had come to hunt deer. But most likely, the Secret Service immediately announced that they were in charge, and the local police were rednecks and hillbillies. As a result, the sheriff's people shifted all responsibility to the Secret Service just when the countdown was already going on, if not by seconds, then definitely by minutes. And the Secret Service, in turn, thought for a long time whether to shoot or not, since, again, you never know. What if a local kid really is waiting for deer. Or he has a paintball rifle. And now we "neutralize" him, and that's a big scandal. Maybe they thought the decision was up to Trump's personal security detail, which is essentially part of his campaign staff?

    That is, candidate Donald Trump can praise the Secret Service and other special agencies as much as he wants after the fact - this is correct in any case, since these people did their job, and we will continue to cooperate with them. But fundamentally, several mistakes were made at the stage of planning the event and organizing its security. Ideally, a joint headquarters is formed a day or two before the event, which will be engaged in building a security scheme. This is not improvisation, but headquarters work with maps on the ground. And during this, all vulnerable positions should have been identified - both for shooting and for a possible breakthrough of outsiders to the stage and even throwing an improvised explosive device.

    And here at least one, but ideal, sniper position was not identified, as well as no preventive measures were taken to cover this position. In general, it is very difficult to talk about the professionalism of the special services employees who left the roof of the building opposite open. Partial responsibility should lie with the commanding officer, since he is responsible for the territory being cleared in advance, even if this is formally the responsibility of the sheriff. In the end, they will still ask the one who is declared the commanding officer. And if you saw a person with a weapon, then the decision must be made instantly.

    There was no operational monitoring of the situation. It can be assumed that the security was not properly deployed because in that case they would be caught on TV cameras and would attract too much attention to themselves, which is unacceptable for political and propaganda reasons. And standing below at the level of the first line of spectators, they were physically unable to notice what was happening on the roof opposite.

    There was no management system built in advance and no distribution of powers between different groups and departments. And if such a distribution of powers was carried out, then somehow in such a way that in order to make a decision to fire, it was necessary to go through three instances, one of which was political.

    All of this is a gross mistake by all security services and each one separately. And it is so gross that it is unclear how they pass the re-certification. In Russia, it is simply impossible to imagine an uncovered roof as an ideal sniper position at events with the participation of top officials. On all such roofs, even pigeons have at least the rank of captain. And here we have complete irresponsibility, multiplied by an overly broadly understood political and propaganda component. And all this is at the level of planning and preparation, that is, the problem is systemic, not situational.

    https://vz.ru/opinions/2024/7/17/1277793.html

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    So cool !

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    Post  Backman Thu Jul 18, 2024 3:30 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Sujoy wrote:Video from the event shows that Secret Service snipers were already pointing their rifles at the shooter, but didn’t see him getting into position? But then eliminated him within seconds after he fired?

    Also the bullet fired by the assassin would have ripped Trump's ear, but it just managed a scratch?

    1. They might have been pointing the guns in his general direction but he was protected by a slanted roof, it basically shielded him from view until he popped his head out, they didn't know he was there until he went to try and line up the shot, he could see the sniper team from where he was, so in panic he just fired quickly and then they killed him.

    2. No they didn't see, only civilians saw who told some local cops who seemed to ignore it, why I don't know again, there are a few reasons they where looking in that direction, commotion attracting their attention etc, as people where waving trying to warn them.

    3. The building he was on was outside the perimeter, granted it shouldn't have been it was a perfect elevated angle, it should have been secured. Which again goes into the SS Sniper Team couldn't notice him until he peaked out because he was more elevated then them with cover

    Mistakes where for sure made here no doubt, the SS did make errors so did the cops, but the sniper team acted correctly. But its been decades since something like this happened in the states so chances are some people just got a bit to careless.

    But mistakes do not mean the CIA wanted him dead, Trump even has president cannot touch them, they have no reason to want him dead. He has never even done anything to harm or said anything to give the CIA reasons for that.

    Long story this isnt some deep state propaganda thing, just a guy who wanted another guy dead and mistakes made gave him the chance to do.

    Hilarious.

    What is the big deal anyway? The establishment made it clear to Trump that he's an unacceptable candidate.

    Why wouldn't the govt exercise a permanent solution to the Trump problem like this ? An easy one at that if that's what you believe.

    Especially when everyday people like yourself and some others in this thread wouldn't suspect a thing anyway ?

    It will probably happen again. And they don't even care how believable or not that it is. Just like Nord Stream fucking 2.

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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Jul 18, 2024 4:40 am

    PhSt wrote:What do you folks think of this?


    This guy can totally see the future and knows all that will happen, we should listen to him about EVERYTHING lol1 lol1

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    Post  Backman Thu Jul 18, 2024 9:02 am

    The transmitter. Of course he was fiddling with that 9 volt battery just like in the movies

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    Post  Backman Thu Jul 18, 2024 11:33 am

    Not sure what to make it this one

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    Post  GarryB Thu Jul 18, 2024 2:22 pm

    But he is still a better choice than Biden, who is actually a meat sock puppet for the clowns behind him.

    I agree, and he was the better choice over Hillary in the previous election too, but I would not say he is good for Russia.

    The US is still Russias enemy and while it continues to demand to be exceptional and will not cooperate or negotiate then it really does not matter who is in power in the US because no agreements could be relied upon.

    The trust is gone and there is no respect either.

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    Post  Backman Thu Jul 18, 2024 2:39 pm

    Police snipers were inside the building that the shooter was on top of.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2024/07/16/trump-assassination-attempt-three-police-snipers-were-reportedly-inside-building-where-gunman-fired-from/

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    Post  nomadski Thu Jul 18, 2024 3:35 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    But he is still a better choice than Biden, who is actually a meat sock puppet for the clowns behind him.

    I agree, and he was the better choice over Hillary in the previous election too, but I would not say he is good for Russia.

    The US is still Russias enemy and while it continues to demand to be exceptional and will not cooperate or negotiate then it really does not matter who is in power in the US because no agreements could be relied upon.

    The trust is gone and there is no respect either.

    Agree , but the situation now is so bad in the world , that a change at the top , even if seemingly unimportant , might give even marginal advances and progress . Trump may improve slightly situation in Ukraine and for Russia , but he probably will worsen the situation in ME with Iran , and China policy will not change much ? Prepare for the worst , hope for slightly less catastrophic !

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